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07-22-2014 10:24 PM
tc416 Hi all,

I have a 2014 with a base 130 system. No amp, no sub, no BT. So, I am replacing the HU with a Pioneer x950BH (great discount) mainly to get BT. I would like to get better sounds without adding an amp (trying to save some $) and wondering if it's worthwhile at all to replace the speakers without an amp? Car audio shops suggest that the Pioneer HU without an amp, my choice of speakers should be limited to those with a 40W RMS or less.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
08-09-2013 05:04 PM
honda400ex81 Stay away from any OEM option. Wither its BOSE, JBL, Kicker, Infiniti, Harmon Kardon, ect they are all made of the same cheap materials. These materials, made mostly of paper and plastic, are terrible materials to reproduce frequencies from 20-20k hz. The factory setups are notched and filtered to not reproduce certain frequencies that would be detrimental to the speaker, due to construction. Therefor, your not getting a full bandwidth of sound (20-20k hz) So any OEM option you go with just simpily will not give you a full sound unless you install some sort of Digital Sound Processor (Audison Bit One, Mosconi, Rockford 360) to correct the eq curve of the OEM radio and Amp. And at this point you would still have to replace the spekaers with something better than an OEM option to actually reproduce the signal well. Hope this helps!
08-08-2013 02:48 PM
JPi4.0
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Originally Posted by loudvegas View Post
Can some of you guys post some pictures of your install. I'm torn on a sub as I have a Sport and there is NO ROOM to put the darn thing anywhere.

I may be building some MDF enclousures to go under the front seats for JL W3 6.5" subs.
Not quite enough air volume but works ok. Thinking about porting.
08-08-2013 02:43 PM
loudvegas Can some of you guys post some pictures of your install. I'm torn on a sub as I have a Sport and there is NO ROOM to put the darn thing anywhere.

I may be building some MDF enclousures to go under the front seats for JL W3 6.5" subs.
07-30-2013 10:25 AM
mycaptainchris
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I now have the Kenwood 890HD, Backup camera and Pioneers all around and now the stock amp and sub have to go.

The Kenwood has an amazing sound processor which really works the sub, so low volume is great. Unfortunately there is no way you can crank it without some eq twaeking. The pioneers are great, super clear although I have a small rattle on the front passenger side I need to check.

I'm going to go for a new sub and amp next, sticking with 8" probably 2 ohm and approx 300 watts.

I'm eyeing up the Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4 for the pioneers as it will fit nicely behind the dash. Has anyone tried this amp?
06-30-2013 05:33 PM
mycaptainchris So I have now fitted the pioneers in the soundbar, standard headunit and fronts still to do. I also poly filed.
First impression is VERY nice highs and mids but the lows about the same. Perhaps they will get better when they are run in a bit.
I will fit the same pioneers in the front this week and report.

I have to say that the factory alpines I removed are the best factory speakers I've seen to date.
06-24-2013 03:04 PM
bigkevj I was actually looking at the stealth box from JL and a 10" sub in that....but a friend told me to try this 8" sub he had just put in another jeep, and it accomplished what I needed, for about the cost of the stealth box w/o the sub.
06-24-2013 10:52 AM
st1264 I always opted for at least a 10" sub... maybe the 8" subs are better now, but JL Audio was always my choice. You can always put a custom enclosure back there and not have to be limited to an 8" subwoofer.
06-24-2013 10:36 AM
ahsumtoy
Won't Fit

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Originally Posted by dalfiduk View Post
Im thinking installating the same kind of setup but do you think that a Jl audio sub 10w1 will fit in your opinion in the alpine oem enclosure?

