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08-23-2012 01:39 PM
Tim_ho This is an ad that didn't have a picture with it. But I had them text me a picture. Needless to say the quality of the picture was severally lacking. But from what I could see it looked okay. I can try and load the picture later this evening. I asked them if they had taken it offroad and they said it never has been.

Is there anything that I need to look for with the lift? What kind of changes need to be made when bigger tires and a lift are added? If these changes are not made what consequences are there? Is there a way for me to check for it?

1998 Jeep Wrangler Sport
08-22-2012 10:24 PM
Tim_ho Turns out the Green Sahara is already sold. The Blue 06 had little odds and ends things that needed some work and the deal breaker was that it was previously in an accident.
08-22-2012 08:31 PM
Tim_ho How does this one look?
2006 jeep wrangler tj
08-22-2012 07:29 PM
kefaragon
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Originally Posted by Tim_ho View Post
how is the 4 cyl. compared to the I-E 6? I have specifically been avoiding the 4. In the future I would like to be able to haul maybe a quad, bike, or boat. But in the near future I will only by commuting with it.
Hauling with a 4 cyl would be rough. The 4 cyl jeeps are strange. Mine has plenty of power and I go 70+ on the interstate, another guy at work has a newer / less milage 4 cyl and he has to down shift all the time and has a hard time even keeping his 4 cyl above 60 mph.

I do some minor hauling, I have a john boat with a 15 HP on the back and my 4 banger pulls that just fine. I also have a small trailer that I load wood / deer / random junk but never more than a few hundred pounds. Anything more than minor hauling and you will need the 6 cyl and some of the 4 cyl I have been in couldnt haul anything.
08-22-2012 07:09 PM
T2000J If you are going to pull a trailer I wold look for a I6. Even with regearing the 4 pulling a trailer would be hard on that motor . It will do just hard on it
08-22-2012 06:39 PM
Tim_ho
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Originally Posted by kefaragon View Post
The more I look the more I think I hit the jackpot with my TJ.

I saw it listed on my works post board.

Its a 1997 four banger but the guy I bought it from was an aircraft mecanic so he put some work into it and it seems to have more power than the average 4 cyl. (I go up and down interstate hills at 70+ MPH). When I got it it had 126k and the engine looked like I could eat off it. Over 10,000 miles later and its still running like a top.

The best part is I only paid $3,350 for it!
how is the 4 cyl. compared to the I-E 6? I have specifically been avoiding the 4. In the future I would like to be able to haul maybe a quad, bike, or boat. But in the near future I will only by commuting with it.
08-22-2012 06:31 PM
4wheelin
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Originally Posted by Tim_ho
How are automatics compared to manuals? I would really prefer a manual but it seems that there are more automatics available.
This choice is a matter of preference. Do a search on this forum, and you will see varied responses. Bottom line, buy what you like. If you know you are going to do certain things with your jeep, look at what those folks do and see what kind of transmissions they use.

Personally, I bought a stick because that's what I wanted. I live in MD where there isn't much rock climbing to do, so you have to drive a few hours out to get somewhere to play. I've had mine for a year now and have not had time or money to go on rock climbing trails. I play in mud where I can find it legally, and can go where most can't when we get snow storms. Nice to drive in with the top down!
08-22-2012 06:07 PM
kefaragon The more I look the more I think I hit the jackpot with my TJ.

I saw it listed on my works post board.

Its a 1997 four banger but the guy I bought it from was an aircraft mecanic so he put some work into it and it seems to have more power than the average 4 cyl. (I go up and down interstate hills at 70+ MPH). When I got it it had 126k and the engine looked like I could eat off it. Over 10,000 miles later and its still running like a top.

The best part is I only paid $3,350 for it!
08-22-2012 05:48 PM
Tim_ho How are automatics compared to manuals? I would really prefer a manual but it seems that there are more automatics available.
08-22-2012 03:43 PM
Dextreme
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Originally Posted by Tim_ho View Post
Thats a good price for I6 even with 141K...something tells me something is not being fully stated or its going to be sold immediately. Plus the milage does not go up when being flat towed...so something is not right.
08-22-2012 03:37 PM
4wheelin Mea culpa. Should have stated the link with the word sahara in it :-)
Meant to state the 2000 green sahara that you posted. I'll try to be more precise next time.

For your last post- yeah, lots of miles on that one (98 Sahara). No way to truly tell if it's been towed for most of the miles it has.
08-22-2012 01:57 AM
Tim_ho I really appreciate all of the feedback guys. I just emailed the Green Jeep and will hopefully be able to look at it in the next day or two if it is still available. What about this next one? I am a little leery about the number of miles and how old it is. I would really prefer something 2000 or above.

