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03-15-2014 01:14 AM
ChasUGC
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Originally Posted by Apocalypticsurf6 View Post
Awesome to hear things from another perspective. I can completely understand most of that considering I grew up being in an out of Newark, NJ on a regular basis. My point was only that at least from my experience, the audio manufacturers did have some good reasons for eliminating the detachable faceplate on those specific models. Not sticking up for them by any means, just providing what knowledge I have on the situation.
I respect your opinion. I really like your class in discussing this issue. I'm sure you must agree that most manufacturers consider profit first. Business comes first. If a Chinese or Japanese car stereo can create a removable faceplate with all the modern options, do you believe that an American made product could not? Of course it could, because the most ingenious people come to America for freedom, to create and profit from their creations. Everyone wants to live the American dream.

So, why don't more manufacturers care about audio stereo security? Heck, why don't they build tracking devices into their stereo's? You power up the stereo, it tracks you. I'll tell you why. The technology is clearly there. But, it would hurt the business sales. The drug users are helping car stereo sales.

It's similar to why we don't convert to electric cars, or even air car engines. Because, it would hurt profits for the oil industry. So, we continue to destroy our planet for profit.

Imagine a Jeep built to use air instead of gas. Who could touch it? We could drive through nature and off-road with little foot print. Much like an Elephant. No pollution. But the oil bureaucracies will never allow it. Imagine a 4x4 air engine Jeep. Cut out that grey area around the vehicle below and put on air shocks, off road tires, and let's go climb some rocks. These vehicles are really light too. Great rock climbers.

Compressed air car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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03-14-2014 09:35 AM
Apocalypticsurf6 Awesome to hear things from another perspective. I can completely understand most of that considering I grew up being in an out of Newark, NJ on a regular basis. My point was only that at least from my experience, the audio manufacturers did have some good reasons for eliminating the detachable faceplate on those specific models. Not sticking up for them by any means, just providing what knowledge I have on the situation.
03-14-2014 02:28 AM
ChasUGC
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Originally Posted by Apocalypticsurf6 View Post
Chas thats really not why they did that. I worked as a mobile audio salesman and installer for many years, including the years when these products first hit the market. The reason they stopped making detachable faceplates for the motorized units is because at best you could only make half of the face detachable and because it was so small it was very weak and broke often. On top of that it didn't deter anyone. Since the edge of the screen was still exposed it was obvious to the thieves that the in dash unit is of high value. They would still steal it and then just go to different audio stores until they found the same one on the wall and just steal the corresponding faceplate. It became such an issue we started to glue the faceplates on with CA glue and then would just junk the unit when it came off the wall. All manufacturers still make detachable faceplates for standard single din headunits because they are large enough to be of solid construction but still run the risk of premature failure if you detach it often because the contacts wear out. Thats why I dont remove mine. Even the vibrations from the car cause a lot of wear on these connections. This is why I installed my radio in such a way that the theif would need to dismantle the entire dash and then remove 6 screws holding the radio in place. There are other ways to prevent theft as well if you like but thats enough for me. After all my radio I have now was just over $100, so im not too worried.
Thank you very much for your opinion, and I do respect it. But, I have lived inside and outside of a major city, and I have talked with many car audio thieves, and I know what they look for and what they steal. First coming out of college, with little money, I talked to them. I saw their stolen products, and what they had to offer. They told me how difficult it was to get a faceplate replacement. So, they don't normally go after those radios because they can't make quick money for their drugs. And, if you have a good alarm, they don't know if someone will come down the stairs with a shot gun. At one time in my early youth, I had an Uzi and a Shotgun autoloader to protect my vehicle. Before that, I had my car radio stolen, my dash smashed to smithereens, and the guy left 22 caliber bullets in my car with crack drug paraphernalia(Before my Wrangler). All the while, I lived in a secured, suburban, gated community. One of my second cousins, had been a drug dealer, a Crip, and a holder of stolen car stereos. But, I was blessed with the common sense and intelligence, not to participate in criminal endeavors. I didn't buy their products, but I learned from the inside. In 30 years, since I've had my Viper's, and removable face plates, or pull out stereos, I have never had a radio stolen. So, thank you for your car stereo dealer opinion, but I learned from drug dealers, drug users, and OG Crip gang member relatives.
03-13-2014 06:54 PM
Apocalypticsurf6 Chas thats really not why they did that. I worked as a mobile audio salesman and installer for many years, including the years when these products first hit the market. The reason they stopped making detachable faceplates for the motorized units is because at best you could only make half of the face detachable and because it was so small it was very weak and broke often. On top of that it didn't deter anyone. Since the edge of the screen was still exposed it was obvious to the thieves that the in dash unit is of high value. They would still steal it and then just go to different audio stores until they found the same one on the wall and just steal the corresponding faceplate. It became such an issue we started to glue the faceplates on with CA glue and then would just junk the unit when it came off the wall. All manufacturers still make detachable faceplates for standard single din headunits because they are large enough to be of solid construction but still run the risk of premature failure if you detach it often because the contacts wear out. Thats why I dont remove mine. Even the vibrations from the car cause a lot of wear on these connections. This is why I installed my radio in such a way that the theif would need to dismantle the entire dash and then remove 6 screws holding the radio in place. There are other ways to prevent theft as well if you like but thats enough for me. After all my radio I have now was just over $100, so im not too worried.
03-13-2014 06:50 PM
ChasUGC Very Nice HU. I would seriously consider putting in a seven band graphic EQ into the space you have left. The Clarion EQS746 is 1/2 din and it only costs 60$. I would especially consider it if you plan to add a subwoofer and speaker amps. The HU will add too much distortion to your speakers and the Clarion is only 0.005% THD. Any "boost" by the HU means adding distortion. The Clarion will control the subwoofer boost a lot better than the HU. If you want true audio fidelity, I would get it.



