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08-25-2013 12:42 PM
i82much I have a similar story to Miser. Bought an outgoing model 2007 Silverado 4x4, no options at all. 15k OTD, thought it was a screaming deal. At the time, I really wanted a 2500HD extended cab but didn't want to spend the $. 5 years later traded my truck in on a Jeep. Just for giggles I checked the trade-in value of my truck vs. the truck I had wanted. It was like $1500 more depreciation on the 2500HD. I'd have gladly paid $1500 over 5 years to have the bigger truck.

Moral of the story is don't get hung up on what the sticker says, work the numbers to figure out what it really costs you counting interest, resale, mods you may not need (e.g., Rubi saves you $ of upgrading Sport), etc.
08-25-2013 12:27 PM
Miser Yes, this is a old Thread, but a good one.
When I bought my TJ, I really wanted a Rubicon, but didn't want to spend the extra money so I purchased a Wrangler X. I was very happy with it, except every time that I seen a Rubicon in a parking lot, or at a stop light. So I was really never satisfied with it, even though it was a great Wrangler.
This time I purchased exactly what I wanted. A 2013 Black Rubicon and I could not be any happier.
Don't make the same mistake that I made. Buy what you want the first time around and never look back!
08-25-2013 12:22 PM
i82much Investigate the resale of a Rubi and a Sport, and get an idea of what mods you would need to do to each to meet your goals. People think they pay 8 grand more for a Rubi, but when you sell it for 6500 more than you would a Sport you only paid 1500 for a Rubi.
08-25-2013 12:11 PM
jadmt This is an old thread but after 11 months and 16000 miles on my sport unlimited I am very much regretting not getting a rubicon. Sure the sport will go many places and initially I thought it would be all I ever needed. sure I could fubar the warranty and upgrade it to be equal and better then a rubicon but I would have been money ahead to just get the rubicon and still have the warranty. Face it these are made by Chrysler and you are going to need your warranty at some point lol. so far so good on not needing the warranty but I know it is only a matter of time.
08-25-2013 12:04 PM
staticattic When I went to the dealership where I bought my Oscar Mike, I rolled in there with every intention of getting the Sport S. As fate would have it, they did not have a single Sport S that I liked. And the Sport models that I looked at were totally bare bones. When I say total bare bones, I mean no A/C or anything. I asked the salesman how often they sell Jeeps with no A/C. According to him, the biggest market (in his area) for those were the hardcore off roaders that buy them and add lift kits, wheels and tires, body armor, etc. As compared to the Rubi that has many of those features, they like to build the Jeep themselves to their own specs. I guess they figure why buy a Rubi when they are just going to take everything off of it anyway. I don't know your intentions with regards to off roading, but I can tell you, my stock Oscar Mike is not afraid to get her feet muddy. I don't have a winch or anything so I haven't gotten too crazy yet, but she has gone through everything I have pointed her at. We got sideways once and I thought we were going to get stuck, but she muscled right out of it. I like the "aggressive" look of the Rubicon, but it was just more than what I needed. I felt the Oscar Mike Freedom edition was the perfect fit for what I wanted.
08-25-2013 09:16 AM
gmanjeep I was in the same situation recently and decided on the 2013 Rubicon, Commando Green, 2 door. I waited years to finally get the jeep I wanted and I was not going to settle on anything else. I even drove 300 miles north to get it because the idiot Miami dealers did not have the exact specs I wanted and would not do a dealer transfer. If you can afford it, get the Rubicon. Trust me, you won't regret it. Cool factor and resale (I don't plan on ever selling it as the kids will get it when I'm 6 feet under). If getting the Ruby means you can't afford the basic things you need to survive, especially in these economic times, get the sport, and upgrade as you go. But definely go with the 3.73 gears! Just my 2 cents worth.
05-30-2013 04:52 PM
mistasparkl I went w/ a Sport because i want to reaaaallly build it. ARBs front and rear, lower gears than a rubi, etc.
But you can't really go wrong with a rubi. They are awesomely capable out the box. If you wanted to scrap your rubi parts for better ones--you'd be able to sell them easily. Stock rubi/wheels tires, t-cases, and axles are flippin gold.
05-30-2013 04:30 PM
r1150gs01 I am with kthrash. Besides resale value, I see so many people modifying their Sports or Saharas with parts that are already standard on a Rubi. After many months of agonizing over it, I am buying a 2013 Rubi auto 2 door half doors. It's not my daily driver, just my toy!
10-19-2012 12:13 AM
Cold I love my Rubi. I have moments of happy and moments of regret. I reinforced my front D44 with sleeves and gussets and chromoly shafts out back. It seems to be holding up but now I want D60's... So soon the only thing left that is Rubicon is the sticker and the sway bar disconnect, until it fails.... Oh and the transfer case.

