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01-31-2012 11:35 PM
J33P What are those little silver boxes you got with your speakers? Are they supposed to block the bass to the little tweeters in the speakers? I'm not into this audio stuff a ton. Thanks
01-16-2012 09:47 PM
Dickpalmer
Double din

I'm really wanting to do this mod. I'm curious to the wiring for the speakers. The stereos I've seen have RCA outs for the speakers and I also noticed them in one of the pics. How did you get around this? Cut and splice? Any additional info would be great. I just got my TJ a few months ago and with this forums help I've custom built a snorkel and blue LEDed my interior and dash. I think I've figured out the rest from the info above, I'm just not sure about the rca's. Thanks to all.

Also, I did the 5.25's in the dash with those same adapters. Awesome. It helps to have sheet metal cutters for the braces.
01-06-2011 05:49 PM
bigi78
Question!!!!!

With this install what is the size dd you put in was it a 7''? and what is the name of the mounts that you used to hold the dd system in place? thank you.

bigi78
11-28-2010 04:49 PM
emev0l
02-16-2010 02:40 PM
emev0l I still have not had anyone fiberglass my dash to cleanup the install, I've been working on the rest of the jeep, I'll have someone do it this spring when I have some other things to drive.
09-27-2009 03:00 PM
ImportRacer88 hey can you send me some pics i have a jensen vm9021ts im lookin to installit in to my 2000 tj
06-14-2009 05:24 PM
thecarpe
dumb question, but I have to ask

So is the fascia / bezel fiberglass or aftermarket? The burlwood is a nice touch, but I didn't know if they were available retail, or if this was a one-off. Seems like there's a market for it. I'd buy one.
01-07-2009 03:42 AM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
Kappa Distortion?

Hey Mario,

I just intalled the 5.25" in the dash today. I'm not getting any distortion, and I thought they sounded great. WAY better than my Pioneers and Sonys. I'm wondering if you got ahold of a bad set, or if your HU is pushing too hard. Or maybe the Pioneers and Sonys were just so God Aweful, that they MAKE these sound great. lol.

I'm going to try and get the 6.5" in tommorrow if I can. We'll see how those do.

I don't have them amped out yet because I haven't received the amp yet. I'll let you know that that goes as well. If I start hearing distortion, I'll be the first to BITCH, beleive me. I'm crossing my fingures.

How are the Polks coming?
01-01-2009 11:25 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
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Originally Posted by emev0l View Post
I'm going to go with 2 sets of poke speakers, they have them up for buy one set get the second set half off, so instead of paying $110 shipped for 4 infinity Kappas I'll be paying $150 for 4 speakers. I would bet money that those kappas will sound awesome with that amp, and I would amp mine but I really don't want my stereo that loud and when I play in the mud and water I flood my Jeep and yeah that amp wouldn't be happy. Where do you guys put your amps? I mean I'm sure I could put it under the seat and take it out when I'm not wheelin, but I really don't plan it when I hit the mud. I know a lot of you guys live in the city and can only make it to mud on the weekends so an amp is a little more doable. Let me know if that amp pushes those speakers without distortion.
Well I'm glad to hear that you're getting a good deal on the Polks. I've heard good things about those speakers as well. Let me know how they work for you.

I hope the Kappas will sound good amped out. If not, looks like a just blew $180 on an amp for nothing. Then I might have to try Polks as well. Got my figures crossed though. I'll let you know. But it probably won't be for a couple weeks until I get it done. All my stuff won't even arrive until the later part of next week.

