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09-06-2012 10:55 AM
Imped What you need to do is dig in and discover WHY you need these things. You can get answers to your questions all day long but until you truly comprehend WHY, you won't really get it. And that comprehension and true understanding won't come until you get under your rig and start moving things around, cycling the suspension, and using your head.
09-06-2012 10:25 AM
jrussblues
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Originally Posted by Enemy

I'm starting to realize that

Are longer front bumpstops also necessary or rear only?

I thought I also read something about relocating the front shocks with any lift
Both, if you plan on running the front sway bar disconnected. If you plan on running it connected the sway bar will limit travel enough to keep you from damaging anything up front. The rear is a must and most quality kits include the rear.
09-06-2012 10:08 AM
Enemy
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Originally Posted by A_Jeeper View Post
It's a Jeep....you will never have all you need Once you start it never stops.

I'm starting to realize that

Are longer front bumpstops also necessary or rear only?

I thought I also read something about relocating the front shocks with any lift
09-06-2012 10:07 AM
A_Jeeper
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Originally Posted by Enemy View Post
Thank you both for the info, I come from the racing world and am new to the 4x4's.

So the 2" spacers, the body lift, engine lift, longer end links and longer bumpstops is all I need?
It's a Jeep....you will never have all you need Once you start it never stops.
09-06-2012 09:57 AM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by Enemy
Thank you both for the info, I come from the racing world and am new to the 4x4's.

So the 2" spacers, the body lift, engine lift, longer end links and longer bumpstops is all I need?
You don't "need" new end links, but it is helpful to have a set of quick disconnects if you plan on offroading alot.
09-06-2012 09:49 AM
Enemy Thank you both for the info, I come from the racing world and am new to the 4x4's.

So the 2" spacers, the body lift, engine lift, longer end links and longer bumpstops is all I need?
09-06-2012 08:58 AM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by Enemy View Post
So I know what SYE is (slip yoke eliminator) but not really sure what it does. How does adding the motor mount lift keep the rest of the drive line straight? Also does anything need to be done with the sway bar in regards to the lift?

Are longer front bump stops necessary when adding this lift or is the rear enough.
A MML lifts the engine up and tilts it back, in turn correcting the driveline angle at the t-case and makes it so you dont have to cut your fan shroud when added with a 1-1.25BL.

A sye is for non-rubicon models. What a sye does is it changes your out put shaft on the t-case to a fixed yoke instead of a output shaft that is also a cv. When doing this it corrects the driveline by adding a double cardan drive shaft thus making it to where the angle can be sharper. This mod is a must when lifting your tj over 3" or adding a tummy tuck.

The first pic is one of a stock output shaft with a stock drive shaft. The second one is a pic of a tcase that has had a sye and a double cardan cv shaft added.
09-06-2012 08:44 AM
jrussblues
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Originally Posted by Enemy

So I know what SYE is (slip yoke eliminator) but not really sure what it does. How does adding the motor mount lift keep the rest of the drive line straight? Also does anything need to be done with the sway bar in regards to the lift?

Are longer front bump stops necessary when adding this lift or is the rear enough.
The shaft that comes out of the rear of your transfer case is the where the yoke for your drive shaft would normally be. If you look at it, it is splined and the drive shaft attaches to it with a slip yoke then there is a u joint allowing only 2 pivot points. At higher angles that are produced from a lift the yokes can bind and the u joints burn out faster. A sye removes the shaft and replaces it with a ujoint yoke at the transfer case end. This allows two things. First it lessens the angle of the drive shaft and second it allows the use of a double cardan drive shaft. The DC drive shaft adds an additional u joint near the transfer case that reduces the angle on each u joint. This allows for higher operating angles on your drive shaft and reduces u joint wear. Additionally most DC drive shafts allow for more slip in the drive shaft itself which keeps the drive shaft from disconnecting in the middle on a trail.

Lifting the engine will lower the transfer case and point the rear yoke or shaft down toward the rear axle. It is a way of getting around adding a sye because it lowers the operating angle of the rear drive shaft enough to keep it from vibrating in some applications.

Longer bump stops are usually necessary. They are not noticed when on road but will keep you from tearing up fenders and shocks off road.

The sway bar end links typically need to be lengthened with a lift to allow the sway bar to operate properly. Many people add quick disconnects.
09-06-2012 08:21 AM
Enemy
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider View Post
This is the BB I'm running
Jeep Wrangler TJ 2

And this is the BL/MML if your interested in moving up to a 3.25 lift without a sye or t-case drop
Tom's 4x4 Superstore -
Tom's 4x4 Superstore -
So I know what SYE is (slip yoke eliminator) but not really sure what it does. How does adding the motor mount lift keep the rest of the drive line straight? Also does anything need to be done with the sway bar in regards to the lift?

