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01-16-2013 09:47 AM
Mr. Sinister I am. I added 1-3/4" spacers and want to put a set of 33's on my 2012. I did the spacers just to get the proportions (what I feel is) right. The stock JK looks just a little too low to me for some reason.
01-16-2013 09:45 AM
MikeK46 I'm swapping out the 13/55 springs & black shocks out of my Sahara for a set of 18/59 springs & red shocks out of a Rubi. I'm excited to see what this will do as far as handling and ride.
01-16-2013 08:47 AM
Jeeperz Creeperz
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Originally Posted by ManleyORV View Post
Been wheeling my stock Jeep for 3 years and 33,000 miles. Only thing I did to the suspension/tires is put on unlimited Rubicon springs and 255/80/17 KM2's, which are a 33x10.5x17. I've been wanting to lift it for a couple years and run 35's, but damn if it isn't because I just want to buy stuff! And that hasn't been a good enough reason.

I run trails with guys on 35's and 37's and although they make it through much easier and without scraping their skids, I still follow them through 99% of the time. I barely ever have to use my winch. These are considered moderate to difficult trails or if you have been to a Jeep Jamboree they are 6,7,8 rated.

Now I did have do some things to protect the undercarriage considering I'm doing quite a bit of dragging... diff covers, full skids, stabilizer relocation and control arm skids. And after 3 years, I'm probably going to have to buy a new skid system, but they did their job.

Soooo if you like your Jeep stock, keep it stock and wheel the crap out of it, upgrade things as they are needed or break. If anything you will be the exception rather than following the masses, which is kinda cool I think.

-Josh
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That is great to hear and see in the photos. I bought mine because Wrangler is extremely capable stock and have no current plans to hit trails as difficult as the ones pictured. If I do change and go more advanced off roading in the future, I have the same philosophy. I will upgrade as needed.

The answer is yes I am happy with the stock suspension.
01-16-2013 07:17 AM
ratchettt ManleyORV. We have the same perspective. I don't mean to hijack thread, but my off-road shop advised me not to add the skids I went in to buy. Said I needed more experience before spending on mods, plus said the factory protection though not as good as aftermarket, still they were adequate at my level. (I think they felt a winch should eat my first mod dollar expense)

You, canyonrat, and ConArtist encourage me I am on right track. I have no interest in lifting/taller-tires, but I do feel the need for belly protection. Can you share your recommendations? PM or here.
01-16-2013 07:00 AM
ratchettt Happy, indeed. 2013 JKR
01-16-2013 02:21 AM
Lusus_Naturae I need to have a stiffer ride here, but I don't want a big lift. I'm planning on running 33-34 inch Duratracs and flat fenders for some room.

Would you put in a spacer set, or find a coil lift? I'm looking at leveling kits, and lifts up to 2".

Do new shocks provide a stiffer ride on a stock JKU?

I ran a TJ with a Rough Country kit (Jeep TJ Wrangler Suspension Lift) with Doetsch MV12 shocks (Doetsch Nitro Slammer - MV12 Performance Racking Shock). I really liked the stiff ride I had. I switched to Bilstein shocks after having them recommended for a nice ride, they did ride nice, but were almost too bouncy for me and soft. It took awhile getting used to them, although in the end it was ok.

So when I got the JKU I found the ride was even softer, especially in the corners where I can really feel the body roll.

So shoot some ideas out for me here.

I also don't have a clue to the height comparison underneath. I should have measured the TJ before selling it but forgot. I do worry a bit about the clearance as I don't want to scrape the belly up (even with skids).
01-16-2013 01:08 AM
Moha Happy here with 33" tires and stock suspension. Don't plan on modifying it.
01-15-2013 07:33 PM
strider_mt2k I like my stock setup and don't really plan to change anything except as mentioned maybe add some skid plates.
(sob)
Sorry, I'm missing ma wee Jeepy. She's in the shop for 'er head and I'm stuck in a bloody rental Honda Accord for now.
(sob)
01-15-2013 02:33 PM
ManleyORV Been wheeling my stock Jeep for 3 years and 33,000 miles. Only thing I did to the suspension/tires is put on unlimited Rubicon springs and 255/80/17 KM2's, which are a 33x10.5x17. I've been wanting to lift it for a couple years and run 35's, but damn if it isn't because I just want to buy stuff! And that hasn't been a good enough reason.

