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11-04-2008 05:02 PM
richp you mean 'roll up your sleeves' like this
11-04-2008 04:45 PM
Joe Dirt I almost feel sorry for President Obama. He has NO chance of ever accomplishing all the bull he has promised everyone to get where he is. Usually, when that happens the president can blame congress, Senate. Not this time. In 4 years the people will butcher him for it. Good luck Barry, you're going to need it.
11-04-2008 04:32 PM
rketr AAUUGGHH!!

I can't wait till tomorrow so all this crap will start to cease!


Whoever wins, as previously mentioned, must be held to at least trying to make things better.

Will McCain make things better? Dunno, he'll try.

Will Obama make things better? Really dunno(!), there's no track record to relate to.

Will I support them? I agree with Tiny, they work for me (and you, and you). As long as they are pushing things in the right direction, then yes I'll support them. Otherwise I feel it is my duty to do my little part and voice concerns about their efforts (or lack therein).
11-04-2008 04:29 PM
2much
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
My guess is that all those promises will be conveniently forgotten.
If Obama gets elected, that would be the best thing that could happen!

As far as backing the next president, I will always back our country, but I will not stand behind a man who I do not agree with on a political, personal, or moral level. I will not back a man, who I feel does not have the best interest of this country and ALL of its citizens (including the wealthy, babies, etc, not just disenfranchised minorities) at the center of his actions. So no, I will not fall in line behind Obama... Also, while yes we all have to work to save our country, I will not role my sleeves up and blindly work towards and outcome which I do not agree with or I feel is not favorable for myself or my country. I will not be, in a sense, Obama's pawn, I buy into the idea of America whole heartedly, unfortunatley I am not as enthused about some of our leaders.
11-04-2008 04:10 PM
txjustin
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
^ I don't think the bailout has earmarks. It is more of a blank check. However McCain has always been pro deregulation, and I have not heard him defend that position throughout the campaign.
It does, in fact it has a lot of earmarks. I will give McCain credit for not wanting to accept it with earmarks, but he stated that the economy is on the brink of collapse so he did.
11-04-2008 04:08 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by txjustin View Post
Also, I thought McCain was against earmarks? Why, then, did he so adamently push the bailout package with so many earmarks?
He tried to broker a compromise to get the bill passed. Both candidates did. To oppose it would have caused a deadlock and McCain believed it was necessary.
Politics is all about compromise, sometimes you have to do things you don't agree with to accomplish things you feel are important.

For the record, I oppose the bailout.
11-04-2008 04:07 PM
jupiterboy
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He didn't compromise, he voted against a bill he disagreed with.
I disagree. I know what the official statements said, and I also know what he said in the ramp up to that vote. I think he did what was politically expedient, and that he well knows that language about what the CIA can do is extremely weak. Could you imagine anyone in the CIA being prosecuted based on that stated standard? It would take years of precedent to even roughly define it.
11-04-2008 04:03 PM
jupiterboy
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Originally Posted by orange05tj View Post
Then we can come back here and get free stuff, drive ford exploders with Pennsylvania plates. get fake Oregon licenses, take all the jobs that Americans dont want to do, have 15 free babies at the best hospitals, take all the cash we made and run back to Mexico and buy a big farm. Thats the American dream
And get your a$$ thrown in jail for pot whenever whitey needs his job back.
11-04-2008 04:02 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
So why did McCain compromise on torture. That was a total surprise. I know it was "just the CIA" but that is so his issue.

I think it would be a much tighter race had he been more himself, or his persona, or whatever.
He didn't compromise, he voted against a bill he disagreed with.

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Mr. McCain, who was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, has led the battle in recent years on a number of bills to end torture by the United States. He said he voted against the bill Wednesday because legislation he had helped to pass already prohibits the C.I.A. from “cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment.”

Mr. McCain, of Arizona, said he believed it would be a mistake to limit C.I.A. interrogators to using only those techniques that were enumerated in the Field Manual, which he noted was a public document.