03-13-2014 06:29 PM
ChasUGC Out of the two, I would probably say Kenwood too. But, I choose a different route, because neither of them made the type of HU that I was looking for at the time. I wanted the 7" touch flip screen and GPS. And, with a radio that extravagent, a detachable face is very important. But, many of the radio manufacturer's don't seem to understand the importance of that theft deterrent system. I don't think they really care because if they can get you to buy radio's continuously because of theft, it is more profitable for them.
03-13-2014 05:18 PM
Apocalypticsurf6 I can personally say Kenwood, I have had 2 pioneers over the years, the original double din Avic-D1 and just recently the 150BH(new version of the 140). The 10year old avic D1 was infinitely better than the new 150bh, I only had installed the 150BH 6 months before I sold my last car and I just let the dealership have it. The D1 had more features than the new top of the line model such as telephone address search. The new 150 doesnt even tell you the speed limit of the road your on which is a standard feature on even a pos $80 garmin, not that garmins are bad but im talking bottom of the line. I just put a kenwood excelon radio in my Jeep and its wonder. Much easier to control and set up than the pioneer, far better sound quality but most importantly better electronics. Pioneer is still using the same chipboard that they were using when they released their first Navi, which has a tendency to die in 2-3 years because of an internal fuse that likes to blow around that time and there is no way to fix it. Thats partly how my first pioneer died, in addition the touch screen and motor unit both fried and died. Its up to you but I will never buy another Pioneer product, their tech is far out dated, Kenwood is on top of their game.
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10-30-2012 10:50 AM
Medic005 I went with a Kenwood DNX6180HD, happy with the unit and no issues. I've updated the firmware and it runs even snappier now.
10-30-2012 09:36 AM
stevelucas
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Originally Posted by bfgrubi View Post
I know its an Alpine, but you might want to take a look at it because it does seem to have what you want and does have a detachable face. The detachable face is what sold this one for me.

Alpine INE-S920HD Navigation receiver at Crutchfield.com
That's actually pretty sweet. If I end up not liking this Nav, I have a buddy that wants it and I may buy the Kenwood DNX6190HD or get the Alpine INE-S920HD
10-25-2012 06:17 PM
bfgrubi I know its an Alpine, but you might want to take a look at it because it does seem to have what you want and does have a detachable face. The detachable face is what sold this one for me.

Alpine INE-S920HD Navigation receiver at Crutchfield.com
10-25-2012 05:41 PM
stevelucas
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Originally Posted by eboven View Post
For an aftermarket setup with XM and steering wheel controls, you will need the following items:

1) Radio dash kit Metra 95-6511 $10-20
2) Radio harness Factory Base audio system Metra XSVI-6522-NAV $40-80
------------------Factory Infinity system Metra CHTO-013 $80-130
3) Radio antenna adapter Metra 40-EU10 $7-17
4) Steering Wheel Controls Module Metra ASWC $70-100
5) SiriusXM Tuner SiriusXM SXV200 $50-70 (will work with any new aftermarket stereo that has the "SiriusXM" logo)
6) The radio/nav unit Kenwood DNX6190HD $700-900

Total price (low) $877
Total price (high) $1237

So, depending on where you get all the items and if you install it yourself, an aftermarket unit will be better quality and can still be cheaper than a refurbished factory unit.