I run trails with guys on 35's and 37's and although they make it through much easier and without scraping their skids, I still follow them through 99% of the time. I barely ever have to use my winch. These are considered moderate to difficult trails or if you have been to a Jeep Jamboree they are 6,7,8 rated.

Now I did have do some things to protect the undercarriage considering I'm doing quite a bit of dragging... diff covers, full skids, stabilizer relocation and control arm skids. And after 3 years, I'm probably going to have to buy a new skid system, but they did their job.

Soooo if you like your Jeep stock, keep it stock and wheel the crap out of it, upgrade things as they are needed or break. If anything you will be the exception rather than following the masses, which is kinda cool I think.

-Josh
09-06-2012 11:24 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post
That's the description I was looking for when I made my earlier post.
Different shocks worked wonders for making my Jeep now feel more stable and planted to the road.

Even though I raised my center of gravity, I also moved the tires out by using rims with less backspacing.
What mods did you make? What are the specs and backspacing on the wheels you went with?

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Originally Posted by canyonrat View Post
Love my JKU stock height. The tires are bigger than what I could fit on my 93 YJ which was stock height also. I drove that YJ off road all over AZ, not extreme trails but lots of sand, rock, and creek crossings. I never needed or wanted it lifted. Now I live in CO and looking forward to hitting some more trails but nothing that requires a lifted suspension.

Watch what some of the stock jeeps in this video are doing, and ask yourself if you really need that lift, bigger tires, or "high clearance" bumper. Most of them are put on for looks, not as an actual requirement. Sorry, hope this does not get me kicked off the forum, but keeping' it real...
China Wall 7.17.10 - YouTube
I'd be doing the lift, wheels, and tires more for looks than anything else. My Rubicon is perfectly capable for the terrain I'm normally on.
09-06-2012 10:48 PM
THW
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Originally Posted by Dew View Post
But he's got a point. I was one of those guys he was laughing at, rushing to lift my jeep even before I had the keys in hand. His comment directly implies to me.

Before I pulled the trigger on a lift, I did some offroading and was seriously impressed by the capabilities of my stock wrangler. A lift kit would still be nice, but now I don't see it as a necessity for most of the trails around these parts.
Yup. For what it's worth, we were laughing about how some guys rush to get a lift because they don't realize how capable the stock wrangler is. We were laughing with glee at the awesomeness of my jeep, not laughing at anyone else. I don't know how my comment was misread to apply to all lifted jeeps, but whatever. Some folks are just sensitive, I guess.
09-06-2012 10:00 PM
Dew
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Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post
I didn't take it personally. Just explaining my motives for lifting since your comment mentioned lifts: "and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock." It indirectly implies us lifted guys thought we needed to lift in order to offroad. Not true as you have seen.
But he's got a point. I was one of those guys he was laughing at, rushing to lift my jeep even before I had the keys in hand. His comment directly implies to me.

Before I pulled the trigger on a lift, I did some offroading and was seriously impressed by the capabilities of my stock wrangler. A lift kit would still be nice, but now I don't see it as a necessity for most of the trails around these parts.
09-06-2012 09:42 PM
JeezAJeep Had a 1996 and the ride was like a tank. Have a 2012 and love the ride. Still getting the AEV 2.5 and 33's
09-06-2012 07:05 PM
50 Something
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Originally Posted by Ottis View Post
I bought a Jeep for the same occasion, though a little early. And you sound like me when it comes to how you use it. So what changes have you made and how do you define "moderate trails"? Thx!
Tires, Wheels as mentioned above. Nerf bars by Rugged Ridge. Tube Doors by Body Armor. Seat Covers by Wet Okole. Tailgate cover with 2 M.O.L.L.E. gear bags by Smitty Built G.E.A.R. Security system with a Proximity sensor by Directed Electronics which makes the Viper, Clifford and 2 others I can't remember, which I went with the Clifford. Aries Brush Guard not installed yet. Side Window Safari Straps. Bikini Top by BesTop. Cobra 148 GTL 40 Channel SSB, which gives you 120 Channels, Radio Shack 102" antenna with spring and ball mount, not installed yet. I think that's it, so far...

I'm OK with Deep Clear Water, but no mud holes. Very agressive dirt hills, trails and such. As mentioned above nothing that will get in to the carb. or drive train. Oh, and no big rocks. I like to travel fast not 3 mph over stuff that will eat my Jeep up.

