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05-27-2013 09:52 PM
MichaelEdwardsDO
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post

I will pay anyone here $1000 in cash if they can get my s2000 wheels off within 30 minutes, and not alert a person sitting in my house. You can use whatever you want. A welder, vice grips, etc etc etc. If you fail however, you will owe me a new set of wheels. Gorillas are made with a mixture of metals that welds don't stick to. They cannot be vice gripped. You cannot bang a socket onto them. Nothing. They are theft-proof.
Flat bed wrecker?
05-27-2013 09:45 PM
k2epm I have been wanting to put a locking nut on my 2013 Wrangler, at least on the spare tire....can any one recommend and brand and part #? Thanks
05-27-2013 09:33 PM
m25red I got a free set of Pro Comp splines when I bought my tires and wheels. I went ahead and put on all 20. I haven't mounted my spare yet so I am gonna need to pull a few off some of the wheels for it.
This made me think what a hassle having all 20 is. What do most of you who use them do? Are using them for every lug or maybe just one per wheel and three for the spare?
05-09-2013 08:51 AM
yjswampthing Here is my main question before I get into my rant for those of you who don't care to read. Why are these 1/2" wheel locks saying they won't fit my jeep in Amazon:

Gorilla]Gorilla Automotive 61681 Acorn Guard Locks (1/2" Thread Size) - Pack of 4 : Amazon.com : Automotive Automotive 61681 Acorn Guard Locks (1/2" Thread Size) - Pack of 4 : Amazon.com : Automotive

I need a set as I have the black 17" pro comp wheels.

Now let me weigh in on this and address some of the arguments that have been going back and forth.

1. The gorilla locks in that link are much higher security than the full lug nuts they sell. The outside cylinder rotates, preventing you from hammering on a slightly larger socket and unscrewing it. Same story with vise grips or trying to weld to it. In my opinion 1 of these on each wheel will deter 99% of theives out there (so long as they fit). Are they unbreakable / unstealable ? No. Nothing is.

2. The "I have insurance" - I'm lost on this one. For starters, how big a pain in the @$$ to walk out and find your wrangler sitting on blocks? That claim money isn't accessible from the ATM. You're gonna have to come up with a temporary solution to get back on the road. If you can take reasonable measure to prevent this why wouldn't you? I'm in the insurance business (health - not property and casualty) but it's the same idea. If you file claims your rates go up. Not to mention that $500 or 1k deductible you would have to pay... the more insurance claims going on the more everyone has to pay as well. Please help those of us who are willing to try and deter theft.

3. The "they can be removed without a key" argument. Of course they can. Nothing out there is unbreakable. The reason they put those "security screws" on the blinders by the urinal is so your average idiot can't take a pocket knife and take them down. Not because they're unremovable. Your deadbolt on your front door to your house can also be compromised so why bother with it? Are door locks on your jeep unbreakable? Does the alarm work 100% of the time to stop theft? Nope.

4. "The key can be lost / damaged" argument - This one has some validity. It's a risk you need to think through and plan for. Maybe get a second key or lock them in a security console. In my opinion the odds of that key getting lost or damaged are much lower than some crackhead jacking your wheels and tires while you're in the theater watching Fast and Furious 6 with your lady friend. If you're trying to avoid all risk of getting stuck somewhere in your jeep go ahead and throw out your vehicle security system. That thing can get messed up and prevent you from starting the jeep. Also your whole ignition system runs on an rfid in the key so if that gets messed up it can leave you stranded without being able to start your jeep. Heck your starter can fail and not allow you to start (not me - I have a manual ). Tons of things have a chance of leaving you stranded.

5. The OP's photo tells the story. That could be your jeep in a parking lot somewhere. My thoughts are I would rather be the guy who paid $30 for wheel security and they decided not to mess with.


Thieves suck. In some cases they'll just slash your tires or ruin whatever they can't steal. Still better than them getting it. $#it happens and you can't avoid everything. Just stay classy, San Diego
04-07-2013 05:48 PM
71K5
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Originally Posted by scuba_steve View Post
Folks who get new Jeeps frequently ask here whether or not locking lug nuts are worth it...and many say no since they can be removed fairly easily. Personally, I always use them since the only Jeep that I didn't have them on had its spare stolen, but your mileage may vary.


That said, I just saw this thread on reddit and thought you folks might find it interesting:

I work for a Chevy Buick dealership. This is what I came to work to this morning. : funny



According to the OP (who works there), they had the wheels stolen off 18 of the 19 Buick Enclaves on their lot. The 19th one was the only one with locking lugs.

xbxiii comments on I work for a Chevy Buick dealership. This is what I came to work to this morning.


It's not that they cannot be defeated...it's just that it takes more time...and they might decide to go steal something else instead.

