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12-31-2012 08:27 AM
Beastmaster
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 View Post
Ah but would you expect anything less?

I think your initial post did a good job conveying all the important details, and if it didn't your second post did. Everyone is always going to have opinions though.

Don't get me wrong, I love it. I just want to make sure the posts pass the "Mom test"

It's the good discussions on pros and cons that make this forum what it is.
12-28-2012 09:24 PM
GoldenSahara00 [QUOTE=Beastmaster;3153612]Wow folks, there have been some mighty fine opinions here. /QUOTE]

Ah but would you expect anything less?

I think your initial post did a good job conveying all the important details, and if it didn't your second post did. Everyone is always going to have opinions though.
12-28-2012 08:17 PM
blueskiesbill
Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyE2

Rock jumping ?
Rock/cliff jumping
12-28-2012 07:12 PM
Beastmaster Wow folks, there have been some mighty fine opinions here.

The purpose for the thread was merely a precautionary tale with some pics of some who has learned a valuable lesson. There have been times I have gone off-roading by myself but then I've been 4-wheeling since 1974. It's just a good idea to have someone else around to help if you get in trouble.

The trail we were on was not an exceptionally tough one and my friend and myself made it through the tight spot by going slow an cautious (as well as someone checking clearances).

The biggest thing I tell new drivers is to be aware of the limitations of both your vehicle and yourself.
12-28-2012 04:23 PM
Rubicon_Gil I remember when I was in the service, we used to go out into the boonies all the time alone on patrol. Four guys in a 1960's era hardtop M151 Jeep with bald tires and a trailer full of gear, five gallon can o' Mogas, a radio, and a map and we'd be doing a couple hundred miles of on road/off road patrolling. Today you have GPS's, Heaters and A/C, winches, Hi-Lift Jacks, Kevlar Impregnated tires, Cell Phones and CB's, etc. More than was in our BII (Basic Issue Inventory) .

Heck, It's OK to wheel as a group, but I wouldn't write off wheeling alone completely. It's not impossible.
12-28-2012 04:01 PM
EasyE2
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueskiesbill
There is no LAW stating you have to travel with someone. It is mostly a matter of common sense. If you have tools, a winch, supplies, etc and you feel comfortable, then go do it! Is it suggested by the Jeep/off-roading community, NO! But can you make your own choice, hell yea, and you have our founding fathers to thank for that.

It makes me think of a safety feature in skydiving called an AAD (automatic activation device). Basically an AAD measures the pressure to judge height and speed, and if you don't have a fall rate less then a certain amount by 1200' it cuts the strings holding your parachute in your rig. This one 'tool' is a topic of much controversy in the skydiving community. Some believe in it, and some don't. Some drop zones mandate them, others do not. Can you make a thousand jumps and never need one, hell yea! But what happens that one time you jump out with some dumb ass that does something stupid and kicks you in the jaw upon exit. You are now plummeting to the earth at 120 mph hoping that you wake up within 76 seconds (if jumping from 14,000') of exiting the plane so you can pull ur pilot chute. Now if you had an AAD then you will have 2 parachutes above your head by 1000' whether you came to yet or not.

I personally used one as I also always travel with someone when wheeling. But this is my choice.

I enjoy a lot of high risk sports: skydiving, wheeling, rock jumping, bridge jumping, waterfall jumping, white water rafting, rock/ice climbing, etc. these 'dangerous' sports can only be enjoyed if I take calculated risks within them that allow me to do it again tomorrow.

So I guess before traveling alone, ask yourself do I like doing this, would I like to do it tomorrow, would being safer today grant me more likely of a chance of doing it the next day, etc.

and please do not compare drivin to work, down the most dangerous road in the world, because unfortunately this is a different comparison; are you willing to risk your life driving down this highway to get back and forth to work or wherever it is you are going to add to your quality of life, most likely your choice of home. This is not a fair comparison to your 'hobby' quality of life.

Hope you get my point!
Rock jumping ?
12-28-2012 12:32 PM
Toobuff My wife and I live in Phoenix and we go out trail riding alone all the time. There are many great areas to explore around Phoenix. They all require a 20 to 60 mile drive down the freeway to get to them. The freeway part of our trips is by far the most dangerous. I always breath an inward sigh of relief when I exit the damn freeway and get to the trail. All the people in the world going with you will not mitigate the inherent danger of the freeway. Going 65 mph on an interstate hwy with a speed limit of 75 mph in a TJ is just plain dangerous and there isn't much you can do about it other than wear your seatbelts and pay attention. Breaking down on the trail, getting stuck, whatever, I'm prepared for that and can deal with it no problem. Keep in mind I'm talking about trail riding in areas that are frequented by many people. Not hardcore rock crawling, serious inclines, off camber, high risk kind of off road stuff - those kinds of things I would never do alone.
12-26-2012 01:57 PM
GoldenSahara00 I think you guys are confusing trail riding and wheeling, and that different people have different definitions of wheeling. For instance I would be doing a certain local hillclimb alone, ever. I have gotten stuck on it more than once and needed someone to winch me while I held the brakes 150ft in the air.

