|05-23-2013 07:29 PM|
|LilYeller||I think my main problem is that its also a soft top boot. so its made to go over the soft top hardware, which I dont have. so theres really nothing to keep it tight enough to run all the water off. Still its not a big deal, it keeps my amps under my rear seat dry and thats all I needed it to do anyways. If not for the amps I wouldnt have anything there at all since I would rather look at my seat covers|
|05-22-2013 05:42 PM|
Looks like i see another design flaw. There is no curved upward lip at front of tonneau to make sure the water stays out.
This isn't the best photo but u can kind of see the upward curve. It helps keep water from accidentally flowing in. Tonneau is usually tighter but the lip is still visible
|05-22-2013 05:34 PM|
Water pooling like that is normal with your back seat being under the tonneau. I have owned both bestop and smitty tonneau covers and both puddled in the same spot with the seat in. I dont believe the puddle was so deep though, most rolls off the sides. Doesnt matter either way, the lip towards the front should keep water from entering and the minute u move, the water will fall off your cover. Looks good
Another note, its very easy to use backseat without the zipper. Just unhook the sides of tonneau and tuck cover behind the seat, keeping the back still attached in soft top bracket.
|05-22-2013 04:18 PM|
|Gov875||anyone know if they've updated the design or if there's another company out there with a design that accomodates the rear seatbelts better? i use my back seat about 2-3 times a week minimum so having it be a pain to get to really isn't a good option for me.|
|11-07-2012 09:14 PM|
|Blind Dog||I'm kind of glad your keeping it, but they should say in the add that the seatbelts are covered up at the top.|
|11-06-2012 04:28 PM|
Well heres an update on the zipper tonneau:
Its extremely quiet even on the highway, I thought it would flap around alot and make noise but there is none to be heard. Its not as much of a PITA as I thought it was going to be getting to the rear seat belts. I am keeping them like they are in the last pic I posted. I really dont use the rear seat as often as I thought I did in any case. In the am I only have one kid to drop at school and when I pick them up from the in-laws they can both fit in the front seat since they are only a block away. And it keeps my cargo area dry. So I guess the plusses outweigh the minuses. Still needs a good look at the seatbelt issue tho seeing as how thats their marketing tactic on this product.
|10-25-2012 08:03 PM|
|LilYeller||IGGEE customs, ebay, yes, $270. Best covers ever, click my build thread in my signature and see my review there|
|10-25-2012 07:11 PM|
|10-25-2012 06:31 PM|
|LilYeller||I might just keep it anyways since I would have to pay for shipping to send it back. Which would hit me for at least $20 and then put me right back at the price for a regular tonneau cover. It might be that this is still easier to remove than a regular tonneau anyways and the highway driving with this thing is WAY better than stock. So much less drag.|
|10-25-2012 05:41 PM|
|Blind Dog||Sorry to hear you got disappointed. It's a drag to get hopes up and get something...well...that doesn't fit your needs. It would be nice if they put something on the webpage warning you can't use the rear easily.|
|10-25-2012 04:01 PM|
|LilYeller||at least that made me smile.|
|10-25-2012 03:32 PM|
|YHSublime||The one consolation is your seat covers are still bad ass!|
|10-25-2012 01:32 PM|
|LilYeller||Not offended at all. I just wanted to point out that, for me, this top might not be what I need since I use the back seat pretty often and its for my kids so the seatbelt is a must. Otherwise it seems pretty well built and a very easy install.|
|10-25-2012 01:07 PM|
Water pools on mine as well near the front by where the windjammer portion meets the tonneau. If we have alot of rain I either have to put it in the garage or go out and remove the puddle of water every so often.
I wonder if it would be legal to use the older style lap belts instead of the shoulder belt on the rear seat. You would solve the issue of undoing the tonneau to get the seatbelt usable.
|10-25-2012 11:30 AM|
I hope you didnt take offence to what I was saying. I agree with your assesment not sure it will deter me from buying it since I am usually solo or only have 1 passenger. I like it for being able to access the back without having to take mine off on one side to put anything in there.