Plan your rig, if you can, before you buy it! If you have the mod bug, have deep pockets and never back down then I would buy the sport. Modding is fun and it's a great learning experience. You will also end up with a stronger set up then you would with a factory Rubicon. Just make sure you get the Trac-Lok (LSD) option. That will keep you going when you dont even know you shouldnt be.

But for typical wheeling a Rubi with 35's will go a lot of places you never will even consider going. Its strong enough to handle a lot of different terrains, comes with decent shocks and it has buttons that do cool stuff.
10-18-2012 11:38 PM
BeyondYourFrontDoor For me, and I would suggest for many, the Rubi 'need' is ROCKS. Any JK will go through dirt and mud, jack them up and they'll go further. Right out of the box, you can push a button and have a 4lo, locked-up rock-eating machine.

I know a lot of people that have never had their JK in 4lo... which is the only time the lockers will work... so... the actual application of the Rubicon gizmos is a rather limited and specific purpose.

I think all Wranglers are overpriced, so a few $$$ more for a Rubicon is no big deal.
10-18-2012 08:37 PM
Frshmt To this day I've not once wished I had a Rubicon. A Rubi t-case would be Hella sweet, but I'll run across one and grab it eventually.
10-18-2012 08:29 PM
stevepoz
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Originally Posted by ratchettt

x 10
When I was debating, my wife told me to get the Rubi so she didn't have to hear me ever say I wished I had one.
10-18-2012 09:02 AM
Keiff I knew I was going to put a lift and 35's on my rig, so I chose the Rubi for 4.10 gearing and Rubi44 axles. I know that if I would have chosen to apply all the upgrades after purchase, it would have taken me a lot longer to get it to a state to competently handle large shoes. It goes off-road about once a month and has plans to overland Big Bend in the near future.

As someone else stated, if you've got the moolah, better to have it and not need it then the other way around.
10-17-2012 01:58 PM
ratchettt
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Originally Posted by strider_mt2k View Post
Get what your heart wants or you'll always wonder how it could have been.
x 10
10-17-2012 01:57 PM
kthrash I bought the Rubicon for these things that you cannot get on a Sport

4:10 gears
D44 Front axle
Leather
430N
Auto Climate Control
Resale Value

Plus I wanted it all factory Installed and warrantied.
10-17-2012 12:50 PM
JeepHerz Build your own Sporticon. I'll bet you can do everything you plan to with a Sport. And if not you can modify- but why spend the extra on a Rubi upfront for features you don't need or don't know that you'll want? (as others have suggested). If you catch the mod bug you can cherry pick what you want and get better equipment based on your needs.
Plus if the dealers there are like here you can get a much better deal on a Sport- leaving you more room for (wait for it) MODS.
(You're already on the forum; trust me; you'll mod).
10-17-2012 07:05 AM
Frshmt To clarify for the OP, the "open diffs" of '06 and older Wranglers sucked. "Open diffs" on a JK can't even be put in the same category. The factory traction control on JKs applies braking force to the spinning tire, momentarily forcing the tire with traction to spin.

