|12-03-2008 10:07 PM|
|stevens243||I'll try it out. Thanks Jerry!|
|12-03-2008 07:46 PM|
|Jerry Bransford||It's really hard to tell from the photo but I think you're right, that going back to the OE Pitman arm may help restore the proper angle. If you reinstall the OE Pitman arm, check the drag link connection to it afterwards for any possible binding.|
|12-03-2008 07:31 PM|
Jerry, here's a pic of my hunk...The drag and sway are not parallel...It appears that a stock pitman would make it close, if not perfect. The way to go?
Thanks, I try to learn something everyday
|12-03-2008 04:45 PM|
good thing im not in work today, haha, go guard!
|12-03-2008 03:54 PM|
|Jerry Bransford||The Currie HD steering kit doesn't affect steering geometry at all so it won't affect the need or lack of need for a dropped Pitman arm.|
|12-03-2008 03:51 PM|
Yeah, I've had bump steer before, but with this TJ, I get a "relaxed" bump. I guess, I'd say I get a very mild turning of the wheel when one of my tires climbs, but it doesn't keep the wheel over or cause any control problems... of course, I could put the stocker pitman back on and be upset at myself, so I won't say that now.
I'll snap a pic when I get home (huh, I don't have any here with it sitting on level ground, who'd a figgered?) and see what you think. My next two projects are gears and then a currie link and tie-rod. Gears first, but I'll also want to know if the currie would tend to drive me toward or away from a dropped pitman.
|12-03-2008 03:40 PM|
The TJ's inverted-Y steering design uses greatly improved geometry so dropped Pitman arms are rarely needed. It really depends on the geometry between the drag link and trackbar and their requirement they be parallel to each other in order to avoid bump steer. If they are parallel, no bump steer. The less they are parallel, the more bump steer that will be present.
For example, if the upper end of the trackbar has been dropped via a dropped mounting bracket, as is the case with my RE 1610/1611 trackbar and dropped trackbar mount, then I need a dropped Pitman arm to drop the drag link a corresponding amount. That's with my RE 4.5" lift. But with my older 5.5" RockKrawler lift, I could not have installed a dropped Pitman arm with that lift without causing bump steer because that kit did not drop the upper end of the trackbar.
One big problem with those who installed dropped Pitman arms is they have no idea what bump steer is and they think its symptoms are normal for a lifted TJ. Bump steer is not normal and isn't just part of owning a lifted Jeep. Many have bump steer but they don't know they do. They just accept it without having a clue what to call it or how to fix it.
With a 6" lift, it's hard to know if you need a dropped Pitman arm or not without seeing the relationship between the drag link (which connects to the Pitman arm) and trackbar.
Are you familiar with what the symptoms of bump steer are?
|12-03-2008 02:57 PM|
I never tried to reconnect the steering with the stock pitman arm, so I can't compare post lift steering characteristics, so any feedback appreciated.
|12-03-2008 11:49 AM|
Is that dropped Pitman arm still on? For your setup, I definitely would not have installed it. When you drive over a bump or dip in the road, do you notice any left-right steering as the front axle moves up and down? If so, that is bump steer which is being caused by the dropped Pitman arm you installed.
VERY rarely should a dropped Pitman arm be installed on a TJ.
|12-03-2008 10:53 AM|
|4point||Looks good glad you got it done.|
|12-03-2008 10:27 AM|
That looks great! Glad you finally got it done.
Hey, what's all that white stuff??
|12-03-2008 08:47 AM|
|distortedtj||^^^^^ Thats a joke for everyone else. This is a safe forum so far.|
|12-03-2008 08:36 AM|
Wait a minute.....It's 0736L eastern time.....
I know your not on a vehicle forum using a government computer. Correct Sir?
Being OPS I'm going to have to confiscate that computer now.
|12-03-2008 08:24 AM|
yea, might head out this afternoon if i can get some guys to go with
|12-03-2008 08:15 AM|
Lima,Golf "looks good"<-- for none mil.
Now go get some snow wheelin video's
|12-03-2008 05:52 AM|
hey guys, thanks for all the help. Finally got my beloved jeep back, after a long two weeks and not getting a chance to see my family for thanksgiving.
i think it looks pretty damn good
|11-21-2008 08:49 PM|
I have the drop bracket at the axle and it's not too bad but i still get bump steer.
|11-21-2008 08:03 PM|
|11-21-2008 05:35 PM|
Look down for the track bar.. $206 and free shipping
JKS MFG. Components
|11-21-2008 05:26 PM|
Did you get a drop bracket? (axle side)
Install that to get you home and until you can get your new track bar (Look at JKS, they have the best trackbars that i am aware off for few pennies more)
I have the drop bracket installed but the drop pitman arm is somewhere in my closet along with my new 2nd sets of RC springs and control arm bushings.
Anyhow installing the drop bracket and not the dropped pitman arm will cause bump steer, trying to use the stock hole for the trackbar axle side might not work either. When i did mine, it was way too much of an angle so the trackbar was hitting the top of the original bracket..
I'm surprised you are having problems, i installed mine alone with no problems (besides stripping the rear trackbar torx and using vicegrips to save my life).
|11-21-2008 12:05 PM|
|charliefoxtrot||they made my lift too.... damn...|
|11-21-2008 12:04 PM|
|4point||I don't know, but it caused all kinds of problems with my jeep. I hate Rough Country! <they made my lift.|
|11-21-2008 12:02 PM|
|charliefoxtrot||Why do they give you a drop pitman arm and the bracket if it will cause all these problems? bastards... lol|
|11-21-2008 11:59 AM|
EDIT: Credit to Mr. C for giving me this info.
|11-21-2008 11:43 AM|
Ok, thanks for the help. would this be a suitable track bar?
Full Traction Suspension 50-750504 - Full-Traction Front Adjustable Trac Bar for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited with 3"-4" Lift - Quadratec
|11-21-2008 11:34 AM|
|4point||Right, and don't throw away your old pitman arm. You may want to put it back on later.|
|11-21-2008 11:19 AM|
Sorry for all the back and forth, im really new to this still. So, best course of action is:
Drop pitman arm already on,
drill hole until i
buy adjustable track bar.
But dont use the bracket it came with and the drop pitman arm? think im getting it.
|11-21-2008 11:12 AM|
But I had to buy the frame side drop track bar bracket along with the adj track bar because I used the drop pitman arm. I was having severe bump steer issues.
The way most do it is,
Don't install the drop pitman arm.
Buy an adjustable trackbar
|11-21-2008 11:10 AM|
|11-21-2008 11:04 AM|
|charliefoxtrot||should i put the old pitman arm back on and use the bracket? or use the pitman arm and drill a hole until i can get an adjustable track bar?|
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