As far as where I'm mounting my amps:
I'm going to put them in that space just behind each seat. I didn't really want to because they will kinda be out in the open, but there is just no other logical place for them. I don't think you could mount ANY amp UNDERNEATH these Jeep seats though. There is just no room under there at all. If you could, the amp would have to be tiny, tiny, tiny! I'll take some pics of mine after I get it all done.
01-01-2009 11:08 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
Dude, i got a ticket on the 29th of the month for tinted front half windows. Its the lightest tint available in the stores. The cop stopped next to me on a light and pulled me over when i went on green. (thats how i bought it from the dealer)

Man, that's a big load of sh*t! Thank God I don't live in an area where Cops are that ANAL! And this is going on in Chicago of all places? I'm sure there are plenty of other things going on in Chicago that are more important that loud music and window tint! But Cops are generally Jackasses no mater where you are, I guess. I've been ticketed 4 times for not having mud flaps on my jacked up Chevy Pick-Up. And I'll probably get more. To me it's a matter of principle though. I haven't had any problems with the TJ so far, but it's just a matter of time. I have Limo Tint ALL THE WAY AROUND!
01-01-2009 08:03 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by emev0l View Post
most places don't care how loud your radio or exhaust are as long as your not blasting your base at midnight down residential streets.
Dude, i got a ticket on the 29th of the month for tinted front half windows. Its the lightest tint available in the stores. The cop stopped next to me on a light and pulled me over when i went on green. (thats how i bought it from the dealer)

01-01-2009 07:57 PM
RobinHood
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Originally Posted by emev0l View Post
I'm going to go with 2 sets of poke speakers, they have them up for buy one set get the second set half off, so instead of paying $110 shipped for 4 infinity Kappas I'll be paying $150 for 4 speakers. I would bet money that those kappas will sound awesome with that amp, and I would amp mine but I really don't want my stereo that loud and when I play in the mud and water I flood my Jeep and yeah that amp wouldn't be happy. Where do you guys put your amps? I mean I'm sure I could put it under the seat and take it out when I'm not wheelin, but I really don't plan it when I hit the mud. I know a lot of you guys live in the city and can only make it to mud on the weekends so an amp is a little more doable. Let me know if that amp pushes those speakers without distortion.
very interesting..!!

since i missed out on the 6.5" kappas (guess that's what i get for my stupid procrastinating) i was thinking about taking 2 pairs of the 5.25s, but now i hear this from you... and i'm really of the same opinion, i don't want an external amp, not that audiophile and i'm trying to keep my interior as clutter- and cable-free as possible.

which pokes are you getting? would you mind posting the link? i looked at some of them yesterday but since i don't know the first thing about speakers, that didn't really get me too far.

are you getting the same sizes as the kappas? do you think you'll be able to use the same adapter plates for the dash? thanks man!
12-31-2008 07:43 PM
emev0l
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post
Yeah I was on the phone with Crutchfield today myself. A local audio guy was telling me that if you're going to have Kappas, you need to amp them. If you don't, he said that coax would actually sound better. But if you do amp the Kappa's, they will sound amazing.

It kind of bumbed me out because I wasn't going to run an amp to my Kappas. But later on in the day I caved in, and went ahead an ordered one from Crutchfield. I got the Alpine MRP-F300. With 2ohm Kappa's, it will push 75 watts X 4. The way I TRIED to look at it is this....I saved a total of $220 on both sets of Kappas. The amp was $180 out the door. Then I bought 4 speaker baffles for $15. So in reality, I still saved $25 on the Kappa's, and got a free Alpine Amp and 4 baffles. Fuck it, whatcha supposed to do, right? (I didn't want that cotton sh*t stuck behind MY dash either!)

I also talked to him about the missing wiring harness in my orders paperwork. He said the same thing that you did. Since the computer didn't bring it up as a match for the vehicle, it didn't include it. The guy I talked to sent it out to me free of charge, with the amp and the baffles though. So that's cool.

I won't be getting all my equipment in until later next week sometime, but when I do, and I get those Kappas amped out, I'll definitely let you know how they sound.