In the pictures I posted an older open diff Wrangler would have been dead in the water as soon as I hung those passenger tires in the air, but the JK was able to drive out because of the traction controls.
10-17-2012 01:15 AM
XJ Knight
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Originally Posted by Lotrat View Post
I bought my first Wrangler in 1994. Base model. I quickly learned the down side of an open diff on a "4x4". Nothing worse than sitting at the bottom of a hill that your Jeep can't get up. Still drove that thing all over the place.

Got my second Wrangler in 1997. Sport with LSD. Took that one to the places my 94 couldn't go.

Life got busy and with kids, I needed 4 doors. Only one seat flipped forward in the 97 and was a PITA to get kids in the back. In 2001 I got a Cherokee. Would have gone with a Wrangler Unlimited if it existed back then. Got the Cherokee with the Upcountry package. It has served me well for the past 12 years. Hasn't seen much dirt and never let me down when it did.

I've never modded any of my Jeeps. Just put the biggest tires on that would fit. I like them stock and unmolested, but I like to get the most capable Jeep I can get.

I've been wanting to get a Wrangler again and finally ordered a 2013 Wrangler Unlimited... Rubicon. I don't know what the future will bring, but I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I know this one will see alot more dirt than my Cherokee did. I may throw a leveling kit on it... but may not. Will I use everything the Rubicon comes with? Heck yeah I will... but that's me. You need to figure out what you want.

Oh yeah, I'm keeping my Cherokee too.
10-17-2012 12:40 AM
Lotrat I bought my first Wrangler in 1994. Base model. I quickly learned the down side of an open diff on a "4x4". Nothing worse than sitting at the bottom of a hill that your Jeep can't get up. Still drove that thing all over the place.

Got my second Wrangler in 1997. Sport with LSD. Took that one to the places my 94 couldn't go.

Life got busy and with kids, I needed 4 doors. Only one seat flipped forward in the 97 and was a PITA to get kids in the back. In 2001 I got a Cherokee. Would have gone with a Wrangler Unlimited if it existed back then. Got the Cherokee with the Upcountry package. It has served me well for the past 12 years. Hasn't seen much dirt and never let me down when it did.

I've never modded any of my Jeeps. Just put the biggest tires on that would fit. I like them stock and unmolested, but I like to get the most capable Jeep I can get.

I've been wanting to get a Wrangler again and finally ordered a 2013 Wrangler Unlimited... Rubicon. I don't know what the future will bring, but I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I know this one will see alot more dirt than my Cherokee did. I may throw a leveling kit on it... but may not. Will I use everything the Rubicon comes with? Heck yeah I will... but that's me. You need to figure out what you want.

Oh yeah, I'm keeping my Cherokee too.
10-16-2012 11:50 PM
Frshmt I have been wheeling for years and go every chance I get. I always push my limits and almost never back down. I very pointedly went with a Sport because by the time I'd have tires large enough to need the added strength of the D44 ring gear I'll be better off building a set of one ton axles… which I'm now doing.

I would not get a Rubicon unless you specifically know the advantages and know you need them. I wheel the PISS out of my Sport and have been winched twice in the year I've had it… both times were very early on and one was a situation where all eight of us had to winch out of a ravine. The other was following a buggy and a heavily built/locked TJ.

In July I laid mine on the driver side and drove out unassisted. The factory traction controls are incredible and can get you out of MOST situations that cause previous Jeep model owners jump to buy lockers.

I'd recommend:

Sport S (with the girly man package [power everything]) with 3.73s
Teraflex level lift
Bushwacker fender flares
35s
Rock out.

