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09-14-2012 02:23 PM
MichiganJeepster
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Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
So how do the Dunlop fierce attitude compare to the duratracs? The tread looks super similar and they are a little cheaper.
Dunlap tires were not part of the test in the magazine(4X4 Garage summer 2012) Duratracs were rated the same as Silent armor in snow and ice but performed better in the mud.
08-31-2012 10:29 AM
ratchettt
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Originally Posted by MOPWR2U View Post
You press the bottom half of the rocker switch once to activate the rear locker, and once again to activate the front locker. You press the top half of the rocker switch to turn them off.
Yes.

Any tips when to use rear only? When to use both? New and anxious to learn all I can before mine arrives.
08-30-2012 11:14 PM
Jammers So how do the Dunlop fierce attitude compare to the duratracs? The tread looks super similar and they are a little cheaper.
08-30-2012 10:55 PM
MichiganJeepster Duratracs should help you out in the snow. Magazine tested all types of tires and Duratracs kicked ass on snow and ice. Good tread pattern and lots of sipeing. Two ply sidewall is vulnerable to ice and rocks poking through them but I think they will be just fine. I went with BFG All Terrain T/A KO's because I like the look of them. In the Michigan snow and ice they perform average I guess. Jack of all, master of none. LOL
08-30-2012 06:39 PM
Refuse1 Thanks for the explanation of the locker switch.
08-30-2012 05:02 PM
XJ Knight
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Originally Posted by Refuse1 View Post
I thought the locker switch activated both front & rear at the same time. How do you activate only the rear locker?
One locker switch. Should be if I remember correctly push at the top once for rear. Push a second time at the top for front. Push a third time at top to deactivate front. and push once at the bottom of the switch to deactivate any lockers in use
08-30-2012 04:49 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by oilwell1415 View Post
False. A wheel does not have to slip for the LSD to work. With a clutch type LSD like the ones that come in Wranglers they are working all the time. Even sitting still you can jack up the axle and feel that the wheels are connected by the diff. When you hit the gas the power has to travel through the components of the LSD before it gets to the wheels, so the LSD is receiving the load it needs to operate before the power makes it to the wheel to make the wheel slip.

BLD is not even close to instantaneous. If you watch the videos of it in action it takes a few seconds for it to react and do something.

I will take the proactive work of an LSD to keep me from needing BLD every time. In cases where the LSD is in over its head the BLD complements it well, but it is not a replacement.
I was talking about snow driving but point taken. Generally you do not want instant response in bad conditions. I would agree that having both would be ideal.
08-30-2012 04:49 PM
MOPWR2U
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Originally Posted by Refuse1 View Post
I thought the locker switch activated both front & rear at the same time. How do you activate only the rear locker?
You press the bottom half of the rocker switch once to activate the rear locker, and once again to activate the front locker. You press the top half of the rocker switch to turn them off.
08-30-2012 04:36 PM
lolpetewtf
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Originally Posted by Refuse1 View Post
I thought the locker switch activated both front & rear at the same time. How do you activate only the rear locker?
There are switches for the front and rear. Back at the house
08-30-2012 04:19 PM
Refuse1
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Originally Posted by CombatChuk View Post
I bought a Rubicon for the Rock crawling. The stock Rubicon mud tires are alright when it gets extremely slushy, but they suck balls on ice/packed powder. I've only use the lockers (and only the rear) once in the snow and that was last year when my house got like 30 inches of snow and my driveway was blocked off by 5 foot drifts. It went through like a champ.

I'm hoping the new Duratracs I ordered will help out with the Ice/Packed Powder conditions this winter.
I thought the locker switch activated both front & rear at the same time. How do you activate only the rear locker?
08-30-2012 04:04 PM
jo3_h
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf View Post
I know, I know. My buddy is in the market for a Rubi...he lives in Jersey City. =/
Chilltown JC in da house!
08-30-2012 04:00 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by XJ Knight
Anyone seen JIMBOX lately?
No...
08-30-2012 03:57 PM
XJ Knight Anyone seen JIMBOX lately?
08-30-2012 03:49 PM
oilwell1415
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
BLD+ESP is technically instantaneous. LSD works similarly. The wheel must slip first.
False. A wheel does not have to slip for the LSD to work. With a clutch type LSD like the ones that come in Wranglers they are working all the time. Even sitting still you can jack up the axle and feel that the wheels are connected by the diff. When you hit the gas the power has to travel through the components of the LSD before it gets to the wheels, so the LSD is receiving the load it needs to operate before the power makes it to the wheel to make the wheel slip.

BLD is not even close to instantaneous. If you watch the videos of it in action it takes a few seconds for it to react and do something.