Let me know how the other speakers do.

ttyl.
I'm going to go with 2 sets of poke speakers, they have them up for buy one set get the second set half off, so instead of paying $110 shipped for 4 infinity Kappas I'll be paying $150 for 4 speakers. I would bet money that those kappas will sound awesome with that amp, and I would amp mine but I really don't want my stereo that loud and when I play in the mud and water I flood my Jeep and yeah that amp wouldn't be happy. Where do you guys put your amps? I mean I'm sure I could put it under the seat and take it out when I'm not wheelin, but I really don't plan it when I hit the mud. I know a lot of you guys live in the city and can only make it to mud on the weekends so an amp is a little more doable. Let me know if that amp pushes those speakers without distortion.
12-31-2008 07:35 PM
emev0l
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
yes sir, if a cop can hear ur music from i think it was 50 ft, you get a hundred bucks ticket AND ur car towed.

i know its ridiculous but thats chicago laws for ya.
I'm pretty sure Michigan has the exact same law, it really just depends on what city your in, most places don't care how loud your radio or exhaust are as long as your not blasting your base at midnight down residential streets. Then there are other cities that freak out if they can hear your radio at all, and you can hear it pretty far if your top and doors are off.
12-31-2008 05:29 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post
You're getting tickets with your Pioneer HU that isn't amped? WTF?
yes sir, if a cop can hear ur music from i think it was 50 ft, you get a hundred bucks ticket AND ur car towed.

i know its ridiculous but thats chicago laws for ya.
12-31-2008 05:09 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN Happy New Year!

12-31-2008 04:47 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
man i would love to go with kappas too but my HU provides plenty of power for what i have now to get a ticket easily.. damn cops
You're getting tickets with your Pioneer HU that isn't amped? WTF?
12-31-2008 04:08 PM
G-Pur I just bought those Kappa's yesterday from Crutchfield for a $90 price break making my out the door cost including shipping a grand total of $66. I couldn't resist. I almost bought the second pair for the dash.
12-31-2008 03:50 PM
Triple88a man i would love to go with kappas too but my HU provides plenty of power for what i have now to get a ticket easily.. damn cops
12-31-2008 04:49 AM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN Yeah I was on the phone with Crutchfield today myself. A local audio guy was telling me that if you're going to have Kappas, you need to amp them. If you don't, he said that coax would actually sound better. But if you do amp the Kappa's, they will sound amazing.

It kind of bumbed me out because I wasn't going to run an amp to my Kappas. But later on in the day I caved in, and went ahead an ordered one from Crutchfield. I got the Alpine MRP-F300. With 2ohm Kappa's, it will push 75 watts X 4. The way I TRIED to look at it is this....I saved a total of $220 on both sets of Kappas. The amp was $180 out the door. Then I bought 4 speaker baffles for $15. So in reality, I still saved $25 on the Kappa's, and got a free Alpine Amp and 4 baffles. Fuck it, whatcha supposed to do, right? (I didn't want that cotton sh*t stuck behind MY dash either!)

I also talked to him about the missing wiring harness in my orders paperwork. He said the same thing that you did. Since the computer didn't bring it up as a match for the vehicle, it didn't include it. The guy I talked to sent it out to me free of charge, with the amp and the baffles though. So that's cool.

I won't be getting all my equipment in until later next week sometime, but when I do, and I get those Kappas amped out, I'll definitely let you know how they sound.

Let me know how the other speakers do.

ttyl.
12-30-2008 08:10 PM
emev0l
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post
Nice Pics Mario.
Great Job all the way around man!

Did you have any fitting issues with the Stereo Adapters being that thick? When I saw how thick they were, I panicked and bought the Steel versions as well. I figure I'll just sell whatever I don't use.

SO IF ANYONE ELSE IS LOOKING TO DO THIS, I HAVE A BRAND NEW UNOPENED SET OF 5.25" SPEAKER ADAPTER PLATES (EXACTLY AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURES ABOVE) READY FOR YOU! JUST CONTACT ME.

I'm sure the solder and harness is the best connection, but I don't have a solder gun, so I guess I'll be cutting and twisting. BTW, did Crutchfield send you a harness with your 6.5" Kappas too?
I looked on my order receipt and it shows the harness for the 5.25", but not the 6.5".