“When we passed the Military Commissions Act, we said that the C.I.A. should have the ability to use additional techniques,” Mr. McCain told reporters Friday in Oshkosh, Wis. “None of those techniques would entail violating the Detainee Treatment Act, which said that cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment are prohibited.”
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Mr. McCain, according to a Senate aide of his, believes that while the C.I.A. should be — and is — prohibited from using cruel and inhumane and degrading tactics, it should have the flexibility to use acceptable tactics that are not listed in the Field Manual.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us...17torture.html
For the record, I disagree with his stance on water boarding.
11-04-2008 04:01 PM
orange05tj
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Originally Posted by jgano23 View Post
lets all move to mexico. there's great offroading there i hear. cancun here we come.
Then we can come back here and get free stuff, drive ford exploders with Pennsylvania plates. get fake Oregon licenses, take all the jobs that Americans dont want to do, have 15 free babies at the best hospitals, take all the cash we made and run back to Mexico and buy a big farm. Thats the American dream
11-04-2008 04:00 PM
jupiterboy ^ I don't think the bailout has earmarks. It is more of a blank check. However McCain has always been pro deregulation, and I have not heard him defend that position throughout the campaign.
11-04-2008 03:47 PM
txjustin Also, I thought McCain was against earmarks? Why, then, did he so adamently push the bailout package with so many earmarks?
11-04-2008 03:43 PM
jupiterboy So why did McCain compromise on torture. That was a total surprise. I know it was "just the CIA" but that is so his issue.

I think it would be a much tighter race had he been more himself, or his persona, or whatever.
11-04-2008 03:41 PM
txjustin Not really because I never had a point. If it makes you feel better to keep backing McCain...go for it. But after tonight, most likely, he will fade back out of the spotlight.
11-04-2008 03:33 PM
skeeter Want to have a contest to see who can prove their point without resorting to childish comments like that?
11-04-2008 03:27 PM
txjustin Lol, ok chief
11-04-2008 03:20 PM
skeeter Yes, McCain has a documented history of doing, or at least trying to do what he says. Obama does not.
11-04-2008 03:03 PM
txjustin
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
Cancun's a dump. Let's move to Panama!! Bocas Del Toro here we come!! Even though I voted against him, I think Obama is going to win this election. I'm not happy about it, but technically he'll be my new boss when he takes over from GW. I don't have to back him......he's here for us, and I think we should put him on the hotplate like all the Democrats have been doing to GW and McCain and see if he comes through with a single campaign promise. My guess is that all those promises will be conveniently forgotten.
Conversely, do you think McCain would/will back any of his campaign promises?
11-04-2008 02:41 PM
cavediverjc Cancun's a dump. Let's move to Panama!! Bocas Del Toro here we come!! Even though I voted against him, I think Obama is going to win this election. I'm not happy about it, but technically he'll be my new boss when he takes over from GW. I don't have to back him......he's here for us, and I think we should put him on the hotplate like all the Democrats have been doing to GW and McCain and see if he comes through with a single campaign promise. My guess is that all those promises will be conveniently forgotten.
11-04-2008 02:36 PM
jgano23 lets all move to mexico. there's great offroading there i hear. cancun here we come.
11-04-2008 02:33 PM
Darton Funny they say that. How many of "them" are backing G. W. Bush right now? He's still the President.
11-04-2008 02:32 PM
whitebuffalo Voting Machines Elect One Of Their Own As President | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

id back this up
11-04-2008 02:16 PM
ygohome depending on who it is, I'm taking my jeep and moving to the bahamas. lol. maybe I'll take a life vest too for the huricane season.
11-04-2008 02:03 PM
4point
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Originally Posted by txjustin View Post
We need more people who think like this...I know i do
I am far from an political activist. I spend what little time and money i have on defending the rights of my interest.
11-04-2008 01:47 PM
txjustin
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Originally Posted by whiteyj View Post
It doesn't matter which candidate ends up in office. We as a country are in a pretty screwed position. The sooner everyone just sucks it up, shuts up, rolls up their sleeves, and asks, "What the hell can I do to help?" the sooner we can pull together and work ourselves out of this economic and political mess.
We need more people who think like this...I know i do
11-04-2008 01:23 PM
Barrie I will up to the point I feel my civil libertys' are being infringed upon.
11-04-2008 12:54 PM
richp
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Originally Posted by tiny terror View Post
Plus, he works for me, so, he needs to have my back, not the other way around.
That is the problem, in a nutshell, from the federal right on down to the county levels in the US now and in quite a few cases the local town govt too.
11-04-2008 12:41 PM
tiny terror Back him how? Once he's elected, he should still be held up to the scrutiny EVERY elected official deserves. Plus, he works for me, so, he needs to have my back, not the other way around.
11-04-2008 12:37 PM
jupiterboy Backing is a funny term. The country was built on second-guessing authority and expressing dissent. I don't see any reason to stop. We should, however, keep a constructive sense about our destruction.
11-04-2008 12:35 PM
kEat I might not agree with whoever gets elected, but he's still my boss.
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