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11-30-2012 10:42 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by UpTheCreek View Post
Last two Jeeps were manual, decided to go with an auto in the LJ Rubi and I'm really warming up to it. 20 years ago, I would've never even considered an auto in a Jeep. I'd see one and think, "an auto, in a Jeep? What are they thinking"? But after 20+ years of driving manuals in big trucks, many twin stick, I'm just plain sick of shifting.

Certainly benefits to each choice, but for many of the kids in this forum who declare it's not a true Jeep, you'll gain wisdom as time goes by and there's not a thing an older person can do to sway you. I know, I WAS YOU not too, too long ago!
Oh, I don't know, with experience you gain wisdom, and you don't have to be old to get experience generally.

In my case, I have the benefit of observing those around me and paying attention to what they do. Watching the Currie's compete in TJ's with autos showed me rather quickly that there was little wrong with them.
11-30-2012 10:15 AM
UpTheCreek Last two Jeeps were manual, decided to go with an auto in the LJ Rubi and I'm really warming up to it. 20 years ago, I would've never even considered an auto in a Jeep. I'd see one and think, "an auto, in a Jeep? What are they thinking"? But after 20+ years of driving manuals in big trucks, many twin stick, I'm just plain sick of shifting.

Certainly benefits to each choice, but for many of the kids in this forum who declare it's not a true Jeep, you'll gain wisdom as time goes by and there's not a thing an older person can do to sway you. I know, I WAS YOU not too, too long ago!
11-30-2012 07:22 AM
philk well i like a manual, but in traffic they bite it, in dirt they bite it, on the street they just get to see my rear end pulling away, love my 3sp.
11-28-2012 09:36 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by PDXJeeper View Post
My wife refuses to drive a stick. By default I prefer manual trans. Yes, I'm selfish.
If I felt that way about my wife, I'd consider my reasons for being married or at least one of us should.
11-28-2012 09:34 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by juan_p__m View Post
4 vehicles in my house, all of them with a clutch pedal.
You make it sound like you don't like extra stuff, yet you have another pedal and another fluid reservoir and another fluid line to the clutch slave or put another way, not really more simple or less, just different levels of complexity.

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Cooler lines, trans filters,
Yeah, got me there, those pesky trans filters are so difficult to work with every 60,000 miles.


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expensive dealer oil,
I'm guessing you haven't seen the ATF+4 on the shelf at Walmart and according to Chrysler, they only license the production to companies that meet the exact specifications for it, so it works just fine.

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extra steps on troubleshooting guides, no thanks.
Extra steps? Pretty much they work or they don't. It's unlike a manual where it starts making noise and you hop on the forums trying to find out if it is the throw-out bearing, clutch disc, air in a master you can't bleed, yellow metal synchros, or some bearing in some unknown gear assembly that you can't really diagnose until you pull it and take it apart.
11-28-2012 07:55 AM
Rolf
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Originally Posted by jimwww View Post
Auto is in my WJ and 5spd in my Tj and auto in my Challenger.
Auto Tj's is the same as putting 4cylinders in them. Why?
Yeah sure buddy.

4cyl is cheaper and was a semi-failed attempt at better fuel consumption. The 4cyl has absolutely no problem offroad and they seem to be pretty damn reliable. The TJ was designed to be used offroad in the first place so I don't see why not? I have a 6cyl by the way.

My TJ is my first auto but I would not have it in manual if there is any choice. It is not like it is a race car and you need quick shifts.
11-28-2012 05:12 AM
jimwww Auto is in my WJ and 5spd in my Tj and auto in my Challenger.
Auto Tj's is the same as putting 4cylinders in them. Why?
11-27-2012 11:27 PM
PDXJeeper My wife refuses to drive a stick. By default I prefer manual trans. Yes, I'm selfish.
11-27-2012 10:54 PM
Little_Foxx I prefer manual over auto any day. It gives you a challenge off road and if you are ever stuck its easier to rock yourself out. It also gives me something to do while driving. And I think manual transmissions last longer than autos.
11-27-2012 10:46 PM
amiller I have both. Six speed manual in my 05 and an automatic in my 95. I like both for offroad and on. THIS summer, my old YJ took most of the beatings as I was doing an axle swap on the TJ (and was not in any real hurry to get it back on the road). I took my daughter out on a couple of wheeling trips this year (YJ) and was glad to have the automatic when she would get started with her endless barrage of odd questions. I really enjoyed spending time with her and trying to answer her questions without worry about shifting gears. I now feel some slipping in the trans and hope to make it last through winter when I can more easily address the problem.

I guess it could be said that if I don't have a passenger(related to me), I prefer the manual off road. With a passenger, the automatic prevails for me off road. In town on a summer day... The manual wins everytime.