If you rollover and are knocked unconscious in the cold, say 15 degrees, and roll your jeep down into a ditch, and your laying there in the cold for the next couple days til someone finds you, I bet that's gona be fun. What if you can't reach your water, or your food, or what if you are injured and only immediate medical attention would save your life, but you are waiting for someone to find you by chance.

I don't think there is a single cover all answer whether you should wheel alone. Use discretion, and accept the consequences for your decisions. Above all, be safe, and have fun.

You guys were asking for examples, well there was a guy and two friends who went mudding after a big storm and were stuck in the mud in a big bog. The pipe was under water/mud and the cab filled with carbon monoxide and they died. If someone else had been wheeling with them and had seen them pass out there would have been a good chance they could have saved all their lives. I can try to find the article.
12-26-2012 01:45 PM
bloodfart
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Originally Posted by Stormeister
I appreciate someone's pointing out potential pitfalls, but does anyone actually die or anything? How often? How stupid were they?
Well, if you think about it, short of rolling into a ravine or rolling over in general, everything else is pretty tame... Even if you break something and need to hike a dozen miles, big deal....
If you go in places where you can fall off a cliff, then sure, otherwise gear and common sense are your best wingmen.
12-26-2012 11:54 AM
Bossmanx
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicondon53 View Post
It ranges from easy trail rides to really technical stuff.. Up in Canada it's mostly trail riding with the occasional mud , or off camber obstacles,, rocky mountains, whatever it takes, and Moab, my favorite place, can be a bit of everything,, 3 ft of water in salt creek, to very technical stuff up, over or around slick rock, deep sand, etc... I've some vids on YouTube using rubicondon04.. Bottom line,, I don't push the envelope too hard, I ask my jeep to do only what I know that it can..
Sweet vids
12-26-2012 11:52 AM
coolbreeze More enjoyable to wheel along than baby-sit the clueless.
12-26-2012 10:39 AM
blueskiesbill There is no LAW stating you have to travel with someone. It is mostly a matter of common sense. If you have tools, a winch, supplies, etc and you feel comfortable, then go do it! Is it suggested by the Jeep/off-roading community, NO! But can you make your own choice, hell yea, and you have our founding fathers to thank for that.

It makes me think of a safety feature in skydiving called an AAD (automatic activation device). Basically an AAD measures the pressure to judge height and speed, and if you don't have a fall rate less then a certain amount by 1200' it cuts the strings holding your parachute in your rig. This one 'tool' is a topic of much controversy in the skydiving community. Some believe in it, and some don't. Some drop zones mandate them, others do not. Can you make a thousand jumps and never need one, hell yea! But what happens that one time you jump out with some dumb ass that does something stupid and kicks you in the jaw upon exit. You are now plummeting to the earth at 120 mph hoping that you wake up within 76 seconds (if jumping from 14,000') of exiting the plane so you can pull ur pilot chute. Now if you had an AAD then you will have 2 parachutes above your head by 1000' whether you came to yet or not.

I personally used one as I also always travel with someone when wheeling. But this is my choice.

I enjoy a lot of high risk sports: skydiving, wheeling, rock jumping, bridge jumping, waterfall jumping, white water rafting, rock/ice climbing, etc. these 'dangerous' sports can only be enjoyed if I take calculated risks within them that allow me to do it again tomorrow.

So I guess before traveling alone, ask yourself do I like doing this, would I like to do it tomorrow, would being safer today grant me more likely of a chance of doing it the next day, etc.

and please do not compare drivin to work, down the most dangerous road in the world, because unfortunately this is a different comparison; are you willing to risk your life driving down this highway to get back and forth to work or wherever it is you are going to add to your quality of life, most likely your choice of home. This is not a fair comparison to your 'hobby' quality of life.

Hope you get my point!
12-26-2012 09:47 AM
Stormeister
How About A Satellite Phone?

I'm not looking for "permission", of course, but does anyone think it might be okay to be a little more cavalier if one has a satellite phone and money?

Just asking. I don't have either.
12-26-2012 08:59 AM
Stormeister
Do You Ever See A Jeeper Alone?

I mean before you got there and after you went separate ways?