Oh yeah...Somewhere I saw someone packing the rear of the speaker with some sort of cotton type sh*t. Does doing that work just as good as buying a baffle?
They shorted me the harness for my 6 1/2" speakers also, I'm pretty sure it's because they say they wont fit on there website, if you call them up, they will send the adapters for you.

The adapter plates thickness was fine, it doesn't make any contact with anything at all.

As for the cotton stuff I donno, never used it, I hear it works, it's cheap, I really don't want cotton stuff in my dash though, I'm in there playing to much so I'm going to rock some baffles, the baffles will also keep water and mud off of the back of your speakers, and we all know mud seems to find its way into the weirdest places.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not 100% satisfied with these Infinity Kappa speakers, they were an amazing price, $110 shipped, and on paper there great speakers, but I can only crank my radio about 75% up until I get some distortion. I called Crutchfield and they said if I'm not happy with them they will take them back within 30 days, no questions asked.

I think the problem may be that my head unit only pushes 22 watts RMS and 55 peak. I don't think it's pushing them hard enough. I think a small amp, say 45x4 would make these sound amazing, but I really want to keep it simple and stay away from an amp.

I'm going to do a little research and see what I can find. Install your speakers and let me know how they sound, I'm not sure what you have for a head unit, they may be amazing.

I'm going to call them back tomorrow and let them know what speakers I want to try next. I might even have him send me a few sets so I can test them back to back.

I'll hit some forums and see what I come up with, I'll post what I'm going to have them send me within the next 12 hours.
12-30-2008 06:14 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN Nice Pics Mario.
Great Job all the way around man!

Did you have any fitting issues with the Stereo Adapters being that thick? When I saw how thick they were, I panicked and bought the Steel versions as well. I figure I'll just sell whatever I don't use.

SO IF ANYONE ELSE IS LOOKING TO DO THIS, I HAVE A BRAND NEW UNOPENED SET OF 5.25" SPEAKER ADAPTER PLATES (EXACTLY AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURES ABOVE) READY FOR YOU! JUST CONTACT ME.

I'm sure the solder and harness is the best connection, but I don't have a solder gun, so I guess I'll be cutting and twisting. BTW, did Crutchfield send you a harness with your 6.5" Kappas too?
I looked on my order receipt and it shows the harness for the 5.25", but not the 6.5".

Oh yeah...Somewhere I saw someone packing the rear of the speaker with some sort of cotton type sh*t. Does doing that work just as good as buying a baffle?
12-30-2008 08:34 AM
emev0l It also wouldn't hurt to put baffles behind the speakers, it will direct all of the sound towards you instead of some of it going into the dash. There cheap and easy to install, I just didn't think about it when I was ordering the speakers. I'll wait until I order something else and throw those into the order, save on shipping.
12-30-2008 08:15 AM
emev0l
[B]5 1/4" dash speakers install[/B]

Here is the new 5 1/4" speaker with its passive cross over


5 1/4" next to 5 1/4 adapter plate


5 1/4" installed into adapter plate next to stock 4x6


Here is the back of the 5 1/4" speaker mounted in the adapter plate with the crossover connected to the speaker terminals, the terminals are different sizes so there dummy proof.


This is the dash speaker cover, just open the door and remove the 2 screws


Just pull the cover off, here's the back of the cover so you can see the mounting clips.


Here is the stock 4x6, take out the 4 screws holding the 4x6 plate in


After you take the 4 screws out of the 4x6 plate and unhook the speaker connector you can see your available speaker area, take note of the curved metal brace on the right side.


Then cut the curved metal brace out, I used a dremel because that's how I roll. The metal is fairly thick and there's not a lot of room in there to work.