As far as theft goes, I have been installing professionally for about 7 years now, and have yet to get someone in for replacing their stolen double-din screen. Thieves who know what they are doing know that a double-DIN radio is rarely cage mounted, and therefore they must take the dash apart to remove it without causing damage to the radio itself. It would take an average thief several minutes to get your double-DIN, while it may only take 30 seconds to get the single-DIN that's mounted in the car parked next to yours.
*****I just got all of this under $500! All accessories on eBay, Kenwood DNX5120 in mint condition on Craigslist! - Now installation is pending. I'll post pics and feedback. Thanks for all of your help!*****
09-11-2012 12:01 PM
Rmiller31 I would never put any aftermarket unit in that didn't have a good form of security. This is my third Jeep and I've had each one broken into at least handful of times. It's happened in good parts of town and bad parts. I've had also had bad experiences with both brands. Jeep's are a lot dirtier then most cars and the head unit's take more abuse.

The only unit I've ever had last was made by alpine.
09-09-2012 03:47 PM
eboven The DDX419 does not have a separate box for Bluetooth; it's a small Bluetooth chip that plugs into the rear USB input. iPods and flash-drives can still be plugged into the front USB input, so the rear one being used shouldn't be an issue.
09-08-2012 12:03 AM
bengen1
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Originally Posted by ronrad

Um my Kenwood 6990. Does pretty well with android steaming in one box with Bluetooth. Not sure on the two box comment?
Just pointing out the differences on those 2 units I narrowed it down to. I Didn't say the extra box was a negative! Nor was it a reference to android as it seems both units are iphone freindly for connectivity as well as others !
09-07-2012 09:51 PM
ronrad
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Originally Posted by bengen1
I have flip flopped between pioneer and kenwood over the years and my last DD was a kenwood and was pleased with it. I narrowed my search to the Pioneer AVH-P2400bt and the kenwood ddx419 both non nav. Here are the slight differences that stood out to me on these:

1. bluetooth is built in on the pioneer and a separate box included for kenwood
2. Kenwood has 4v preamp outputs, Pioneer has 2v
3. I found the pioneer for about 50 bucks cheaper
Now my main reason is for bluetooth handsfree and streaming audio from phone (android) and the cheap route as well so Im going with Pioneer this round!
Um my Kenwood 6990. Does pretty well with android steaming in one box with Bluetooth. Not sure on the two box comment?
09-06-2012 06:04 PM
bengen1 I have flip flopped between pioneer and kenwood over the years and my last DD was a kenwood and was pleased with it. I narrowed my search to the Pioneer AVH-P2400bt and the kenwood ddx419 both non nav. Here are the slight differences that stood out to me on these:

1. bluetooth is built in on the pioneer and a separate box included for kenwood
2. Kenwood has 4v preamp outputs, Pioneer has 2v
3. I found the pioneer for about 50 bucks cheaper
Now my main reason is for bluetooth handsfree and streaming audio from phone (android) and the cheap route as well so Im going with Pioneer this round!
09-04-2012 09:49 PM
JeeperSter
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Originally Posted by eboven

Your issue sounds like a two possible problems. What year is the Jeep, and does it have the factory Infinity system? I would think your problem stems from the wiring harness/can module or your steering wheel control module; do you know what part numbers they installed? If you had it done at a reputable shop, they should be able to perform an update on the module(s) or swap them out if needed. It is possible that the Kenwood would do this on it's own, but the other things should be checked out first. Did your installer try running a constant battery line to the Kenwood's constant input?

