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02-17-2013 12:38 PM
CGNY
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Originally Posted by Goofyjumper View Post
It might be worth it just to prevent further warping. Could just be suffering from bad caster setup and worn ball joints.
Thats what I was thinking as far as it is still worth it to prevent further warping. Was also thinking that I would go ahead and replace the ball joints with some Synergy's or something comparable while i'm at it.
02-17-2013 12:10 PM
JKRONNIE 35's= more $$$$ period. But I'm way ok with it. I'll happily spend the necessary $$ along the way to have them. If $$ is an issue, just stay stock, but thats not really what having a jeep is all about IMO.
02-17-2013 11:05 AM
Goofyjumper
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Originally Posted by CGNY View Post
I just read through this whole thread and definitely feel like it is well worth it to atleast purchase and install the C Gussets as I plan on keeping this Jeep indefintely. However I just purchased my 07 JKU which already had a Skyjacker 4" lift and 35s. Based on the set up of the jeep I'm assuming its been off-road in at least mild conditions. I havent had it long enough to notice any tire wear but i know the steering isnt tracking at all. The tire camber seems fine. I'm just wondering if the C knuckles already have some warping is it worth doing the gussets?
It might be worth it just to prevent further warping. Could just be suffering from bad caster setup and worn ball joints.
02-17-2013 11:02 AM
CGNY I just read through this whole thread and definitely feel like it is well worth it to atleast purchase and install the C Gussets as I plan on keeping this Jeep indefintely. However I just purchased my 07 JKU which already had a Skyjacker 4" lift and 35s. Based on the set up of the jeep I'm assuming its been off-road in at least mild conditions. I havent had it long enough to notice any tire wear but i know the steering isnt tracking at all. The tire camber seems fine. I'm just wondering if the C knuckles already have some warping is it worth doing the gussets?
02-13-2013 11:50 AM
Goofyjumper Installed TF sleeves and Artec gussets over the weekend on my D44. Took me 4 hours to do both at the same time and I would call it a moderate/mid-level task if you are mechanically inclined and have a welder.

The TF sleeves can be installed without opening the diff if you are very careful. I slid a rag tied to a piece of parachute cord into each of the axle tubes to block any drill shavings from entering the housing, then fished an air hose into the tubes to blow out the cuttings and finally pulled the rag out for a final cleaning.

Gussets were easy to install too. Did not need any modification and were very well made.

Overall, for around 200 bones and 4-6 hours of labor, it is well worth it to beef up your axle housing.

I should note that I did this on a brand new 2013 JKU Rubi with 380 miles on it. So diss-assembly was easy... though I probably voided warranty on the axle.
02-07-2013 10:04 PM
poduck69 Has anyone had a bad experience with the TF HD tire carrier?
01-29-2013 01:04 AM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by JKASS

Lol, didn't mean to hurt your feelings there princess. Reinforcing you d30 is good but I don't think people should be lead to believe their axle will break in two from driving on dirt roads.
That's ok prancer. No harm no foul. The level you take your assumptions to knows no bounds. Keep em comin.
01-28-2013 09:29 PM
hbgirl
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Originally Posted by Kssting View Post
[*]New gears - 3:73's might make you want to upgrade gears but they will work fine.[*]New tire carrier - Yes. Some people will swear that they have put a 35 on their stock tire carrier but eventually the sheet metal will pay the price.[*]C gussets - Yes. Just good insurance.[*]New ball joints - Obvious mixed opinions on this one. I personally didn't want to upgrade since I only had a few thousand miles on the stock joints. So far no issues but time will tell if it was a bad decision.
:confused
derp, I meant to quote this, not Ken! Not that Ken doesn't always have super awesome insightful things to say ...

Anyway, thank you Kssting!
01-28-2013 08:57 PM
ltdanyj
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Originally Posted by COStrider View Post
LOL. Did you out that one together yourself?! Wow, you rock at comedy! Ha
Interesting... I wasn't laughing...
01-28-2013 08:41 PM
JKASS
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Originally Posted by COStrider

LOL. Did you out that one together yourself?! Wow, you rock at comedy! Ha
Lol, didn't mean to hurt your feelings there princess. Reinforcing you d30 is good but I don't think people should be lead to believe their axle will break in two from driving on dirt roads.
01-28-2013 07:20 PM
hbgirl
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
The rear is fine. I would rather save for a PR 44 then dump money in my stock axle.
I honesty think most of the axle upgrades people do are overkill for what they do anyways.