Thk
Only an 8" sub will fit. But I can tell you this. I put in the JL 8" W1V2 sub-woofer (cost about $125) and it rocks. It will pound the heck out of you if you want it to. I don't think it's worth it to go bigger unless all you want to hear is that boom.
06-24-2013 08:42 AM
bigkevj If you dont replace the Head unit first, no reason to do much with speakers. I dont think you will hear much difference just replacing the speakers alone. I have a 13 JK Sahara, and replaced the Head Unit with a Kenwood 6190hd. Also replaced my dash and sound bar speakers with Polk's. And last, ran a Rockford Amp to the Sub, and replaced it with a Rockford 8"...I thought it sounded the best of all the 8" subs I heard. A little Polyfill and Dynamat and I would say it sounds pretty darn good now....
06-24-2013 06:51 AM
mycaptainchris
Here we go!!!!

So the stereo build has started on my 10a:

I've just ordered Pioneer TS-A1675R 6.5" 3-Way Speakers from crutchfield.

I know everyone loves the kickers but if you compare the frequency response of the pioneers to the kickers I decided the Pioneers would work better.

Next the HU, backup camera.
06-20-2013 05:47 PM
darticus
2013 jeep moab audio upgrade help

2013 jeep moab audio upgrade help
The Moab comes with the premium alpine 368 watt, 6 speaker, 1 subwoofer set up. I think it needs more bass and need suggestions. I like the Select Increments 40473SL - Select Increments Stealth-Pod with 10" Subwoofer and Amplifier for 76-13 Jeep® CJ-7, CJ-8 Scrambler, Wrangler YJ, TJ, JK & Unlimited - Quadratec
subwoofer with amp but how easy would it be to wire in? Would it just connect to the subwoofer wire thats in there on the subwoofer? Anyone know how to get to the subwoofer wire. Anyone ever hear this subwoofer before. Could use some help. What is a mopar kicker thats offered? Thanks Ron
05-29-2013 09:10 PM
3TimeOwner bolted it to the case on the existing infinity amp.
05-28-2013 09:43 PM
formula96
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Originally Posted by 3TimeOwner View Post
I put an 8" excelon sub in the stock enclosure, with a rockford fosgate amp to power it. More than enough sub -- it vibrates the back window and top. 300 watts bridged to the single coil... WAAAAA boomin
Where did u put the added amp?
05-28-2013 08:30 PM
woansleftpeg There are some really good 8" subs out there at very reasonable prices, even JL have one whose price tag doesn't make me want to puke (and several that do). Alpine have an excellent 8" sub that hits 350W RMS, a Jeep is never going to be carrying competition standard audio and 350W is more than enough power for 99% of people. My buddy has the Alpine in his Tacoma and it kicks like a mule.
05-28-2013 08:22 PM
3TimeOwner I put an 8" excelon sub in the stock enclosure, with a rockford fosgate amp to power it. More than enough sub -- it vibrates the back window and top. 300 watts bridged to the single coil... WAAAAA boomin
05-28-2013 08:21 PM
woansleftpeg If you're going to create a custom fiberglass extension to the factory box you might as well create a custom enclosure and do the job properly, I think. Building with fiberglass isn't as hard as you might think, but it's really messy and takes some skill to make it look really professional - certainly more than I have. MDF/plywood, silicon sealant and auto carpet is much easier.
05-28-2013 08:15 PM
panthermark Someone one another site once created a 10" factory sub opening out of the stock 8" opening. It was awesome, and while he said it wasn't that hard....it looked HARD to me. Something about homemade fiberglass...which he said wasn't that hard to do...but I'm not going to try it.

So basically, outside of fabricating you own custom enclosure...yeah...you are stuck with an 8" sub.
05-28-2013 07:54 PM
woansleftpeg
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Originally Posted by dalfiduk View Post
Im thinking installating the same kind of setup but do you think that a Jl audio sub 10w1 will fit in your opinion in the alpine oem enclosure?

