|10-03-2012 07:59 AM|
|TonkaJeep82||Appreciate it. Thanks! Will do. I'm thinking 4.88 will work best for me. 5.13 maybe to much.|
|10-02-2012 08:25 PM|
|10-01-2012 05:32 AM|
|TonkaJeep82||I am, but ill get it sorted out. Nanook confused me.|
|09-30-2012 05:44 PM|
|09-30-2012 05:33 PM|
|TonkaJeep82||Ok, so what r ur suggestions as far as my jeep and me towing, and regearing.|
|09-30-2012 07:08 AM|
If you Jeep isnt geared correctly and you a driving up a hill it will bog down. It wont work harder. It does work harder when you downshift which goes back to my point.
|09-29-2012 09:54 PM|
|pluke the 2||I agree with MTH. That chip is snake oil.|
|09-29-2012 09:41 PM|
|09-29-2012 08:13 PM|
|TonkaJeep82||Can u explain a Lil more? About the gforce??|
|09-29-2012 12:25 PM|
|09-29-2012 12:01 PM|
|TonkaJeep82||Ok, my birthday was yesterday and my girlfriend got me a "G-Force" computer chip specifically for the 07 wrangler. It looks to be an easy install, only two wires. I don't know anything about this product. Anybody have any info on this product. Likes, dislikes?|
|09-29-2012 11:50 AM|
|TonkaJeep82||Very helpful info. Thankyou! I called a shop And set up a time for them to do it, they r saying they will have jeep for approx. 3days and an estimated price for the project is around 1700.00 is this about right for the project give or take a few hundred. Also, I will hold off on any exhaust mods for now, until I can do the whole thing front to back, again thanks for all your help.|
|09-29-2012 08:48 AM|
|Imped||Unless you're setting up the gears yourself, and I doubt you are, have the shop doing the work purchase them.|
|09-28-2012 02:39 PM|
However, in 2007, you were able to order an "offroad package" on the Sport that gave you D44 fronts and rears, I believe. Not sure if that was available on the Sahara. To further complicate matters, a handful of early 2007 JKs came with the old D35 rear axle.
So it's hard to know just what you've got without knowing more than merely it's a 2007 Sahara. If you register your VIN on jeep's website, you should be able to download your build sheet and confirm your axles.
Also, I would use Q-tec and the like to price various gear sets, but I wouldn't order them. You're going to need a shop to do this work (it's complicated), and the usual advice is to let the shop order the gears they recommend (provided they give you a fair price) so that the shop can't weasel out of any warranty issues by asserting that YOU ordered crappy gears.
|09-28-2012 01:24 PM|
|TonkaJeep82||Also as far as the gears go, do I need the same front and rear? Or just replace the rear?|
|09-28-2012 01:23 PM|
|TonkaJeep82||Another question, when ordering my 4.88 gears from Quadratec, it says for a Dana 44 rear axle? Is that what I have? Stock? I do not have a Rubicon. I thought the Dana 44 only came stock on Rubicons. If that's not what I have, what would I have and what or how do I order the gears. My jeep is however a Sahara. Also looking to buy an exhaust system. Looking at borla cat back system, any reviews or suggestions on this product?|
|09-28-2012 07:04 AM|
Your crawl ratio right now is 4.46 (NSG370 first gear) x 3.21 (diff ratio) x 2.72 (NP231 low range ratio) = 39:1
It will increase to almost 60:1 with 4.88 gears and a bit over 62:1 with 5.13 gears. With 4.88 gears you'll crawl 54% slower than you do now....I can tell you from experience that in 4 low, you won't (and shouldn't) ever touch the clutch unless you're coming to a complete stop. It will take you a while to break the habit and realize how little you actually need to touch the clutch. A good driver will look like he's driving an auto with a properly geared manual-equipped rig.
You're gonna be spinning significantly higher RPM's at highway speed whichever way you go. 5.13's will set you up for 37's if you plan to go that route in the future and will make towing very nice. 4.88's will be no slouch at all and would work fine for you.