The way i look at it. Caster/pinion separation on the stock housing blows and I'm running low caster for my front Ds.
I would rather save for a PR 44(with 10 degrees separation) and sell my stock axle to recoup some $$.

And yes... Contact Dave at NR. He will put together the axles for you. Obtaining new tone rings and buying complete axles let's you save the stocks for trail spares.
Thank you
01-28-2013 07:20 PM
rivershark2005
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Originally Posted by COStrider
Posted this in the axle reinforcement thread. This is all the info I have-

Stock Jeep Wrangler JK. Guy lives on a dirt road. No hard wheeling. Here's what happened to his axle. For those of you near Denver Colorado this is at HCP4x4 on the showroom floor:
Looks like slag split to me. Sometimes (not often), during steel manufacture, if the heat is a little too high, not all of the slag will float and skim. This leaves slag, which normally stays close together, in the steel as it is being formed. I've seen it several times in pipe testing. The area around the break would look weird on either x-ray or ultrasound.
01-28-2013 07:10 PM
kjeeper10 The rear is fine. I would rather save for a PR 44 then dump money in my stock axle.
I honesty think most of the axle upgrades people do are overkill for what they do anyways.

The way i look at it. Caster/pinion separation on the stock housing blows and I'm running low caster for my front Ds.
I would rather save for a PR 44(with 10 degrees separation) and sell my stock axle to recoup some $$.

And yes... Contact Dave at NR. He will put together the axles for you. Obtaining new tone rings and buying complete axles let's you save the stocks for trail spares.
01-28-2013 07:02 PM
Kssting
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Originally Posted by hbgirl
Sooooo. much. info. Brain on overload.

I have a 2013 JKU Sport (aka D30) with 3.73's. Does that mean that if I want 35's, I'll need:
[*]New gears - 3:73's might make you want to upgrade gears but they will work fine.[*]New tire carrier - Yes. Some people will swear that they have put a 35 on their stock tire carrier but eventually the sheet metal will pay the price.[*]C gussets - Yes. Just good insurance.[*]New ball joints - Obvious mixed opinions on this one. I personally didn't want to upgrade since I only had a few thousand miles on the stock joints. So far no issues but time will tell if it was a bad decision.
:confused
01-28-2013 07:01 PM
SURGE
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Originally Posted by RacecarBMW

Ten Factory MG22157 - TEN Factory™ 32 Spline Grande Rear Axle Kit for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK with Dana 44 Axle Rubicon Model - Quadratec

Would that be enough for the rear axle? I have a rubicon with 35 inch tires.

Do I even need to do anything to the rear?
You're asking all the right questions. I would also like this answered if possible...
01-28-2013 06:53 PM
RacecarBMW
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Yessir
Ten Factory MG22157 - TEN Factory™ 32 Spline Grande Rear Axle Kit for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK with Dana 44 Axle Rubicon Model - Quadratec

Would that be enough for the rear axle? I have a rubicon with 35 inch tires.

Do I even need to do anything to the rear?
01-28-2013 06:38 PM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by chrisfp88

Ya I think I'm gonna need a little more info before I believe that. Just sounds kind of fishy. Was he running 40's? did he hit something? I just kind of find that hard to believe as I have wheeled the crap out of mine on 35's and am putting on 37's tomorrow, without a sleeve and gusset as I plan to only run like that for a month or 2. Then I will be able to install the ProRock 44 I'm assembling. For the record I have multiple wheeling outings and about 7,000 miles on the Jeep with this setup.
I would be happy to get more info tomorrow when I go back to pickup my Jeep. I want to know more too, but snapped some quick shots and posted all I knew at the time as I left.

I'm not a metallurgist- maybe it only came down to a defect in the steel, production, or other aspect. Or could just be failure under thrashing on a dirt road for years.

Just trying to post up some info relative to the thread so you all can make your own mind up and those of you who know about steel and lived nearby could go take a peak at it yourself and maybe shed some light on it firsthand.
01-28-2013 06:33 PM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by JKASS

So.... Your saying this is in the showroom of a place that sales axle upgrades? Showing how weak the axle is without the products they sale and install I presume. Hmmm......
LOL. Did you out that one together yourself?! Wow, you rock at comedy! Ha
01-28-2013 06:31 PM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by WatchThis!
Y'all do relise that that was a defective axle dont you? One does pop up every few years.
Yes. Wish the conspiracy theorists would think outside the box. Here's some more info on my end; No one at that shop ever even showed me that axle or said anything about it ever (as I stated in the axle reinforcement thread) until after I ordered TF gusset and sleeve kit. I did so based on my high speed backcountry desires and after learning about avoiding possible issues with the front axle from this forum.
01-28-2013 06:28 PM
RacecarBMW So if there is no need for the rear axle kit what do you recommend I do to make it stronger?