Thk
No. Only an 8" will fit, partly because the hole is designed for an 8" and partly because the box isn't big enough to provide the volume necessarily for the sub to work to its full capabilities.
05-28-2013 07:00 PM
dalfiduk
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Originally Posted by ahsumtoy View Post
I just bought my 2013 Wrangler Unlimted JK in the Oscar/Mike Package. I love this Jeep but when I turned on the radio, I couldn't believe how bad the speakers sounded. This Jeep came with the upgraded Alpine Premium Sound System with 7 speakers, including the Alpine Subwoofer in the back which you really can't control or hear. The head unit is the 130 system. After reading many forums on this, many people replaced their 4 speakers with 6 1/2 Kickers. I have a friend who did this and yes it sounded a little better than the stock speakers but not what I wanted. This is what I put in and it rocks. It is a hundred times better than the original and I kept the original 130 Head Unit. I listen to Rock, Hip Hop, Pop, and some Country and they all sound GREAT. This addition cost about $1200, not cheap but worth it. Now my Jeep is Super. I can crank up the music and the speakers do not distort at all, and I mean really crank it up.

Replaced 2 dash speakers with Hybrid Audio Imagine 161-2 speakers. Took the tweeters off the new speakers and put them into the tweeters on top of the dash. You can take the tweeters off the HA speakers (cool). Then I replaced the 2 light bar speakers with ARC Audio speakers. Next I put in a Kenwood 5-Chan Amplifier (X700-5) under the front passenger seat. I used 8 Gauge Pro Complete wiring kit from Stinger, 12' 4 Channel RCA feed, a AAMP Gold RCA Couplers, a PAC RCA Line Level Controller, PAC 2 Channel Adj LOC with Auto Remote, and a PAC 4 Channel Output Converter. I also put in a JL 8" W1 Subwoofer to replace the OEM location in the very back. I can control the subwoofer with a separate rotating switch.

This took about 4 hours of work.

Im thinking installating the same kind of setup but do you think that a Jl audio sub 10w1 will fit in your opinion in the alpine oem enclosure?

Thk
04-12-2013 11:29 AM
st1264 Nice, you did it the right way. That way costs money though. Not sure if I'm going to do anything to mine. Unless I save up a bunch of cash and do it the right way, I may just leave it.
04-12-2013 10:30 AM
ahsumtoy
Here's What I Did - What a Difference

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Originally Posted by st1264 View Post
I agree. Just swapping speakers and keeping the factory head unit will do only so much. If the factory speakers have paper woofers there will be an improvement over the stock. But to really have a substantial "Night and Day" improvement you should change the HU, add an amp and good speakers. That, even without a sub will make your system listenable with the top down.
I just bought my 2013 Wrangler Unlimted JK in the Oscar/Mike Package. I love this Jeep but when I turned on the radio, I couldn't believe how bad the speakers sounded. This Jeep came with the upgraded Alpine Premium Sound System with 7 speakers, including the Alpine Subwoofer in the back which you really can't control or hear. The head unit is the 130 system. After reading many forums on this, many people replaced their 4 speakers with 6 1/2 Kickers. I have a friend who did this and yes it sounded a little better than the stock speakers but not what I wanted. This is what I put in and it rocks. It is a hundred times better than the original and I kept the original 130 Head Unit. I listen to Rock, Hip Hop, Pop, and some Country and they all sound GREAT. This addition cost about $1200, not cheap but worth it. Now my Jeep is Super. I can crank up the music and the speakers do not distort at all, and I mean really crank it up.

Replaced 2 dash speakers with Hybrid Audio Imagine 161-2 speakers. Took the tweeters off the new speakers and put them into the tweeters on top of the dash. You can take the tweeters off the HA speakers (cool). Then I replaced the 2 light bar speakers with ARC Audio speakers. Next I put in a Kenwood 5-Chan Amplifier (X700-5) under the front passenger seat. I used 8 Gauge Pro Complete wiring kit from Stinger, 12' 4 Channel RCA feed, a AAMP Gold RCA Couplers, a PAC RCA Line Level Controller, PAC 2 Channel Adj LOC with Auto Remote, and a PAC 4 Channel Output Converter. I also put in a JL 8" W1 Subwoofer to replace the OEM location in the very back. I can control the subwoofer with a separate rotating switch.