I will take the proactive work of an LSD to keep me from needing BLD every time. In cases where the LSD is in over its head the BLD complements it well, but it is not a replacement.
08-30-2012 03:39 PM
Lowerumble
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf View Post
I'm at the beach drunk I don't care about lockers at the momebt =)
Says the guy replying to the thread?....

08-30-2012 03:36 PM
Sueby
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf
I'm at the beach drunk I don't care about lockers at the momebt =)
Lmao!!
08-30-2012 03:16 PM
Lowerumble
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Originally Posted by MOPWR2U View Post
Nice, looks like a fun day.
08-30-2012 03:16 PM
lolpetewtf I'm at the beach drunk I don't care about lockers at the momebt =)
08-30-2012 03:08 PM
MOPWR2U Did somebody say snow? We get a little snow around here. This is my last Rubicon. I buy my Jeeps for snow, but also for mud, dirt, and anything else the mountains or desert dish out. I don't do rock crawling.



08-30-2012 02:03 PM
CG3
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Originally Posted by davefr View Post
You should get Silent Armors if your main concern is winter conditions. They're better for rain, ice and snow but are still good off road.

Duratracs are better for offroad, mud and rocks climbing but still do good in winter conditions.
Duratracs are Arctic Rated.... and I can tell you from lots of personal experience on a daily basis, they work. Not to say others aren't as good. Just sayin...
08-30-2012 02:01 PM
i82much
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
BLD+ESP is technically instantaneous. LSD works similarly. The wheel must slip first. ESP will cut the power and BLD will apply the brake. Those systems in unison can function with amazing results. Just like double clutch transmissions are killing the manuals in performance aspects, electronic systems will soon replace mechanical due to their higher reliability and speed. ABS is an electronic system designed to replace the "mechanical" system aka the driver pumping the pedal.
BLD is not instantaneous. You can watch a video of one wheel beginning to slip, see the other wheel sit still for a bit, and then watch the other wheel begin spinning as the computer decides to apply the brake. Do the same thing with LSD and you will not be able to see any lag.
08-30-2012 01:59 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by i82much View Post
Well, BLD isn't instantaneous - there is some delay. Which can be good or bad depending on the situation. Plus, you can turn off BLD if you pull a fuse or install a switch. So a little more flexible in that sense.
BLD+ESP is technically instantaneous. LSD works similarly. The wheel must slip first. ESP will cut the power and BLD will apply the brake. Those systems in unison can function with amazing results. Just like double clutch transmissions are killing the manuals in performance aspects, electronic systems will soon replace mechanical due to their higher reliability and speed. ABS is an electronic system designed to replace the "mechanical" system aka the driver pumping the pedal.
08-30-2012 01:52 PM
i82much
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Like I said before...

BLD=LSD.

BLD is electronic and LSD is mechanical. Which is better? We can fight about it.
Well, BLD isn't instantaneous - there is some delay. Which can be good or bad depending on the situation. Plus, you can turn off BLD if you pull a fuse or install a switch. So a little more flexible in that sense.
08-30-2012 01:50 PM
NFRs2000NYC Like I said before...

BLD=LSD.

BLD is electronic and LSD is mechanical. Which is better? We can fight about it.
08-30-2012 01:47 PM
i82much I like open diffs on ice or slick snow better than LSD. Provides lateral stability.
08-30-2012 01:43 PM
Sueby
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Originally Posted by oilwell1415 View Post
It is the opposite of the ABS kicking on. Regular ABS can't apply brake pressure, only release it. If there was no diff, BLD wouldn't work because both wheels would be locked together so I think the diff has a lot to do with it.
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Not exactly, but they are closely related. It has everything to do with how the differential transfers power to the opposite wheel.


Ok, that makes sense. Thanks guys.
08-30-2012 01:14 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Sueby

So did I!

Why do we call it BLD anyway, it's really just the abs kicking on, it has nothing to do with the diff...there is no mention of BLD in the manual either.
Not exactly, but they are closely related. It has everything to do with how the differential transfers power to the opposite wheel.
08-30-2012 01:10 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by pluke the 2
i'm pretty sure when you don't have your rubicon lockers engaged your differential will act as a limited slip. according to arb anyway.

and just because you have a rubicon doesn't mean they're automatically rock crawlers.

the hardcore guys will go base bone stock and throw in arb's which will out crawl and last rubi e lockers all day everyday.
Not exactly. The Rubicon has open diffs. Bld will act as a LSD, however.
08-30-2012 01:02 PM
C6Rubicon I bought mine to play in the mountains and for snow
08-30-2012 12:45 PM
davefr
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf View Post
Great info. I will get getting Duratracs if I swap wheels/tires - or when my ATs are finished.

You should get Silent Armors if your main concern is winter conditions. They're better for rain, ice and snow but are still good off road.

Duratracs are better for offroad, mud and rocks climbing but still do good in winter conditions.
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