Are longer front bump stops necessary when adding this lift or is the rear enough.
09-05-2012 10:21 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by Enemy View Post
can you guys post some links to these lifts? I need to also lift my 02 TJ, I want to go as high as I can without messing with drive lines etc.
This is the BB I'm running
Jeep Wrangler TJ 2

And this is the BL/MML if your interested in moving up to a 3.25 lift without a sye or t-case drop
Tom's 4x4 Superstore -
Tom's 4x4 Superstore -
09-05-2012 10:16 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by mickeygriffin View Post
I had no idea.... for the most part, I only Mud Bogg. Road Cycling is my main and other rediculously expensive hobby! My bicycle cost almost as much as my rig. Totally another different thread... Dont get me started, its a sensitive subject!
Well, heres some info if your intrested

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f70/pic...st-172037.html
09-05-2012 10:15 PM
Enemy can you guys post some links to these lifts? I need to also lift my 02 TJ, I want to go as high as I can without messing with drive lines etc.
09-05-2012 10:13 PM
mickeygriffin
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider View Post
Not trying to hijack the thread but are either of you going to Jeep fest in Jasper GA
I had no idea.... for the most part, I only Mud Bogg. Road Cycling is my main and other rediculously expensive hobby! My bicycle cost almost as much as my rig. Totally another different thread... Dont get me started, its a sensitive subject!
09-05-2012 09:59 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by mickeygriffin View Post
HAHAHAAA!!! You can say that again!! I mean..., think of what you can buy with a $600.

I got stroked to rear (if you know what i mean) for $200 to change a CPS!! Well $100 rather. The unit was 80somethg... I knew that was the problem too but I second guessed me self. I asked that guy how did he sleep at night!!!?
Yep I wish I still had the money I saved from doing it myself because I just fried my clock spring $215 for the part and my fan clutch is going out $50
09-05-2012 09:57 PM
CMA_Rider Not trying to hijack the thread but are either of you going to Jeep fest in Jasper GA
09-05-2012 09:56 PM
mickeygriffin
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider View Post
For both the BL and MML

But ya as soon as they said that I hung up the phone and called my friend and told him I'm buyin pizza
HAHAHAAA!!! You can say that again!! I mean..., think of what you can buy with a $600.

I got stroked to rear (if you know what i mean) for $200 to change a CPS!! Well $100 rather. The unit was 80somethg... I knew that was the problem too but I second guessed me self. I asked that guy how did he sleep at night!!!?
09-05-2012 09:53 PM
Kevin063
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Originally Posted by mickeygriffin
Kevin where are you in Atl? Im downtown.

A bit of advice... Spend you about $200bux or so on some basic tools. A jeep is a great way to learn some basics of how vehicles in general work. Not to mention, DIY is much, much more gratifying n rewarding once you've wipe your hands clean, pop a beer open n say, "I did that..." NOT TO MENTION.... Its definitely the way to go if you are on a budget!

2-3in lift kit- Around $400 bux
2-3in lift kit installation labor charge- SMH.... Ive seen them for over $800....!!
I'm really just south of Atlanta, in locust grove/ McDonough area.
09-05-2012 09:39 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by mickeygriffin View Post
Wowzers... $600 for a friggin BL...
For both the BL and MML

But ya as soon as they said that I hung up the phone and called my friend and told him I'm buyin pizza
09-05-2012 09:35 PM
mickeygriffin
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider View Post
x2

I was quoted about $500 for installation of $50 pucks and another $600 for body lift and motor mount lift
Wowzers... $600 for a friggin BL...
09-05-2012 09:23 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by mickeygriffin View Post
Kevin where are you in Atl? Im downtown.

A bit of advice... Spend you about $200bux or so on some basic tools. A jeep is a great way to learn some basics of how vehicles in general work. Not to mention, DIY is much, much more gratifying n rewarding once you've wipe your hands clean, pop a beer open n say, "I did that..." NOT TO MENTION.... Its definitely the way to go if you are on a budget!

2-3in lift kit- Around $400 bux
2-3in lift kit installation labor charge- SMH.... Ive seen them for over $800....!!
x2

I was quoted about $500 for installation of $50 pucks and another $600 for body lift and motor mount lift

Meanwhile I took a day out and installed the BB with a couple of $25 wrenches $300 jack and a set of $50 stands

and another day for the BL MML with a jack, a couple of wrenches and extensions

Its a whole lot cheaper and you get experience you will need in the future
09-05-2012 08:50 PM
mickeygriffin Kevin where are you in Atl? Im downtown.