Here is the new speaker installed


The only part I left out was how to connect the crossover to the speaker wires, the reason I left that out is because you can do it a couple ways. I ordered mine threw Crutchfield: LCD TV, Car Audio, Home Theater, Speakers, Plasma TV so they came with an adapter plug that I soldered onto the crossover wires then used heat shrink to cover it and plugged directly into the Jeeps speaker adapter. I hear that is the best way but I'm by no means a car audio expert. You can cut the adapter off and twist the wires together, just whatever you do, cover the bare wires with something, tape, chewing gum, doesn't matter to me, as long as there not going to touch other wires or bare metal. I also suggest using a couple zip-ties to clean up the wires and crossover so there not just hanging under your dash. This was really easy to do, all I used was a philips screw driver and a dremel, removing the metal piece wont hurt anything.

If I have time today I'll install the 6 1/2" speakers in my sound bar.
12-20-2008 06:12 AM
RobinHood good point, i'll go ahead and order them this weekend, just gotta talk to some US friends of mine to let them know that they're gonna receive a parcel from crutchfield soon (as usual, they don't ship outside the US). and thanks for the referral code!
12-19-2008 11:02 AM
emev0l
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Originally Posted by RobinHood View Post
wow, thanks for the links and all the info!!

well the $110 is definitely a good deal, i was surprised to see the prices on crutchfield! i'll definitely think about that speaker switch, too, especially when the softtop season draws nearer again. i guess i'll just do the exact same thing you're doing, these infinity's sound like a solid product.

and do you think the new adapter plate will fit into the dash nicely or will you have to modify some things there, too? whatever you do and whenever you do it, i'd highly appreciate your report since, once again, i'm not very routined in the speaker replacement field...
I don't think the adapter plates will be any problem at all, but if I have to do anything at all I'll post pictures. I'm not sure how long the sale on the Infinitys are going for, you can't even get them for that price on ebay.
12-19-2008 01:13 AM
RobinHood
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Originally Posted by emev0l View Post
The stock TJ speakers are 4x6, but you can't replace them with aftermarket 4x6 speakers, you need an adapter plate to do that, Crutchfield.com will give you them for free, but you get more bang for the buck with 5 1/4" speakers.

$18 shipped, I'm sure I could have made them myself but I didn't feel like it this time. I'll make a pattern before I put them in, if I do make some I'll sell them cheaper than that.

My stock radio and speakers sounded good, but once I put the new radio in I could only turn the volume up half way before I started to get distortion. I wasn't going to put new speakers in for a while but I only paid $110 for 4 new Infinity Kappa speakers and I'm sure I'll want to turn it up driving down the express way with my top and doors off this spring.

The stock speakers in the sound bar are 5 1/4", but they do not mount into a standard 5 1/4" speaker location, so you can't just buy 6 1/2" speakers for the sound bar and throw the 5 1/4" in your dash, just thought I would throw that in there because I was planning on doing that until I found that out.

I'll probably put the speakers in early next week, I'll take a couple pictures of any modifications I need to do and post them here.
wow, thanks for the links and all the info!!

well the $110 is definitely a good deal, i was surprised to see the prices on crutchfield! i'll definitely think about that speaker switch, too, especially when the softtop season draws nearer again. i guess i'll just do the exact same thing you're doing, these infinity's sound like a solid product.

and do you think the new adapter plate will fit into the dash nicely or will you have to modify some things there, too? whatever you do and whenever you do it, i'd highly appreciate your report since, once again, i'm not very routined in the speaker replacement field...
12-18-2008 06:46 PM
emev0l
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Originally Posted by RobinHood View Post
this sounds very interesting!
where did you order those? any links? and do you expect a significant sound improvement? what year is your TJ?

still i've been thinking about replacing at least the dash speakers, i'm sure there's better stuff out there. would you go for the 5 1/4" or is there an easier solution (without adapter plates) that you'd recommend? are the adapter plates a major hassle to put in?
The stock TJ speakers are 4x6, but you can't replace them with aftermarket 4x6 speakers, you need an adapter plate to do that, Crutchfield.com will give you them for free, but you get more bang for the buck with 5 1/4" speakers.

This is the 5 1/4" adapter plate for the dash


$18 shipped, I'm sure I could have made them myself but I didn't feel like it this time. I'll make a pattern before I put them in, if I do make some I'll sell them cheaper than that.