This took about 4 hours of work.
03-08-2013 05:12 AM
jeepedjeep Here are some pictures of the install. Unfortunately I didn't take any on my speaker install for you all sorry .

But I made at work this to fit under the driver seat. There is a lot if clearance for normal seat functions. The mounting holes are easily made thru the aluminum and the little existing holes make for zip ties for speaker wires. I'll be powder coating it sometime soon
03-08-2013 04:11 AM
jeepedjeep I have a 2013 JKUR with the alpine upgrade......IT SUCKES so much worse than the 08 with the infinity I had. So this is my remedy....

Kicker DS65
Kicker DS65.2
JBL GT804
Alpine PDX 5 (5 chan amp)
Audio control LC8

Goal is to use stock HU

right now I only have the speakers installed and there is little to no bass but it is so SO clear. Reason why there is no bass is because the stock amp does not send enough watts RMS to the speakers in the jeep I should be sending 75watts RMS x4 to front components and rears and 300 watts RMS to the sub. I am hoping that the combo will kick some ass finally

also for guys wanting to just upgrade the amp you can get a pac harnest that will keep the steering wheel controls even with an after market HU. But I know that Kicker and the PDX fit in the stock amp location but on the 13 you have to remove the stock amp first to make for the room needed.

I'll post pics on where I moved my amp to and the LC8
03-07-2013 11:22 PM
st1264
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Originally Posted by j0nx View Post
Changing speakers on this system will do NOTHING for you. And afaik you can't just add the amp and sub to the non infinity system. I was going to try and do that too when I first bought the Jeep but my dealer said it can't be done unless it comes from the factory with it. In the end I just replaced the HU with a Pioneer AVH3400BH, RF 300 watt amp and JL speakers front and back. Freakin night and day difference doesn't even begin to describe it. I don't need nor do I want a sub as I am getting plenty of bass response from the setup as is.
I agree. Just swapping speakers and keeping the factory head unit will do only so much. If the factory speakers have paper woofers there will be an improvement over the stock. But to really have a substantial "Night and Day" improvement you should change the HU, add an amp and good speakers. That, even without a sub will make your system listenable with the top down.
03-07-2013 11:10 PM
Wyle69
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Originally Posted by relyt View Post
Did you ever get an answer? I'd be interested to know what's involved in adding the sub and if its remotely worth doing.
The main dash harnesses are not the same. Non premium system dont have the harness for the factory amp. but you can run a set of low level outputs and run a aftermarket amp and run it to the sub
03-06-2013 11:07 PM
relyt
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Originally Posted by Wyle69 View Post
Is the harness the same for the jeeps without the premium system? I had the base radio with uconnect and swapped it out to the rhr with nav and just picked up the factory alpine sub system for the rear off ebay. The wire harness is there in the back for the sub and 12v lighter plug but I looked for the connector where the amp should be and didnt see it. I'm not sure if it is tucked up in there somewhere or the harness are different.
Did you ever get an answer? I'd be interested to know what's involved in adding the sub and if its remotely worth doing.
11-08-2012 12:27 PM
Wyle69
amp harness

Is the harness the same for the jeeps without the premium system? I had the base radio with uconnect and swapped it out to the rhr with nav and just picked up the factory alpine sub system for the rear off ebay. The wire harness is there in the back for the sub and 12v lighter plug but I looked for the connector where the amp should be and didnt see it. I'm not sure if it is tucked up in there somewhere or the harness are different.
10-16-2012 10:34 PM
paleh0rse Has anyone replaced the 2013 Alpine 6.5's with the Kickers? If so, how would you rate the improvements (if any)?

Second question: if I don't go with the Mopar Kickers, how difficult is it to mount any other random aftermarket 6.5" speaker?

If life to swap out all the amps and sub as well, but that will have to wait...
10-09-2012 10:01 AM
Master Pain 80 I think I have decided to go with a set of Focal 6.5" components and a set of coax and a small amp to run them with the stock amp running the subwoofer. Still keeping the stock 430n HU. Not too expensive and they sound pretty good
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