|09-27-2012 08:20 PM|
|TonkaJeep82||So ur thinking I'd be better off with 4.88's or 5.13's ? Will either one of those help me also if I decide to do some wheeling, I'm guessing from what I gathered so far, my low end torq will be great also... ? Cuz it sucks now, I tried doin some wheeling and I've gotta burn the hell out of the clutch to get it to climb. Hence, I don't wheel as often as I have in my older jeeps, in the past.|
|09-27-2012 07:57 PM|
|Imped||5th is 1:1, 6th is .84. You have 3.21 gears like I suspected. You'll be in love with proper gears.|
|09-27-2012 01:44 PM|
|TonkaJeep82||Ok, on my way home today, I payed attention to my speed and rpms, at 70mph in 5th I was running at approx. 2200rpm, at 70 in 6th I was running approx. 1800rpm. I'm not sure of the gears I have now, I know it is all factory. Thankyou for clearing up my confusion on the gears, I'm starting to understand now. To be honest, I know auto body, I'm not to knowledgeable on the mechanics of a vehicle, but Im willing to learn, so Thankyou for helping me along.|
|09-27-2012 11:25 AM|
First off, you're making the incorrect assumption that more RPM's = hotter operating temperature. What you're not taking into account is the fact that the engine is working harder now than it will be when you've got the proper diff gear ratio installed. Right now, your engine has less leverage on the tires and the towing load due to the higher gear ratio. With 4.88/5.13's, the engine will have to work less because it will have more leverage thanks to the mechanical advantage provided by lower gears. Less work = less heat. So that's a non issue.
As for 4.88 vs. 5.13 when not towing, the difference is 5%.....not much. If 4.88's aren't too low, neither are 5.13's. You'll be sitting at around 2800 RPM @ 65mph with 5.13's vs.~1700 RPM now (assuming you have 3.21 gears). You say you drive in the 70-80mph range......trying to push a brick-shaped vehicle through the air at those speeds will have a more drastic effect on fuel mileage than running @ 3k RPM. Your 3.8 is perfectly happy at those RPM's and truthfully, at those speeds, it needs to be up there in order to efficiently move you. Lugging the engine is much worse than spinning a couple hundred extra RPM's.
|09-27-2012 11:16 AM|
On the highway--assuming your tires are really 34"--I'd expect you'd be at just about exactly 3000 RPMs at 70 mph with 5.13s. That's too much for me, but for you maybe not. Get out on the highway or another open road and get going at a reasonable speed and stay in whatever gear gets you at about 3000 RPMs. Now imagine that's your RPMs on the highway when you're doing 70 mph during any trip or commute you may have, and there's nowhere to upshift to (i.e., there's no "7th gear"). That's what it'll be like.
|09-27-2012 11:05 AM|
|TonkaJeep82||As opposed to 4.88's?|
|09-27-2012 11:04 AM|
|TonkaJeep82||How are 5.13's gonna work for me, for normal everyday driving on highway and on backroads? As far as torq, speed, power, and mpg. When not towing..?|
|09-27-2012 10:59 AM|
|TonkaJeep82||I appreciate all the info and I'm leaning towards 4.88 but I'm goin to do some highway driving this wknd and do some calculations, now I'm thinking I'm between 4.88 and 5.13... I do like to drive between 70-80 on the highway when not towing. When I am towing, 5th and 6th gears are very difficult to hold cuz of slight hills on the highway, therefore I'm almost always stuck doin. Between 50-60 on the highway unless I downshift to 4th, but only when towing. And in 4th gear on the highway, I feel uncomfortable, as if I'm working the engine to hard. Large hills off the highway, I'm running 2nd 3rd gears goin up and again, I feel I'm working the jeep to hard, so let's say I change the gears. Then I need to keep the engine cool, should I go for heat reduction hood with snorkel, exhaust, supercharger?? Not sure what direction to go. This is my only vehicle and I drive it daily to work, then also haul camper on the wknds... Again any help is appreciated! Thanks|
|09-27-2012 10:49 AM|
I'll hold out my lone vote that he should at least consider 4.56s for the reasons I set out above. But no doubt 4.88s are the most common recommendation.
|09-27-2012 10:26 AM|
|mrbullitt||RIPP makes a Nice Supercharger System|
|09-27-2012 10:11 AM|
|Imped||You want 4.88's at a minimum. 5.13's would make you happy when towing. Don't even consider 4.56 gears.|
|09-27-2012 10:08 AM|
|pluke the 2||4.88s without a doubt. if it was my rig i'd put in 513s. just me|
|09-27-2012 09:54 AM|
4.56 are ok if you never want to go bigger than 33's. I say its a waste cause most people once they start modifying their Jeep go to 33 then 35 with your 4.56 being no good for the new 35's. I got 5.13 in my auto trans and at 70 mph I am at about 2400 rpm, IMO a manual with 35's should be one numerically lower gear set, 4.88.
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