Also, looking on Kenwood's website, there seems to have been several updates to the 9990's firmware in the last few months, I would try this as well; if your problem is the Kenwood, these updates may fix it.
Wow..thanks! Jeep is a 2011. Not sure on a lot of what you asked about parts and wiring. I'm not that tech with audio.. the shop is one of the areas best. I know they updated the firmware. I'll show them what you mentioned...thanks again
09-04-2012 11:15 AM
eboven
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Originally Posted by JeeperSter View Post
kenwood 9990HD
I put one in back around June... they are about to replace it. It randomly loses all settings, presets etc..
2 weeks ago kenwood told my installer to run a power wire from the battery to the head unit to bypass something in the (i think?) can buss adaptor for the stering wheel controls....so he did.
Today it was wierd.. when from HD radio right into my ipod while I was driving... checked and all the memory was gone again
Any body else having an issue with the 9990?
Your issue sounds like a two possible problems. What year is the Jeep, and does it have the factory Infinity system? I would think your problem stems from the wiring harness/can module or your steering wheel control module; do you know what part numbers they installed? If you had it done at a reputable shop, they should be able to perform an update on the module(s) or swap them out if needed. It is possible that the Kenwood would do this on it's own, but the other things should be checked out first. Did your installer try running a constant battery line to the Kenwood's constant input?

Also, looking on Kenwood's website, there seems to have been several updates to the 9990's firmware in the last few months, I would try this as well; if your problem is the Kenwood, these updates may fix it.
09-03-2012 10:05 PM
JeeperSter kenwood 9990HD
I put one in back around June... they are about to replace it. It randomly loses all settings, presets etc..
2 weeks ago kenwood told my installer to run a power wire from the battery to the head unit to bypass something in the (i think?) can buss adaptor for the stering wheel controls....so he did.
Today it was wierd.. when from HD radio right into my ipod while I was driving... checked and all the memory was gone again
Any body else having an issue with the 9990?
09-03-2012 08:35 PM
stevelucas Edited....nvm
09-03-2012 08:32 PM
stevelucas
Quote:
Originally Posted by eboven
For an aftermarket setup with XM and steering wheel controls, you will need the following items:

1) Radio dash kit Metra 95-6511 $10-20
2) Radio harness Factory Base audio system Metra XSVI-6522-NAV $40-80
------------------Factory Infinity system Metra CHTO-013 $80-130
3) Radio antenna adapter Metra 40-EU10 $7-17
4) Steering Wheel Controls Module Metra ASWC $70-100
5) SiriusXM Tuner SiriusXM SXV200 $50-70 (will work with any new aftermarket stereo that has the "SiriusXM" logo)
6) The radio/nav unit Kenwood DNX6190HD $700-900

Total price (low) $877
Total price (high) $1237

So, depending on where you get all the items and if you install it yourself, an aftermarket unit will be better quality and can still be cheaper than a refurbished factory unit.

As far as theft goes, I have been installing professionally for about 7 years now, and have yet to get someone in for replacing their stolen double-din screen. Thieves who know what they are doing know that a double-DIN radio is rarely cage mounted, and therefore they must take the dash apart to remove it without causing damage to the radio itself. It would take an average thief several minutes to get your double-DIN, while it may only take 30 seconds to get the single-DIN that's mounted in the car parked next to yours.
Excellent feedback! Thanks a ton!
09-03-2012 08:18 PM
eboven For an aftermarket setup with XM and steering wheel controls, you will need the following items:

1) Radio dash kit Metra 95-6511 $10-20
2) Radio harness Factory Base audio system Metra XSVI-6522-NAV $40-80
------------------Factory Infinity system Metra CHTO-013 $80-130
3) Radio antenna adapter Metra 40-EU10 $7-17
4) Steering Wheel Controls Module Metra ASWC $70-100
5) SiriusXM Tuner SiriusXM SXV200 $50-70 (will work with any new aftermarket stereo that has the "SiriusXM" logo)
6) The radio/nav unit Kenwood DNX6190HD $700-900

Total price (low) $877
Total price (high) $1237

So, depending on where you get all the items and if you install it yourself, an aftermarket unit will be better quality and can still be cheaper than a refurbished factory unit.

As far as theft goes, I have been installing professionally for about 7 years now, and have yet to get someone in for replacing their stolen double-din screen. Thieves who know what they are doing know that a double-DIN radio is rarely cage mounted, and therefore they must take the dash apart to remove it without causing damage to the radio itself. It would take an average thief several minutes to get your double-DIN, while it may only take 30 seconds to get the single-DIN that's mounted in the car parked next to yours.
09-03-2012 06:55 PM
stevelucas
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Originally Posted by davefr

I've done lots of research and it's a trade off.