Just a thought.
To me. It looks like they took the only thing of value off of the Buicks.
04-07-2013 05:44 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by scuba_steve View Post
You can do it yourself with the right socket and some time. No need to go to pros:

How To Remove Wheel Locks Without a Key - EricTheCarGuy - YouTube

But after you do five, you'll realize that it is actually a pain in the butt....especially getting the nut out of the socket each time.
This only works on mcgard locks (the ones dealers provide) and you can see it in the videos. Gorillas ( ones I talked about earlier) wont let a socket sit on them.
04-07-2013 12:21 PM
scuba_steve
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Originally Posted by Old Dogger View Post
I have the locks on all of my wheels, but the problem is that I have lost the tool to remove them. I guess if I don't get a flat tire then it really doesn't matter.
Since I am running 8 ply tires on my, it's not a issue!
Discount tire said that they can cut them off if needed.

You can do it yourself with the right socket and some time. No need to go to pros:

How To Remove Wheel Locks Without a Key - EricTheCarGuy - YouTube

But after you do five, you'll realize that it is actually a pain in the butt....especially getting the nut out of the socket each time.
04-07-2013 12:07 PM
Old Dogger I have the locks on all of my wheels, but the problem is that I have lost the tool to remove them. I guess if I don't get a flat tire then it really doesn't matter.
Since I am running 8 ply tires on my, it's not a issue!
Discount tire said that they can cut them off if needed.
04-07-2013 10:18 AM
jwink41
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Originally Posted by JTPhoto JK View Post
My Jeep Dealer has a set of special sockets with teeth that you drive on with a hammer. The socket is tapered and crushes that ring allowing the teeth to bite into the body of the lug.
If you go in the mud at all the McGared locks get full of mud and must be cleaned out really well. Gorilla lugs are best.
Not my dealership. They offered no help. Wish I went to yours!
04-07-2013 10:14 AM
Miser I don't really see a need unless your Wrangler sets out at night unsecured.
Mine is in my garage at night, but it is occasionally at a shopping maul so I did install them on the spare tire, because it is just to easy to steel!
Discount Tire installed them on my spare at no charge!
04-07-2013 10:13 AM
JTPhoto JK My Jeep Dealer has a set of special sockets with teeth that you drive on with a hammer. The socket is tapered and crushes that ring allowing the teeth to bite into the body of the lug.
If you go in the mud at all the McGared locks get full of mud and must be cleaned out really well. Gorilla lugs are best.
04-07-2013 10:07 AM
jwink41 So, I had the McGard locking lugs on mine and just broke the key putting my new wheels on. I felt stupid until I was told how common that was. The dealer never gave me the card with the serial number so I was a bit stuck. Went to a dealership and three shops for help. The second shop tried what I did... Pounding socket/removal tool to lug than backing it off. That was useless. The fat part of the locking lug just spins freely. The third shop, a very generous tech took two hours getting four of them off without damaging my wheels. Had to split the lugs to get them off. He suggested gorilla lugs because most tire places/shops carry removal tools for those which confirmed what I was told at two previous shops. Upside is I think I found a new shop to take care of my jeep. I won't put locking lugs on my wheels again, but will find one for the spare because of how easy it is to steal and doesn't require as much torque.
03-09-2013 09:10 PM
budke I've lost 3 locking lug keys. So, I got rid of the front 2, the back 2 are still on and will eventually take them off. The one on my spare, well, if I blow a tire, I'm screwed. Soon all of them will be gone and I'll secure the spare with a combo bike lock.
03-09-2013 08:59 PM
c_york27 I didn't buy them but when I picked up my Jeep I just asked the dealership for locking lugs and they said okay we'll put em on for you.
03-09-2013 06:26 PM
ilikeguns fwiw.. i've broken 2 gorilla key locks
03-09-2013 05:26 PM
musicforme
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Originally Posted by Dollar View Post
Bumping this for a little more clarification.

I'm ready to order a set of Gorilla's from Quadratec. I'm getting the full set. Wheels are the stock '13 Rubicon wheels.

Question 1:
Do I need the spline or acorn style? The Rubi lug holes are not deep, so it looks like the splines may stick out too far, leaving the channels exposed. Can anyone confirm this on stock '13 Rubicon wheels? It looks like the stock lugs are acorn style.

Question 2:
This question will depend on whether I need acorn or spline right now. If I go with acorn for stock wheels, will they work equally on aftermarket wheels with a more recessed lug hole? Or would I require splines at that time?
Curious if you bought these, and how they worked out for your 2013 Rubicon?

Also how is the color compared to the stock lugs that came with it? I'm bought a JKUR two weeks ago and just now starting to look for locking lugs for it.
01-03-2013 09:38 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
In looking at pics on qtec, I see the Acorn versions are indeed security as well.


The five on the top row look to have security tops.
I would order from gorilla directly and get the 20 piece set, so every lug is a lock, not just one per wheel.
01-03-2013 08:57 PM
goodysgotacuda I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, but these are the ones to own.

Gorilla Automotive Products - Lug Nuts, Wheel Locks, Auto Security, Wheel Accessories

The outer sleeve spins, preventing a simple socket to be placed over them and removed. I've had to remove one of these off a BMW in a dealership...took a couple techs an hour to figure out how to remove the first using air hammers, BFH, etc..it's not easy.

I have about $4,000 worth of wheels/tires, these should keep them mine.