My stock radio and speakers sounded good, but once I put the new radio in I could only turn the volume up half way before I started to get distortion. I wasn't going to put new speakers in for a while but I only paid $110 for 4 new Infinity Kappa speakers and I'm sure I'll want to turn it up driving down the express way with my top and doors off this spring.

The stock speakers in the sound bar are 5 1/4", but they do not mount into a standard 5 1/4" speaker location, so you can't just buy 6 1/2" speakers for the sound bar and throw the 5 1/4" in your dash, just thought I would throw that in there because I was planning on doing that until I found that out.

I'll probably put the speakers in early next week, I'll take a couple pictures of any modifications I need to do and post them here.
12-18-2008 09:10 AM
emev0l
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Originally Posted by RobinHood View Post
this sounds very interesting!
where did you order those? any links? and do you expect a significant sound improvement? what year is your TJ?

i used to have a 98 Sahara and, since the factory audio situation was a joke, i put in a woofer and the VDP six-speaker soundbar (together with a single-DIN alpine headunit). this was good, i had a shitload of bass, but the VDPs tended to hurt the ears in the trebles. rather disappointing, all in all.

now the 06 Sahara that i just purchased recently - and put the double-DIN in - has a pretty amazing factory audio setup. the subwoofer in the middle console (which lacks a seperate level controlling capability though), those two speakers from the soundbar (which is not really a soundbar in the 06, but rather two seperate units, each holding one speaker and one interior light), and the two dash speakers create suprisingly good sound together.

still i've been thinking about replacing at least the dash speakers, i'm sure there's better stuff out there. would you go for the 5 1/4" or is there an easier solution (without adapter plates) that you'd recommend? are the adapter plates a major hassle to put in?
6 1/2" Infinity Kappa in the sound bar
Infinity Kappa 63.7i 6-1/2" 3-way car speakers For 6-1/2" and 6-3/4" openings at Crutchfield.com

5 1/4" Infinity Kappa in the dash
Infinity Kappa 52.7i 5-1/4" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

I ordered the 5 1/4" adapter plates off ebay for $18 shipped

If you order from Crutchfied feel free to use my referral code, you should get $20 off your order.

Your Crutchfield Referral Code is:
pzyc3-43jur-d8u4k
12-18-2008 04:09 AM
RobinHood
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Originally Posted by emev0l View Post

I just ordered 4 new Infinity Kappa speakers for the Jeep, 6 1/2" for the sound bar and 5 1/4" for the dash. The sound bar has 5 1/4" speakers from the factory and the dash has 4x6" from the factory. The 6 1/2" are supposed to be a tight fit but work fine but the 5 1/4" dash speakers will need an adapter plate. I found the 5 1/4" adapter plates on ebay for $18 shipped since there so cheap I'll probably just order them instead of making them myself. If anyone out there makes these and will sell them cheaper than that let me know, I'll buy a couple sets. If I do make a set for myself I'm sure I'll make several.

I'll put the speaker install in this thread and keep everyone updated on the dash cover.
this sounds very interesting!
where did you order those? any links? and do you expect a significant sound improvement? what year is your TJ?

i used to have a 98 Sahara and, since the factory audio situation was a joke, i put in a woofer and the VDP six-speaker soundbar (together with a single-DIN alpine headunit). this was good, i had a shitload of bass, but the VDPs tended to hurt the ears in the trebles. rather disappointing, all in all.

now the 06 Sahara that i just purchased recently - and put the double-DIN in - has a pretty amazing factory audio setup. the subwoofer in the middle console (which lacks a seperate level controlling capability though), those two speakers from the soundbar (which is not really a soundbar in the 06, but rather two seperate units, each holding one speaker and one interior light), and the two dash speakers create suprisingly good sound together.

still i've been thinking about replacing at least the dash speakers, i'm sure there's better stuff out there. would you go for the 5 1/4" or is there an easier solution (without adapter plates) that you'd recommend? are the adapter plates a major hassle to put in?
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