I have the Bestop one that is supposed to be used with the sort top hardware but the first one I had was not. It also pooled when it rained. The only place I have extra material is where the top would go on the back like yours. Is seem that there is no difference between BT's deck cover that is used with or without the top and hardware, at least in the 2 I have owned.
|10-25-2012 10:13 AM|
As for the water pooling its definately because this is made to be a top boot also, Since I have no top on it and therefore no hardware to hold it in place, its really saggy. Either way its not worth the $89 I spent on it when I can buy a regular tonneau for half that.
|10-25-2012 10:02 AM|
As for your pooling problem, mine does that with a non zipped deck cover. I just made a prop out ovf PVC like I did for my safari top. Works ok but the water still gets in the back....LOL
|10-25-2012 09:01 AM|
|YHSublime||I have the Black Diamond series by Bestop. I know your plan was to be able to use the rear seat and seatbelts without having to remove the tonneau, but I just wanted to say that I have never had problems with water pooling, not like that in your picture anyways. Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you, hopefully they'll take your advice and work out the kinks. Awesome looking Jeep btw!|
|10-25-2012 08:37 AM|
|Blind Dog||That's what I'm saying. I'm just now finishing my training (BS Degree) for Production Engineering myself, so I'm not bagging on engineers at all, and have lots of respect for this profession and also my professors who are mostly engineers of various disciplines, but I know a little about how the business works, and often the designers of products are working in the dark as far as actual experience goes.|
|10-24-2012 07:21 PM|
And, uhh... so long as you are saying that people have no business making products for things they dont understand then I couldnt agree more haha.
|10-24-2012 07:17 PM|
How bad does this look? its the only solution I could find that doesnt include cutting the cover.
Not a fan of the seatbelt solution but the cover looks good with the doors on
|10-24-2012 06:42 PM|
|Blind Dog||Bummer, but typical of modern design. I am a proponent of industrial designers with specific field experience, rather than engineers in these kinds of cases. Let the engineers do the math as necessary to satisfy the requirements of the designers, rather than engineers designing things they know nothing about. Rant done.|
|10-24-2012 02:47 PM|
|LilYeller||The fix would be if they could just extend those zippers to the velcro that wraps around the rollbar then it would be a perfect product. But GL getting that through their heads. Also after reading their directions and looking at the pics once again, their demo vehicle doesnt even have rear seat belts anyways...|
|10-24-2012 02:41 PM|
Ok so heres some pics, and a few comments about a huge design flaw I found while converting it to use the rear seat.
Looks great IMO.
Water pools up on it, this is gonna happen with any top but I think its worse on mine cause I dont have a factory soft top. Apparently this is made to cover all the hardware for the soft top and since I dont have any the top isnt as tight as it seemed last night.
Also, I read the directions a few times over and cant for the life of me figure out how Im supposed to use the seat belts when this is zippered back. There are no directions in the instructions or comments of any kind about the seat belt. The zipper stops just short of the rollbar and doesnt come disconnected.
This means I have to take the whole Effing thing off just to use the seatbelts and therefore the rear seats anyways... HUGE design flaw and an Epic failure for this product. Now its just as much a PITA as a regular tonneau cover, BUT with more parts to break... Sorry just had to vent for a second. I will keep it for a week or so more just to see how it drives on the highway but then its getting returned.
My final decision is that this is a very cool idea that still needs some kinks worked out. I emailed Rampage to see if theres a fix for this or if Im not doing something right but my hopes are very low at this point. Dont buy this if you want to secure your rear seat passengers, if you dont care about rear seatbelts then this might just work for you.
|10-24-2012 11:39 AM|
I am glad I found this thread...Looking forward to your review..I had seen these a few years back in Qtech catalog and then they were gone...I run mine with safari, wrap jammer and regular deck cover and would like this one more since I would not have to open the whole thing to put stuff in the back or take it all the way off if I have a 3rd rider.
Funny how ATJ shows a regular deck cover for the zippered ones ad.....
|10-23-2012 09:45 PM|
|10-23-2012 09:29 PM|
|Blind Dog||I saw your build thread. Love your Jeep, man. Pictures tomorrow?|
|10-23-2012 08:26 PM|
Well I got it in today. Nice birthday present that my wife didnt know she bought me lol. I installed it at about 8:30 tonight cause, plain and simple, I couldnt wait till daylight. So there wont be any pics till later tomorrow.
All that being said, on to the install review. The temp is about 80 and the top was about the same. It went on nice and easy. I already have experience with the Rampage frameless top so putting this on was a breeze. Everything went where it was supposed to, fits nice and tight, and zips up and down nice and easy. Not a single complaint with the install portion.
The quality looks to be pretty good, nice thick materials, good sewing on the velcro and zippers. Only complaint here is the zipper pull tab, it seems flimsy but other than that its way better than I expected.
I will drive around with it on for a week or so and give another working review on it but it seems that it will do exactly what I was hoping for it to do. And thats keep my amps dry when Florida decides to throw a flash flood at me. And to have a nice look while still being able to use the rear seat when its time to throw the kids in there and go. I will keep you all posted on this and get some pics up in the am.
|10-17-2012 09:06 PM|
I bet it's cozy in winter with a smaller space to have to heat.
Can't hardly wait until LilYeller gives his review.
|10-17-2012 08:51 PM|
I have the YJ setup on mine....minus the zippered tonneau, I have a regular tonneau.
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