A bit of advice... Spend you about $200bux or so on some basic tools. A jeep is a great way to learn some basics of how vehicles in general work. Not to mention, DIY is much, much more gratifying n rewarding once you've wipe your hands clean, pop a beer open n say, "I did that..." NOT TO MENTION.... Its definitely the way to go if you are on a budget!

2-3in lift kit- Around $400 bux
2-3in lift kit installation labor charge- SMH.... Ive seen them for over $800....!!
09-05-2012 05:00 PM
Kevin063
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Originally Posted by Bugeater View Post
I, too, have a '97 TJ 2.5L 5-speed.

My first wheel/tire upgrade was from 29" tires on the stock 15" wheels to 31" MT/Rs on 16" wheels. I then put a 3" Zone lift on.

I'm happy with the 3" Zone lift, but in retrospect I would rather have spent the money on a 1" lift and put the rest toward MetalCloak fenders.

My next big project is a re-gear from the stock 4.10s to 4.88s, followed by an upgrade to 33" tires on yet-to-be-determined new wheels.

Mine is a daily driver with lots of playing in the snow, but little opportunity for actual wheeling - although I'm building it for when that opportunity comes!!
Digging the fenders but i saw a thread where some guy cut his stock fenders down, looked pretty bad ass, and close to free lol.
There is soooooooo much i wanna do to my Jeep, but I'm in no kind of financial position for such projects. I see something new everyday and think "Hey, i wanna do th-....dammit" lol
09-05-2012 04:18 PM
Kevin063
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider

After the BB you'll have to get the front end aligned
regear depends on what tire size, transmission, and gear ratio you have right now.

You will need pb blaster or wd40, a good set of wrenches, a couple of jacks, jack stands, and if you put the bottle jack that comes with the jeep and put it between the lower control arm and the frame you wont need a spring compressor
Well allllll that just flew right over my head. I have no clue as to the gear ratios, hell I'm not even certain on my tires size Lol, its sad the limited knowledge I have on my own car. But, I'll do some research, tr to snag some good deals
09-05-2012 04:15 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by Kevin063

And I won't have to make many major, expensive mods afterwards? (I.e. regear, etc etc?) Honest to God, I know nothing about any of it. But I'm trying :P
After the BB you'll have to get the front end aligned
regear depends on what tire size, transmission, and gear ratio you have right now.

You will need pb blaster or wd40, a good set of wrenches, a couple of jacks, jack stands, and if you put the bottle jack that comes with the jeep and put it between the lower control arm and the frame you wont need a spring compressor
09-05-2012 04:10 PM
Kevin063
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider

You can do a 3.25 lift for less than $200
2bb $50 depending on the brand
1.25bl $100
1in mml $25
And I won't have to make many major, expensive mods afterwards? (I.e. regear, etc etc?) Honest to God, I know nothing about any of it. But I'm trying :P
09-05-2012 04:09 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by Kevin063

That sounds great!! My jeep s totally stock, I don't need to do anything before hand, right?
Nope, I took my time and finished the whole thing in about 2 days. Got the BB from fat bobs garage's ebay site, and got the bl & mml from toms4x4superstore.com

Before

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09-05-2012 04:02 PM
Kevin063
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider

You can do a 3.25 lift for less than $200
2bb $50 depending on the brand
1.25bl $100
1in mml $25
That sounds great!! My jeep s totally stock, I don't need to do anything before hand, right?
09-05-2012 03:56 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by Kevin063
I think I'm leaning more towards a 2.5 to 3 inch lift. It's more practical I think, and hopefully I won't have to do to much before hand. Granted, its gonna take me several months to save enough Lol, unfortunately it seems I'm looking at a Christmas gift to myself :P
I wish we got snow, hell, I wish I had anywhere to go. Just south of Atlanta, we don't get much of anything around here lol
You can do a 3.25 lift for less than $200
2bb $50 depending on the brand
1.25bl $100
1in mml $25
09-05-2012 03:52 PM
Kevin063 I think I'm leaning more towards a 2.5 to 3 inch lift. It's more practical I think, and hopefully I won't have to do to much before hand. Granted, its gonna take me several months to save enough Lol, unfortunately it seems I'm looking at a Christmas gift to myself :P
I wish we got snow, hell, I wish I had anywhere to go. Just south of Atlanta, we don't get much of anything around here lol
09-04-2012 09:06 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by JeepJT04
I have a 97 6cyl. Looking to lift. already sitting on 31s.
Is it bad to just get the 2inch spacers? I have heard its just a crappy way to lift. Who has experience in this?
Its not necessarily a bad thing more so a cheap way to gain 2in while retaining the stock ride quality
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