Here's mine early on with the TF level lift, 2" lift shocks, BWs, and 35s:





Then back in July when I flopped it and drove it out:





Current picture on RK 3.5" and 35s:

10-16-2012 11:02 PM
rics1997 Doubt you will ever need the benefits of a Rubicon in Florida. The biggest expense in the Rubi is towards rocks crawling. Lockers are easily done later if you get more serious in off roading but the transfer case is really for tough rocky terrain alone with other add ons. It was made for the Rubicon Trail. The Sport has better residual value of all models too. More isn't always better if it isn't what you need for the environment you are driving in. Also the savings can go to mods you actually want or need. The Rubicon is a great vehicle but that doesn't mean the other models aren't. It all is about what you need and what you want to do with the Jeep. If you live in the Rocky Mountain area, then the Rubicon is a great choice, in the North East a Sport with LSD is a better fit for snow so each can have benefits according to how you plan to use it.
10-16-2012 10:03 PM
stevepoz I faced the same decision and went with the Rubicon. I figured I would only go offroad occasionally and if I didn't get the extra capabilities out of the box, I would be hard pressed to justify a lot of money on upgrades. I have been very happy with the decision so far.
10-16-2012 06:44 PM
strider_mt2k Get what your heart wants or you'll always wonder how it could have been.
10-16-2012 02:50 PM
flatsfisher83 Here is part 2

One thing to realize... These aren't Dodge Rams, F150s, Z71s or H2/3s. These are Jeeps and are made at the factory to take you off-road more-so than others.

Bottom line is, have fun in whatever model you get!
10-16-2012 02:45 PM
flatsfisher83 This was the article I was looking for.

Stock Wrangler takes on Moab
10-16-2012 11:14 AM
Kssting The inner components including the inner axles are not the same on the D30 so additional work should be done internally if you are running 35's or 37's.

I don't think a Rubicon is for everyone but I don't think someone would ever regret buying one if they can afford it.
10-16-2012 10:26 AM
oilwell1415
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Originally Posted by XJ Knight View Post
Front axle wise. Even at 35's if you ever get there, they're ways to improve the next gen D30's strenth. That is something to consider once you reach 33's as well
Anything he has to do to strengthen the D30 for larger tires he will also have to do to the D44. Everything is the same except the center section.
10-16-2012 09:08 AM
KittyPrawn
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Originally Posted by kbwwolf View Post


You know what? If you're gonna mall crawl, the Rubi is the way to go, IMO. Some will say, "Why spend the $$ on a Rubi if it's gonna be a curb queen?" My response is, "Why not?" Especially if you got the coin to spend.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you by a Rubi for almost exclusive road use, you're gonna get a lift, tires, wheels, and be done with it. Am I wrong? If that was my plan, none of those mods would preclude me from buying a Rubi.

Plus, you end up with the stickers.

Win-win.
I support this message, as a Rubicon driving mall queen. I have to spend a lot less money to get the stance I want.

Also, I couldn't get all the interior features I wanted with the Sport... and I did not want painted fenders.

Sometimes Rubicon purchases aren't for utility. If I was going to buy the vehicle I wanted for my 30th birthday, I was going to go big or GTFO!

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Originally Posted by Steffen1601 View Post
I chose the Sport because the Rubicon has a lot of features that I am not interested in or that I don't need. Especially I don't like the colored fenders. I picked the Sport, included the communication package (bluetooth) and the power mirrors and doors (I think they call that convenience package???). The dealership included the Rubicon tires (not including the rims) as well. I love my Jeep. I bought a couple of running boards and installed them myself. Since I won't be doing extreme off-roading I also don't need any special gear ratio.
Rubicon doesn't come standard with painted fenders. That's the Sahara.
10-16-2012 08:08 AM
ShoreWrangler I think for light-moderate offroading and daily driving the Sport with 3.73 and LSD is the best set up.

If dedicated for off-roading with only recreational on-road driving the Rubi is probably a better option

On-road I think 3.73 w/ LSD really wins out over the Rubicon especially for ice and snow situations. Off road those Rubi lockers would sure be nice - but again that is something you could alway add later if you find the need for it.

Good luck, you can't go wrong either way. Just get the one that suits YOUR needs best
10-16-2012 07:22 AM
lolpetewtf Tennessee trails? mudfest? Rubicon.
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