Either way, I'd rather be driving a Jeep than any other vehicle.
11-27-2012 04:40 PM
Tjdude08
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Originally Posted by brianwoolsey
If it's your only vehicle, weigh your like for rowing through gears weighted with the time spent behind the wheel against the (likely lesser) time of offroading and putting up with the shifting through delicate situations. For my Daily Driver is a 6Speed MT sports car. so when I get behind the wheel of my Jeep... its a polar opposite experience. Lifted vs lowered, slow vs fast, MT vs auto.

But in general for a Jeep.... I say Auto.
^^thats exactly how I am. my dd is a 5 speed. When I get in my jeep I want to relax and enjoy myself not shifting through the gears. And trails its easier to relax also
11-27-2012 04:36 PM
lindel I've wheeled both, both have their pros and cons. I bought my TJ with a standard on purpose, because I like standards (and my wife doesn't).

The last Jeep I had that she wouldn't drive was a standard. A 79 Cherokee WT with a 3 speed.
11-27-2012 04:33 PM
tjwood29 Mannual all the way!
11-27-2012 01:22 PM
Gunner Having had both off road. I love the fact that the auto converter allows a slight cushion between the tires and the engine. I feel that it allows the tires to hook up easier due to a lighter shock loading. Not that a good stick man can't do it but it just lets you relax a bit more and concentrate on the line. At my age I want to think about surviving the trail. LOL
11-26-2012 09:23 PM
juan_p__m 4 vehicles in my house, all of them with a clutch pedal. Cooler lines, trans filters, expensive dealer oil, extra steps on troubleshooting guides, no thanks.
11-26-2012 04:23 PM
brianwoolsey If it's your only vehicle, weigh your like for rowing through gears weighted with the time spent behind the wheel against the (likely lesser) time of offroading and putting up with the shifting through delicate situations. For my Daily Driver is a 6Speed MT sports car. so when I get behind the wheel of my Jeep... its a polar opposite experience. Lifted vs lowered, slow vs fast, MT vs auto.

But in general for a Jeep.... I say Auto.
11-26-2012 04:12 PM
jeep-creep Fun...goes to standard. For off-roading, auto. hands down.
11-24-2012 11:23 AM
Outdoors
Auto.. but like manuals too.

I switched from my last LJ with a six speed manual to an LJ auto again.
Primarily because of breaking my right wrist last year.
My brother bought my six speed manual.
There are things I love about both for sure.
The six speed manual is fantastic, and makes the engine feel like it's got another 25 horsepower to the ground for sure, compared to the auto trans.
But the auto is so much better imo for me when properly geared (at least the first three gears..lol) for everything else.

Good luck, in whatever you decide for you.
10-18-2012 02:57 PM
Geoscene
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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post
... My intended use has changed some. Besides, my build consists of doing everything twice....
Hilarious and refreshingly honest!

Sounds so familiar somehow.....
10-18-2012 02:55 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post
I cant add much to this conversation or debate that has not already been stated. When I bought my Jeep it had to a 6 cyl and a 5 speed manual. Blaine did the build on my Jeep earlier this year and upgraded my TC to a 241 and my Trans from an AX 15 to a NV3550 and that was a huge improvement. He had asked if I wanted an auto and I said no way, I have always been a manual fan. Here it is, later that same year I am now in the market for an auto. Blaine didnt even say "I told you so"... My intended use has changed some. Besides, my build consists of doing everything twice....
Bill, there is no reason to say "I told you so". At the point in time when we discussed it, you hinted at playing on the harder stuff, but still very much enjoyed rowing through the gears the rest of the time and that suited your needs perfectly at the time.

You changed, your needs changed, we all do it.
10-18-2012 02:50 PM
BillG.OTD I cant add much to this conversation or debate that has not already been stated. When I bought my Jeep it had to a 6 cyl and a 5 speed manual. Blaine did the build on my Jeep earlier this year and upgraded my TC to a 241 and my Trans from an AX 15 to a NV3550 and that was a huge improvement. He had asked if I wanted an auto and I said no way, I have always been a manual fan. Here it is, later that same year I am now in the market for an auto. Blaine didnt even say "I told you so"... My intended use has changed some. Besides, my build consists of doing everything twice....
10-18-2012 10:37 AM
pne123 I have a 97 so it should be in the early category and even if not my 4x light is burnt out.
:-)
10-18-2012 09:24 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by pne123 View Post
In my old truck if i stalled it I could leave it in gear and lurch over a rock by using the starter. Or on a a steep grade i could restart in gear so not roll back. It was a 54 with the start button on the floor. It took at a minimum of three feet to start. In my jeep I have push the clutch all the way in for "saftey". Can that be disabled easily?
Depends on the year and model. The later stuff and Rubis IIRC have the spot for the fuse in the PDC under the hood. Those that have them there also trip a 4wd light on the dash that stays on even in 2wd or similar. Fairly annoying.
10-18-2012 01:12 AM
DeepSouthJeeper
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider

Put a fuse in the spot for the auto trans behind the glove compartment
Oh, there's the answer.
10-18-2012 01:11 AM
DeepSouthJeeper
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Originally Posted by pne123
In my old truck if i stalled it I could leave it in gear and lurch over a rock by using the starter. Or on a a steep grade i could restart in gear so not roll back. It was a 54 with the start button on the floor. It took at a minimum of three feet to start. In my jeep I have push the clutch all the way in for "saftey". Can that be disabled easily?
I heard there is a way. I think it's in the manual.
10-18-2012 01:05 AM
pne123 That easy. Thanks. Now I have a place to store my fuse for the doors.
10-18-2012 12:52 AM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by pne123
In my old truck if i stalled it I could leave it in gear and lurch over a rock by using the starter. Or on a a steep grade i could restart in gear so not roll back. It was a 54 with the start button on the floor. It took at a minimum of three feet to start. In my jeep I have push the clutch all the way in for "saftey". Can that be disabled easily?
Put a fuse in the spot for the auto trans behind the glove compartment
10-18-2012 12:49 AM
pne123 In my old truck if i stalled it I could leave it in gear and lurch over a rock by using the starter. Or on a a steep grade i could restart in gear so not roll back. It was a 54 with the start button on the floor. It took at a minimum of three feet to start. In my jeep I have push the clutch all the way in for "saftey". Can that be disabled easily?
10-17-2012 10:41 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by bangingears View Post
there are simply to many reasons why.
if your starter dies you can push start it
I'm fairly certain to some folks that may make a difference, but I've been working on the TJ for a very long time and I own 4 of them. I've yet to replace a starter in any of them. While I'm not silly enough to believe that experience will hold true for everyone, I'm pretty confident that is a very poor reason to pick a transmission.

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if your battery dies you can push start it.
If by dies you mean dead enough that it needs replacing, then you would be incorrect. If you mean is has enough voltage left to excite the alternator but not turn the engine over fast enough to start it, then maybe. Again, a poor reason to base a trans choice upon.

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you never have to worry about overheating a manual
I run an AW-4, a 32RH, a 30RH, and a 42RLE. The only one that really "needs" a cooler and that's subjective is the 42 and I don't have one on it. I do have one on the 32 which is in front of 40" tires and the only time I've even warmed it up was towing a 40' Class A back up to the road when it was really sandy once and I was in 4lo spinning all 4 about 2 miles worth going 5-10 mph. And then it only move the needle up into the yellow zone on the B&M temp gauge. I don't think it's much of a concern.
you cant puncture a manual transmission fluid cooler with a tree branch (true story but your radiator wont love you either)

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its just an easier transmission over the life of the vehicle. in the rocks an auto does rock (no pun intended), but a stock auto wont live there either!
Not sure how you arrived at that. I've never seen one die in 12 years of going to JV which has a rock or two.

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plus when you need to rebuild it your looking at 2500-3K depending if you do it yourself or you upgrade at the time...
I just had one quoted today for 1300 for a 32. In the last few years I've done complete swaps removing manuals and replacing them with known good autos. I've done several AW-4's into TJ and a couple of 32RH's. So far, all of them have been less than your rebuild price including the labor to do the swap and build custom crossmembers to hold them up. That's not with high mileage junk transmissions either. The last two AW-4's I swapped in had less than 6000 miles each on them.

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if your handy with tools i can do a clutch for 300-400 bucks. doing an auto by myself is still 1500-2500.
To be fair, the clutch is the same level of maintenance item as is the torque convertor in an auto. I've replaced far more clutches than I've replaced torque convertors or blown up autos. Not that it matters in this discussion other than I swap a lot of them into the TJ, but the average AW-4 runs about 300,000 miles before it needs pulled and gone through.

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but Ill take a manual for reliability and lack of needed maintenance. WHen you do a lift and tires you can really tell a difference between a stick and an auto car. ESPECIALLY if you do not regear immediately.
In the TJ if you don't abuse either trans, they are both pretty reliable. Maintenance is cheap, low cost and infrequent so I don't really believe that is a real factor.

As to your re-gear thing. Yes, you can sure tell a difference and the one thing you won't do on a regular basis is take a manual with 3:73's, the stock t-case, 35's, and go play in JV. You can do that with the 32RH though with no ill effect.
10-17-2012 07:25 PM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
If you have an old enough YJ Wrangler as your avitar indicates may be the case, you are correct... but this is the TJ Wrangler forum and a TJ ABSOLUTELY will not run with a dead battery. Period. This is true for other newer models of Jeeps too.

I already indicated above that when they are old enough, older models of Jeeps can indeed run without a battery, with a dead battery, and can be bump started. This just isn't the case with a Wrangler TJ and other current Jeep models.

This is not a subject I'm not well versed in.
He's right. Trust me. I've tried to bump start a tj. It doesn't work.
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