98 Jeep Wrangler Sahara
08-21-2012 10:55 PM
coyote99
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Originally Posted by JDsDream View Post
My concern with the white one is that even if it has a D44 rear, the stock gearing is 3.73. Unless it has been regeared, that diff is going to be strained turning those wheels and tires. That aside, a body lift over 2" is going to change the center or gravity quite a bit making it a lot less stable. Has the speedo been recalibrated? Tummy tuck? etc.



If it has the sentry system, the key will be grey. Non-sentry keys are black.
The Dana 44 rear w/3.73 is better than a 35 w/3.73, Besides the tires are what strain the axle as well as a smaller pinion from a lower gearing, which 3.73 is not. So 3.73 is not going to strain the Diff regardless and unless he's running over 40's that 44 will be fine and can be beefed up more successfully than the 35. Also my sentry key is green.
08-21-2012 10:35 PM
JDsDream
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Originally Posted by coyote99 View Post
Well both seem comparable and they are both sahara models, for me it would be the rear axle that determines it, if one has the 44 then it's an easy choice. The issue I have is the one ad is so short and doesn't mention it's a Sahara so how much does he really know or care about it, it also has a little rust on the tire carrier but no biggie. He's also in a rush to sell but that isn't always a bad thing. Since he doesn't seem to know much about it, I would inspect it thoroughly, look for the Dana 44, if it has it don't say anything about it, find small issues with it, and if he is in a hurry to sell, offer him 7500 and see where it goes.
My concern with the white one is that even if it has a D44 rear, the stock gearing is 3.73. Unless it has been regeared, that diff is going to be strained turning those wheels and tires. That aside, a body lift over 2" is going to change the center or gravity quite a bit making it a lot less stable. Has the speedo been recalibrated? Tummy tuck? etc.

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Those pics reminded me to warn you to look at the key immobilizer, if you look in the upper left of the dash pic of the white one you will see a circle and key symbol, that should light up momentarily when starting and the plastic part of the key should be thicker where a chip could fit inside. A buddy of mine bought a jeep and when I looked at it after he bought it I realized his key was just a copy and then looked and someone had ripped out and disabled the immobilizer, and that symbol didn't light up on his dash when starting
If it has the sentry system, the key will be grey. Non-sentry keys are black.
08-21-2012 10:29 PM
Dextreme I too like the Green one if you can get it closer to $8.5K-9K...its clean and the owner took pride in it. The white one is iffy and I think worth closer to $7500ish.
08-21-2012 09:26 PM
coyote99 Those pics reminded me to warn you to look at the key immobilizer, if you look in the upper left of the dash pic of the white one you will see a circle and key symbol, that should light up momentarily when starting and the plastic part of the key should be thicker where a chip could fit inside. A buddy of mine bought a jeep and when I looked at it after he bought it I realized his key was just a copy and then looked and someone had ripped out and disabled the immobilizer, and that symbol didn't light up on his dash when starting
08-21-2012 09:17 PM
coyote99 Well both seem comparable and they are both sahara models, for me it would be the rear axle that determines it, if one has the 44 then it's an easy choice. The issue I have is the one ad is so short and doesn't mention it's a Sahara so how much does he really know or care about it, it also has a little rust on the tire carrier but no biggie. He's also in a rush to sell but that isn't always a bad thing. Since he doesn't seem to know much about it, I would inspect it thoroughly, look for the Dana 44, if it has it don't say anything about it, find small issues with it, and if he is in a hurry to sell, offer him 7500 and see where it goes.
08-21-2012 09:10 PM
JDsDream They're both Saharas. The Green (second one) looks like a better option to me. I would be concerned about what has been done to the white one. It states that it has 17" wheels and a body lift. No mention of tire size, but I imagine that the BL has to be over 2 inches to be able to accomodate them. I also noticed that it has a stock spare wheel and tire. These are just a couple of things that jump out from the limited info that is given.
08-21-2012 08:26 PM
4wheelin
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Originally Posted by Tim_ho
I just got approved for $9k from the bank and I'm planning on putting down at least another $1.5k. My goal is to find something for the right price and quality in the next two weeks, without rushing of course. Here are two that I found, any thoughts?