If you have any questions about the pricing or where to get the mod's just IM me.

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09-06-2012 04:02 PM
Ottis
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Originally Posted by 50 Something View Post

I don't cruise Malls, but I still will do some moderate trails by all means. This is my 50th Birthday present to myself and it's just a toy that sits in my garage. Had her for 4 months and just turned over 1000 miles last week.

That is why I'm:

50 Something... LOL
I bought a Jeep for the same occasion, though a little early. And you sound like me when it comes to how you use it. So what changes have you made and how do you define "moderate trails"? Thx!
09-06-2012 03:44 PM
Gort I've been very pleased so far with the suspension on my 12 Rubi Unlimited. It's my daily driver and I haven't done any hardcore wheeling with it yet (sticking to the green trails for now). It seems to ride, corner, and handle bumps much better than my 11 Sport Unlimited did. On washboard roads, though, you are still very aware of the front axle.
09-03-2012 05:50 AM
SilverSport
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Originally Posted by Geckoid View Post
What's been reported as the root cause ? Adding a lift, adding wheels with less backpacking, or the combination of them both ? I'm planning to go up to 33" Duratracs with a 2.5 Teraflex Lift soon - but I don't want to do anything that is going to bring about the death wobble. I had 35s on my old TJ and never experienced the death wobble, so please expound on what has been said about the root cause of the death wobble.
The root cause can be found in post #29. Linked to a thread created by an expert.
09-02-2012 11:55 PM
Geckoid
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Originally Posted by Macman1138

Well...that's what I have read and that seem to be the root cause according to the experts.
What's been reported as the root cause ? Adding a lift, adding wheels with less backpacking, or the combination of them both ? I'm planning to go up to 33" Duratracs with a 2.5 Teraflex Lift soon - but I don't want to do anything that is going to bring about the death wobble. I had 35s on my old TJ and never experienced the death wobble, so please expound on what has been said about the root cause of the death wobble.
09-02-2012 10:58 PM
HK_Runner
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Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post
Lifting does help lessen the possibility of undercarriage damage to an extent, but without larger diameter tires, the axles, diffs, and lower control arms are still at the same height.
Of course. I would lift to put some taller tires on. No real point otherwise. I am still stock so far, though I keep considering my options.
09-02-2012 10:20 PM
Jeepin Jim I dont think our Jeep is lifted, however it has larger wheels and tires, I and my wife are perfectly satisfied at the ride and handling of our Jeep. We do plan on normal trail wheeling and are not into any rock crawling and serious mudding. We have only had it for two weeks now and basically the only trail riding we have done is on our property, we own 14 acres of wooded property here in east Athens GA and we have actually found parts of our property that we didn't even know existed!. We life on a slight hill that has a creek running at the lower edge of our property, there is a lot of this areas that have blackberry briars and lots of under brush, this Jeep plows right through it all and that is in 2 wheel drive, we have not had the need to put it into four wheel drive yet!
This stock suspension is more than enough for us, there is a new off road place here in Athens called Okoneee Offroad and the first thing they told us when they met us is that the the Jeep Wrangler is well capable right off the show room floor for regular trails and can actually take a good beating in off road situations. They told us that they can sell us all kinds of stuff that we really don't need but they would rather keep us well informed because they want return customers out of us.
I am a firm believer that a typical Jeeper could do well with larger tires and maybe a few extra lights and a winch but that is as far as we go when it comes to our Jeep.
I just say- get out there and enjoy your Wrangler and try and keep from outdoing that Joneses.
09-02-2012 05:48 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by SilverSport