Or do you mean there is no need to make it stronger?
01-28-2013 06:25 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by RacecarBMW
So quick question does artec make a rear axle kit? will I need one? I have 2012 rubicon on 35 inch tires.
-Really no need. The factory axle flange is weak. Northridge will press in bearings and abs tone rings, Ten factory axle shafts complete around $500.

Also can someone explain to me why I need to change my balljoints? Can anyone link me to the recommended parts?
Factory ballpoints use a plastic sleeve the ball rotates in. Won't last long especially running bigger tires. It's a good idea to do the BJ's if welding on C gussets.
Synergy dropped their price to compete with Alloy. I love my synergy BJ's

So just to get this straight, in order to run 35s safely, I'm planning on

-full front artec kit
- rear artec kit (if there is one)
- changing ball joints (any suggestions)

Would this be enough?
Yessir
01-28-2013 06:18 PM
RacecarBMW So quick question does artec make a rear axle kit? will I need one? I have 2012 rubicon on 35 inch tires.

Also can someone explain to me why I need to change my balljoints? Can anyone link me to the recommended parts?

So just to get this straight, in order to run 35s safely, I'm planning on

-full front artec kit
- rear artec kit (if there is one)
- changing ball joints (any suggestions)

Would this be enough?
01-28-2013 06:09 PM
WatchThis! Y'all do relise that that was a defective axle dont you? One does pop up every few years.
01-28-2013 05:25 PM
chrisfp88
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Originally Posted by COStrider View Post
Posted this in the axle reinforcement thread. This is all the info I have-

Stock Jeep Wrangler JK. Guy lives on a dirt road. No hard wheeling. Here's what happened to his axle. For those of you near Denver Colorado this is at HCP4x4 on the showroom floor:

Attachment 202902
Ya I think I'm gonna need a little more info before I believe that. Just sounds kind of fishy. Was he running 40's? did he hit something? I just kind of find that hard to believe as I have wheeled the crap out of mine on 35's and am putting on 37's tomorrow, without a sleeve and gusset as I plan to only run like that for a month or 2. Then I will be able to install the ProRock 44 I'm assembling. For the record I have multiple wheeling outings and about 7,000 miles on the Jeep with this setup.
01-28-2013 05:05 PM
JKASS
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Originally Posted by COStrider
Posted this in the axle reinforcement thread. This is all the info I have-

Stock Jeep Wrangler JK. Guy lives on a dirt road. No hard wheeling. Here's what happened to his axle. For those of you near Denver Colorado this is at HCP4x4 on the showroom floor:
So.... Your saying this is in the showroom of a place that sales axle upgrades? Showing how weak the axle is without the products they sale and install I presume. Hmmm......
01-28-2013 02:47 PM
hbgirl Sooooo. much. info. Brain on overload.


I have a 2013 JKU Sport (aka D30) with 3.73's. Does that mean that if I want 35's, I'll need:
  • New gears (4.56? 4.88?)
  • New tire carrier
  • C gussets
  • New ball joints


My "offroading" is just basic stuff; camping and bunny trails. This is my DD, no mountain climbing for me, haha.

And how does anyone do all of this at once w/o winning the lottery first?
01-28-2013 12:44 PM
COStrider Posted this in the axle reinforcement thread. This is all the info I have-

Stock Jeep Wrangler JK. Guy lives on a dirt road. No hard wheeling. Here's what happened to his axle. For those of you near Denver Colorado this is at HCP4x4 on the showroom floor:

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01-27-2013 02:38 PM
kjeeper10 Plan A, This is plan B
01-27-2013 02:03 PM
paleh0rse
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
A few folks recommended me wheel spacers to make clearance for my synergy tie rod ends.
I already have 3.75 BS and with 1.5 spacer. That would equal 2.25 BS
I don't want to do this even though people do.

Thoughts ?
I thought you found some TREs that might work?
01-27-2013 01:57 PM
kjeeper10 A few folks recommended me wheel spacers to make clearance for my synergy tie rod ends.
I already have 3.75 BS and with 1.5 spacer. That would equal 2.25 BS
I don't want to do this even though people do.

Thoughts ?
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