I would not buy any other style than the ones with the spinning sleeve..
01-03-2013 08:50 PM
panthermark In looking at pics on qtec, I see the Acorn versions are indeed security as well.


The five on the top row look to have security tops.
01-03-2013 08:19 PM
Dollar Those are the acorn style.
01-03-2013 07:18 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
I went with the spline style. I'm guessing either one will work as long as they are the correct size.
All I know is that with the spline style, you get a security lug for each wheel...not sure about the acorn versions.

The splines are much thinner than the stock acorns, but also longer as well.....so they will work with aftermarket wheels.

I'll have to look at see how far (if at all) my splines stick out on my stock (2013) Sahara rims.
Get these.



I don't remember what this style is called, but these are the locks that I claim are "theft proof." The ones that have the grooves come out all the way to the end seem like they can be taken off if someone has some knowledge and skill.
01-03-2013 06:44 PM
panthermark I went with the spline style. I'm guessing either one will work as long as they are the correct size.
All I know is that with the spline style, you get a security lug for each wheel...not sure about the acorn versions.

The splines are much thinner than the stock acorns, but also longer as well.....so they will work with aftermarket wheels.

I'll have to look at see how far (if at all) my splines stick out on my stock (2013) Sahara rims.
01-03-2013 03:26 PM
Dollar Bumping this for a little more clarification.

I'm ready to order a set of Gorilla's from Quadratec. I'm getting the full set. Wheels are the stock '13 Rubicon wheels.

Question 1:
Do I need the spline or acorn style? The Rubi lug holes are not deep, so it looks like the splines may stick out too far, leaving the channels exposed. Can anyone confirm this on stock '13 Rubicon wheels? It looks like the stock lugs are acorn style.

Question 2:
This question will depend on whether I need acorn or spline right now. If I go with acorn for stock wheels, will they work equally on aftermarket wheels with a more recessed lug hole? Or would I require splines at that time?
12-08-2012 01:00 AM
Sycboi
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Besides the key in the car comment, I would disagree. Sockets do not work on Gorilla locks, period. I am FAR from an amateur when it comes to cars, and when a friend of mine lost his key (when you get a set, you get a sticker with a serial number so if you lose the key they can send you a new one) we were not able to remove the acorn style lugs. The spline drive can probably be broken but these...the originals....



You are not going to get them off in a driveway or a parking lot. These are the only ones I use, and these are the ones I am talking about. All the other fancy ones you may be 100% right. However, unless you are in a fully stocked shop, you are not going to get these things off.

For those that want to try, my offer stands. $1000 cash in your pocket if you can remove them, but if you fail, new wheels since you will hack mine up.

These are what I run on my Jeep, in black, every lug on my TJ including the spare. There are A LOT of meth heads around here that steal everything they can. Luckily They have skipped over my wheels and tires for now. I feel they were a solid purchase...
11-30-2012 10:57 AM
1quick1
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Originally Posted by scuba_steve View Post
Yep, mine came with locking lugs from the dealer as well...and I assumed that they put them on for their benefit, not mine. ;
My dealer made me very angry. He asked if I wanted to purchase locking lugs and I declined. Come to find out they were already on the Jeep and he knew it. He was just trying to get me to pay for them. And I agree with the above. Grab 5 spares of Rubicons and you have a set of wheels/tires you can get $800-1200.
11-30-2012 10:50 AM
panthermark ^Thanks....
I'm pretty much going with the Gorilla Splines from Q-tec....I have already emailed them to set up free shipping. I'm just now trying to figure out which underseat lockbox to go with..
11-30-2012 09:47 AM
G-Mike
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
Yeah, I think I just found a pic of the chrome ones.



Qtec said they were not security, but it looks like they are. I'm a bit nevous about ordering now...

Just ordered the black ones from QTec and can confirm that they are indeed a security set. They work as follows: the security socket has 5 splines on the inside, the 5 security nuts are cut with 5 channels and the socket will only go on in one position. The other 18 "non-security" nuts are cut with 6 channels and the socket can be rotated to engage in any position. I have no idea if the socket available on ebay/amazon has 5 or 6 splines. If it has 6 it will only work on the non-security type nuts and would not work on the security nut which only has 5 grooves; if it has 5 splines it would work on either type nut. Make sense?
11-25-2012 05:25 PM
Browndog
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Originally Posted by Browndog

I'm ordering them for my spare now, I'll let you know if they work.
Just received Gorilla part # 71681NBC Acorn Black Chrome and they fit the spare perfectly. This set was $19.99 and came with 4 pieces each 1/2" x 20 lock nuts and the key, perfect for locking just the spare if that is what you are looking for.
11-21-2012 11:14 AM
mathew85
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
because they are designed to be used with wheels like these.
Now I get it.. Thanks jadmt!
11-20-2012 06:34 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by mathew85 View Post
I don't get it; if there are splines on the side, then wouldn't that give enough traction to twist them off? How can they be locking?

The point of the McGard locking nuts I have is that they are perfectly cylindrical. You can't take a plumber's adjustable wrench and get a grip on it... The only way to get a grip is to get a strong matching key inserted into the groove on the flat surface on top.
because they are designed to be used with wheels like these.
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