You can find a RHB 430N unit for <$1000. It's 100% plug and play and a 10 minute swap with the stock Sport RES radio assuming you have Connectivity and the combined Sirius/GPS Antenna. The Garmin NAV is pretty basic but works fine.

You can get better NAV going aftermarket. However you need to modify the dash bracket, wire in a microphone and add kludge adapter(s) to get steering wheel control functionality, etc. You might want to see the notes at Crutchfield. They spell it out pretty well what all is involved.
This is what I need. Thanks! I would think going stock would look harder to steal but then again powered down they pretty much all look like a big screen. However its ridiculous how over priced they are. I use my Android for NAV but I want the look of the NAV screen.

I already have steering wheel control and XM but no Connectivity pkg. I could care less about steering wheel activated hands free...its not like the we're driving Escalades. However, I want the full screen info you see when you use XM (I had a 2010 Z71 that had stock NAV).

Basically I just want to have the look of the full screen and still use the steering wheel controls and it not take $400 worth of converter connections.

With all this said, I appreciate all of your input!
09-03-2012 06:27 PM
davefr
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Originally Posted by stevelucas View Post
Thanks for the input. I am more concerned now with the how-to. Anyone have a step-by-step?
I've done lots of research and it's a trade off.

You can find a RHB 430N unit for <$1000. It's 100% plug and play and a 10 minute swap with the stock Sport RES radio assuming you have Connectivity and the combined Sirius/GPS Antenna. The Garmin NAV is pretty basic but works fine.

You can get better NAV going aftermarket. However you need to modify the dash bracket, wire in a microphone and add kludge adapter(s) to get steering wheel control functionality, etc. You might want to see the notes at Crutchfield. They spell it out pretty well what all is involved.
09-03-2012 05:00 PM
stevelucas
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Originally Posted by eboven

If you are looking for a clear answer on Pioneer/Kenwood, see post #14 - as I said, I deal with both brands daily, and would recommend Kenwood every time. Alpine is my personal favorite though, for what it's worth.

If you're just trying to find out if the factory nav system is better than an aftermarket unit - no, it isn't. The factory nav setup is priced about double that of an aftermarket, and you only get a few limited options with the factory one. You could easily replace your stock radio with a high-end aftermarket radio for around $1,100-1,500 and you will be 100x happier with it than you would be with the $2,200 factory system. Just my $.02
Thanks for the input. I am more concerned now with the how-to. Anyone have a step-by-step?
09-03-2012 04:56 PM
eboven
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Originally Posted by stevelucas View Post
I'm hoping to get a clear answer from this thread because I am also looking to upgrade to a NAV. Not sure what model radio unit came in my '12 JK Sport 2 Door, but its a 2 DIN dot matrix with XM. Wish I'd have gotten the NAV now but didn't seem justifiable to add $2200 package I could do for 1/2.

If anyone has any real pointers or stop signs for me on this deal please PM me or post it here. I'm savvy with electronics and would love to have some feedback before I go ripping out my factory unit.


THANKS!
If you are looking for a clear answer on Pioneer/Kenwood, see post #14 - as I said, I deal with both brands daily, and would recommend Kenwood every time. Alpine is my personal favorite though, for what it's worth.

If you're just trying to find out if the factory nav system is better than an aftermarket unit - no, it isn't. The factory nav setup is priced about double that of an aftermarket, and you only get a few limited options with the factory one. You could easily replace your stock radio with a high-end aftermarket radio for around $1,100-1,500 and you will be 100x happier with it than you would be with the $2,200 factory system. Just my $.02
09-03-2012 11:41 AM
stevelucas
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Originally Posted by lmj225
i ended up with the kenwood dnx6190HD, alpine power pack hidden amp 445U, polk 165 speakers x4 and a kicker hideaway powered sub. Not the most expensive or LOUDEST system but it sounds really nice and full. The factory radio is a total joke compared to this. The kenwood unit is great. it boots up plenty fast enough and is super user friendly and easy interface. i am very satisfied with it. when i bought mine it came with free install from best buy. at first i was really skeptical about a best buy install but when i was just shopping around i met the guy and he seemed really knowledgable. i am very satisfied with my experience at best buy and the geek squad install. i suppose the location and the tech are what matters--not where they work. the fees for the amp, speaker and sub install were very reasonable. if you get the kenwood be sure to also get the iPod/iphone cable--very cool and made by kenwood. it charges your device and allows you to play your movies, songs, pandora etc. flawlessly.
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