I think I trail quite a bit, just not always the toughest, rock-crawling, jeep-crunching routes I can find, but I like to explore. Even in my pickup days I'd occasionally run across some alone jeeper out in the middle of nowhere. They're always about 60 years old with lots of gear, like maybe they're prospectors.

I've never run across a dead jeeper or a grave marker or even a campsite next to a wrecked jeep.

I appreciate someone's pointing out potential pitfalls, but does anyone actually die or anything? How often? How stupid were they?
12-24-2012 09:14 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by XJ Knight View Post
I have no sympothy for anyone who wheels alone and gets themselves in trouble. In fact it pisses me off. I don't care if you live in the east and are at a offroad park or live out west and are on a public trail loaded to camp, with survival gear, spare parts and tools, roof rack and all.. NEVER WHEEL ALONE!!!
12-24-2012 08:41 AM
bloodfart
Quote:
Originally Posted by XJ Knight
I have no sympothy for anyone who wheels alone and gets themselves in trouble. In fact it pisses me off. I don't care if you live in the east and are at a offroad park or live out west and are on a public trail loaded to camp, with survival gear, spare parts and tools, roof rack and all.. NEVER WHEEL ALONE!!!
Yeah, lets be so paranoid that we never even drive on the highways alone anymore! seriously, what if somethings happens while you are on an empty stretvh of road withno cellphone coverage???


I think you're waaaay overstating the danger. What could happen to us on a regular forest road other than say a flat tire?? If you go out on some badass trails then SURE, bring a friend, but why should i always bring someone if most of my trails are light, and i mostly just explore the wilderness?
12-24-2012 01:39 AM
KC10Chief I can't believe some of these people are worried about going out alone in their Jeep. Most people don't want to go out as often or to as many places as I want to. Gotta use some common sense and carry some gear. Pilots do it all the time. Here in Alaska, I fly into more remote areas than you could ever get ANY Jeep into. If my engine quits in the plane, I'd be in a little more trouble than somebody in a Jeep.
12-23-2012 02:31 PM
i-Zapp you're my kind of guy Rubi. great reply. would be interested in your advice on a trip i'm planning... http://www.wranglerforum.com/f23/nee...ab-206914.html
09-06-2012 09:33 PM
parrot Agree also. Great post
08-14-2012 10:53 AM
BAP +2
and yes very well said.
08-14-2012 10:22 AM
3JKs1H1
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Originally Posted by Rubicondon53 View Post
That's great advise for a ton of people and their off road machines. But just not for everyone.. That roof rack comes in mighty handy for lots of things, like an extra spare tire, extra water and extra gas, in addition to the 20 gallons and 15 gallons that we normally carry. It's also a great place to mount our shade awning from, for those really hot days.. We and many many others do not seek your sympathy, nor do we understand your anger.. To each his own... I'm sure that the German couple and scores of others would simply raise an eyebrow at your advise.. My advise,,, don't wheel alone, unless you are very much prepared for the worst case scenario. Don't get me wrong, I've wheeled with others countless times, and had a blast... Ask those same folks, as I have done, if they would join us on our excursions to Canada or out west?? Well, so far no takers.. Be good, have fun, be safe.. Out....
+1
Very well said.
08-14-2012 10:05 AM
Rubicondon53 That's great advise for a ton of people and their off road machines. But just not for everyone.. That roof rack comes in mighty handy for lots of things, like an extra spare tire, extra water and extra gas, in addition to the 20 gallons and 15 gallons that we normally carry. It's also a great place to mount our shade awning from, for those really hot days.. We and many many others do not seek your sympathy, nor do we understand your anger.. To each his own... I'm sure that the German couple and scores of others would simply raise an eyebrow at your advise.. My advise,,, don't wheel alone, unless you are very much prepared for the worst case scenario. Don't get me wrong, I've wheeled with others countless times, and had a blast... Ask those same folks, as I have done, if they would join us on our excursions to Canada or out west?? Well, so far no takers.. Be good, have fun, be safe.. Out....
08-14-2012 06:08 AM
XJ Knight I have no sympothy for anyone who wheels alone and gets themselves in trouble. In fact it pisses me off. I don't care if you live in the east and are at a offroad park or live out west and are on a public trail loaded to camp, with survival gear, spare parts and tools, roof rack and all.. NEVER WHEEL ALONE!!!
08-14-2012 05:43 AM
BAP now thats what im talking about--adventure without being stupid..