Lifting does help lessen the possibility of undercarriage damage to an extent, but without larger diameter tires, the axles, diffs, and lower control arms are still at the same height.
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09-02-2012 05:37 PM
SilverSport
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
The only reason I would lift is to get better clearance. A stock Jeep can climb as steep or a steeper hill than a lifted one. That is not the issue. There are trails I cannot go to for fear of undercarriage damage. In my case, the is the ONLY reason to lift it. Most people probably do it for looks. I could care less.
Lifting does help lessen the possibility of undercarriage damage to an extent, but without larger diameter tires, the axles, diffs, and lower control arms are still at the same height.
09-02-2012 05:32 PM
SilverSport I didn't take it personally. Just explaining my motives for lifting since your comment mentioned lifts: "and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock." It indirectly implies us lifted guys thought we needed to lift in order to offroad. Not true as you have seen.
09-02-2012 05:28 PM
HK_Runner The only reason I would lift is to get better clearance. A stock Jeep can climb as steep or a steeper hill than a lifted one. That is not the issue. There are trails I cannot go to for fear of undercarriage damage. In my case, the is the ONLY reason to lift it. Most people probably do it for looks. I could care less.
09-02-2012 03:12 PM
THW
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Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post
That is a stereotypical comment if I ever heard one. Yes, JK Wranglers are very capable in stock form. And I wasn't unhappy with the stock suspension. And I like many owners don't lift because we think we have to in order to offroad, etc.

The stock ride wasn't bad; I wanted firmer. I also added 2" spacers to give my Jeep a better looking stance. I then replaced the shocks to account for the lift and to firm up the ride. I also added two aftermarket accessories to re-center the axles. Still using stock springs and control arms. I was happy before but wanted to improve the otherwise satisfactory factory handling. I feel I have accomplished that in making a good riding Jeep ride even better.
I'm not sure why you took that so personally. If you didn't think you had to lift in order to off-road, and were aware of stock capabilities, I'm confused as to why you would assume my comment even applied to you.
09-02-2012 11:53 AM
SilverSport
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Originally Posted by THW View Post
I'm very happy with the stock suspension. I was out here yesterday, and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock. I never plan to do any hairier offroading than this, and my bone stock jk ate this up with no problem whatsoever. (Hill was much steeper than it appears in the photo, as you know if you've ever tried to take photos like this!)
That is a stereotypical comment if I ever heard one. Yes, JK Wranglers are very capable in stock form. And I wasn't unhappy with the stock suspension. And I like many owners don't lift because we think we have to in order to offroad, etc.

The stock ride wasn't bad; I wanted firmer. I also added 2" spacers to give my Jeep a better looking stance. I then replaced the shocks to account for the lift and to firm up the ride. I also added two aftermarket accessories to re-center the axles. Still using stock springs and control arms. I was happy before but wanted to improve the otherwise satisfactory factory handling. I feel I have accomplished that in making a good riding Jeep ride even better.
09-02-2012 11:24 AM
THW I'm very happy with the stock suspension. I was out here yesterday, and my passenger and I were laughing about how guys rush to lift their jeeps without even realizing how capable they are stock. I never plan to do any hairier offroading than this, and my bone stock jk ate this up with no problem whatsoever. (Hill was much steeper than it appears in the photo, as you know if you've ever tried to take photos like this!)
09-02-2012 05:42 AM
Macman1138
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Originally Posted by tiotaco View Post
Drove my first Jeep 17 years with stock suspension and loved every minute--same for my stock '12 JK for 4 months so far. There are lots of reasons to modify suspension, but "just because" is not one of them.
Oh yeah. Every Jeep I have ever owned I have had the stock suspension, had very good results with all of them.
09-02-2012 05:35 AM
Macman1138
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Originally Posted by Baby Huey View Post
I have a 07, JKU-X, Stock suspension, 18" Sahara wheels/tires...6 speed.
I have no issues, in fact it rides and handles damned good on or off the highway.
I can sit in that Jeep all day long and get out and not have a back ache ( I have a bad back, lots of compression ).... My wife rides along and she never complains of the ride. We take it on road trips regularly .
I don't do a lot of mud holes, and no rock climbing. I do drive a lot of logging roads and trails, lots of ruts, and cut outs...
No real plans for big changes, I will at some point add a Leveling kit, I have no plans for giant tires, I will run the "COMBO" or cookie cutters....285/75/16....
I'm happy with the way mine rides and handles.... "BH"
I hear you, friend. I have spent a lot cash on LED replacement (bulbs, headlights, fog lights—every light I could replace), new, better speakers and other small items, but I am happy with the handling and ride of the stock suspension.
I am happy with the stock tires that came with the COD Rubicon and I will replace then with the same when the time comes.
Like you, no complaints on the ride from the wife.
If Mama's happy, everybody's happy. And that makes me happy.
09-01-2012 09:30 AM
wile_coyote I am satisfied with the stock on my Rubicon. There is a a difference I notice in driving the wife's Sahara.
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