2000 Jeep Wrangler
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sahara
Just from the pics, I would look at the Sahara. From the pics, looks like it's been taken care of. I'm guessing you know what to look for ( rust, leaks, etc...), so I won't mention it all here.
08-21-2012 08:08 PM
Tim_ho I just got approved for $9k from the bank and I'm planning on putting down at least another $1.5k. My goal is to find something for the right price and quality in the next two weeks, without rushing of course. Here are two that I found, any thoughts?

2000 Jeep Wrangler
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sahara
08-21-2012 06:24 PM
Shoe Just because they ask too much for a jeep doesn't mean they won't settle for a lot less. get your money straightened out and start making offers based on what the jeep is really worth instead of some inflated asking price. Sooner or later someone will be ready to sell for the right price if you have the money in hand.
08-21-2012 05:20 PM
4wheelin I looked in autotrader real quick - Seattle, Yakima, Olympia, using private sellers only. Seems the demand for jeeps in this area is rather strong, so prices are higher than other areas. Majority of these found are already lifted, etc...

If you have family in another town that can search for you, I would ask them for help.

Check into one of the jeep groups in your area. They are going to provide a wealth of information too (where to shop, etc) Some might even help look at the jeep when you are already to make a purchase to help give you a hand to make sure you dont get burned. Beer is the usual customary payment.

Good luck!
08-21-2012 04:26 PM
Dextreme
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Originally Posted by T2000J View Post
If your going to spend that kind of money I would be looking for a rubi. even if I have to go out of state to get it
I agree. I don't think that is the best example for $10K lol.... Nice clean TJ with low miles, but way too much.
08-21-2012 04:17 PM
T2000J
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Originally Posted by McDaniel View Post
just a quick e-bay search. here is an example. I dont like the K & N under the hood but it looks stock. It may have a Dana 44 axle.

Jeep : Wrangler WE FINANCE!! in Jeep | eBay Motors

Point is you can find them, Now if you could find a private party.
If your going to spend that kind of money I would be looking for a rubi. even if I have to go out of state to get it
08-21-2012 04:07 PM
McDaniel just a quick e-bay search. here is an example. I dont like the K & N under the hood but it looks stock. It may have a Dana 44 axle.

Jeep : Wrangler WE FINANCE!! in Jeep | eBay Motors

Point is you can find them, Now if you could find a private party.
08-21-2012 03:27 PM
Dextreme
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Originally Posted by Tim_ho View Post
Thanks for all the input guys. I'm waiting to hear back from the bank on a loan, but I should be able to get it. I have been told that I will probably have to put some money because the market for them around here are higher than they are actually worth. I am looking at about $8k-10k range. After last weekend I am pretty turned off of car lots. I will definitely post some links as I start finding some that I am interested in.

Are there any strong opinions on the Sahara trim? I found several of those on craigslist but don't really know much about them besides they're a little more luxurious.
That price range should get you into a 97-00 I6 from a private party seller. The Sahara has green seats, painted flairs and a Sahara sticker. I believe some Sahara's may have come with a D44 rear if the original owner ordered it....but likely it's the typical D35.
08-21-2012 03:18 PM
Tim_ho Thanks for all the input guys. I'm waiting to hear back from the bank on a loan, but I should be able to get it. I have been told that I will probably have to put some money because the market for them around here are higher than they are actually worth. I am looking at about $8k-10k range. After last weekend I am pretty turned off of car lots. I will definitely post some links as I start finding some that I am interested in.

Are there any strong opinions on the Sahara trim? I found several of those on craigslist but don't really know much about them besides they're a little more luxurious.
08-21-2012 02:47 PM
Dextreme
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Originally Posted by Tim_ho View Post
I figure if I get one without a lift and pretty basic tires then I raise the chances that it hasn't been taken on some "real" roads yet.
Regarding the D44's and your criteria stated.... unless you get a Rubicon, odds are high that it will have a D35. Not a big deal until you decide you want a rear locker and/or 33+" tires.
08-21-2012 02:32 PM
Rolf
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Originally Posted by coyote99
For the identifying the 44, the shape and size of the pumpkin is different, but the easiest way to tell is the fill plug on the back cover, a rubber plug is the 35, the 44 has an actual metal bolt plug, you should be able to find comparison pictures on here somewhere so you have an idea of what you are looking at
Yes the shape of the D44 looks like a slighty skew stop sign while the D35 is oval.
08-21-2012 02:21 PM
coyote99 For the identifying the 44, the shape and size of the pumpkin is different, but the easiest way to tell is the fill plug on the back cover, a rubber plug is the 35, the 44 has an actual metal bolt plug, you should be able to find comparison pictures on here somewhere so you have an idea of what you are looking at
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