way to go, i wish my wife was into that....
08-13-2012 10:35 PM
Con Artist
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicondon53 View Post
It ranges from easy trail rides to really technical stuff.. Up in Canada it's mostly trail riding with the occasional mud , or off camber obstacles,, rocky mountains, whatever it takes, and Moab, my favorite place, can be a bit of everything,, 3 ft of water in salt creek, to very technical stuff up, over or around slick rock, deep sand, etc... I've some vids on YouTube using rubicondon04.. Bottom line,, I don't push the envelope too hard, I ask my jeep to do only what I know that it can..
Cool, I'll check out the vids.
08-13-2012 10:25 PM
Rubicondon53
Quote:
Originally Posted by Con Artist

How harsh are the excursions you're going on? Are you doing serious wheeling or are you basically just climbing up a few light trails to the top of a mountain?
It ranges from easy trail rides to really technical stuff.. Up in Canada it's mostly trail riding with the occasional mud , or off camber obstacles,, rocky mountains, whatever it takes, and Moab, my favorite place, can be a bit of everything,, 3 ft of water in salt creek, to very technical stuff up, over or around slick rock, deep sand, etc... I've some vids on YouTube using rubicondon04.. Bottom line,, I don't push the envelope too hard, I ask my jeep to do only what I know that it can..
08-13-2012 10:14 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Rubicondon53 View Post
Ah the debate rages on... We go out, alone, a lot . We have for decades.. We are both 50 something's, and in very good health, and we have plenty of cells between our ears... Two years ago in Moab we visited with a couple in their 80 series Landcruiser, German plates, 33" rubber, 3" lift, snorkel, and a diesel tdi, etc etc.. They were on a five year tour around the world,,, drove from Germany to India, shipped to Australia, spent a year there, outback, and all, shipped to Argentina, drove to Moab where we met them.. They were spending 3 months in the 4 corners region, as they were winding their way north using many sections of the Great Western Trail to end up in Alaska 10 months later for the summer,, then east to Halifax, and then ship home to Germany.. All alone... Quite an inspiration for my wife and I, as we plan on Alaska one day, after we have explored much of the western lower 48... Foolish? I think not. Adventurous? Definitely....

Proper gear, proper safety equipment and kit, personal locator beacon, topo maps, old fashioned compass, CB radio, tools, spare parts, winter gear, etc etc... the list is huge of the things we carry on board, along with enough food and water to last at least 7 days,, two weeks if we must ration.. And appointment times to call our family.. We have a blast doing it, and we have a blast without being stupid about it... Stupidity will kill you... However, on occasion, we do go out with others, and have just as much fun doing that as well.. So really,,, if you're careful, treat your equipment and yourself with respect, keep your equipment maintained, and have the good sense to turn back when you should,, who's gonna get ya? The boogeyman ???
How harsh are the excursions you're going on? Are you doing serious wheeling or are you basically just climbing up a few light trails to the top of a mountain?
08-13-2012 09:58 PM
Rubicondon53 Ah the debate rages on... We go out, alone, a lot . We have for decades.. We are both 50 something's, and in very good health, and we have plenty of cells between our ears... Two years ago in Moab we visited with a couple in their 80 series Landcruiser, German plates, 33" rubber, 3" lift, snorkel, and a diesel tdi, etc etc.. They were on a five year tour around the world,,, drove from Germany to India, shipped to Australia, spent a year there, outback, and all, shipped to Argentina, drove to Moab where we met them.. They were spending 3 months in the 4 corners region, as they were winding their way north using many sections of the Great Western Trail to end up in Alaska 10 months later for the summer,, then east to Halifax, and then ship home to Germany.. All alone... Quite an inspiration for my wife and I, as we plan on Alaska one day, after we have explored much of the western lower 48... Foolish? I think not. Adventurous? Definitely....

Proper gear, proper safety equipment and kit, personal locator beacon, topo maps, old fashioned compass, CB radio, tools, spare parts, winter gear, etc etc... the list is huge of the things we carry on board, along with enough food and water to last at least 7 days,, two weeks if we must ration.. And appointment times to call our family.. We have a blast doing it, and we have a blast without being stupid about it... Stupidity will kill you... However, on occasion, we do go out with others, and have just as much fun doing that as well.. So really,,, if you're careful, treat your equipment and yourself with respect, keep your equipment maintained, and have the good sense to turn back when you should,, who's gonna get ya? The boogeyman ???
08-11-2012 09:12 PM
BAP just like hunting, camping or anything else that you enjoy by yourself or dont have anyone that is into your activity at least let others know where you will be and when you will be back..you can never be too safe ...and i understand about alone time while off roading...i live in the backwoods of ky and to some our driveway would be a need another buddy in his 4 wheeldrive situation..lol
08-11-2012 08:42 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Stormeister View Post

Then again, everybody from the photos and stories made it out okay. Too bad about the vehicle damage but additional vehicles wouldn't have prevented that.
I hear NASA are currently working on a prevention for stupidity.
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