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07-07-2014 08:12 PM
GreenMachine13
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Originally Posted by AndrewsJeep View Post
Calm down NEWB......✌️fricking classic NEWB meltdown......
I'm sure he's calmed down considering it's been over a year since the last post.
07-07-2014 07:47 PM
AndrewsJeep Calm down NEWB......✌️fricking classic NEWB meltdown......
03-12-2013 03:33 AM
Mike-
Similar, but different ...

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Originally Posted by Bettyrides View Post
Sorry, I'll add some more information here. It's an automatic, 4.10. I have a TeraFlex BB 2.5" spacer lift that the dealer installed 17" Pro Comp 7005 wheels and 33" Toyo Open Country MT's. I stall when I am braking to a stop. Happens right as I am coming to a complete stop. Sometimes I go days, even weeks with no problem, then out of the blue, it just stalls at a stop. It starts right back up with no problem. Sometimes when I am stopping it doesn't stall completely, but revs, then chugs to a stop, feeling rough.

I have had it to the dealer 5 times now. At first they couldn't replicate it, so didn't do anything. Then it almost stalled for them, they thought it was the throttle body, so they replaced that. That didn't work, it was still stalling at a stop. Last time I had it in they had the diagnostic tool in it and said that it was the oversize tires (only 1" over stock) that was causing the stall. They said with the 2012 technology the air intake is adjusted by the speed you are going, and when it senses you are going a certain speed, the air intake is adjusted. They said since the tires were bigger, it was sensing the speed wrong, causing the air to choke out. They suggested an AEV Procal to set the Jeep computer to the proper tire size so that wouldn't happen. I had actually already bought one at the suggestion of the parts tech at the dealer. It has been set properly by the dealer and still stalled since then. Now they are suggesting just running stock wheels and tires. This makes no sense, since most Jeep owners run bigger wheels/tires. They even sell 2012 JKU's on the lot with larger tires.

I am about to pursue the lemon law, but hoping to hear from other jeep owners with bigger tires that this hasn't happened to you. Or if it has, how did you resolve it?

Thanks again!
My 2006 liberty diesel does this on occasion, thus far only at very low RPM's and generally when turning (often in the parkade at work). I have a suspicion it's because the engine hasn't been running long enough to "pressure up" the auto transmission and it feels like a clutch grabs and drags the engine down to a dead stop.
03-12-2013 02:54 AM
lowestlime I just had my check engine light come on last week on my 2012 JKU. Put code reader on it and came back P0306, which was misfire in cylinder 6. Took it to the dealer and they said it had a dead cylinder. So they had to pull the motor. Changed out a cylinder head and a bunch of gaskets. We picked it up Saturday morning and the wife took it work on Sunday with no problems. Monday night on her way home it started chugging and the check engine light started flashing. We hadn't even put 200 miles since getting it back.
02-09-2013 10:56 PM
Kellar4537 Just had this happen today. 2013 jku automatic. Braked to a stop light and it was exactly like one post said 'a clutch not getting enough gas' I have an appt Wednesday hopefully they can figure it out. There are only 500 miles on it
10-29-2012 07:30 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Hayabusa View Post
First was "an MV Agusta thing", second was a "a Ducati thing". Both are gone (Brutale 910R and Ducati 1098R). Currently running a Streetfighter S that is the stuff!

So far my only problem has been with the 730N...damn, my lights are flickering here in NJ. Guess the power will go soon. Sandy is gettin' busy around here right now. Gotta go.
Absolutely love Augustas and Ducatis!

We lost our electricity for about 20 seconds. Best of luck.
10-29-2012 07:15 PM
Hayabusa
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
So the final verdict was, "It's a Ducati thing?" That's as bad as things people blowing off issues here and saying, "It's a Jeep thing." What it really is is a "Jeep's problem thing," because damned if they aren't going to fix that "Jeep thing" on that $35,000 vehicle I bought.
First was "an MV Agusta thing", second was a "a Ducati thing". Both are gone (Brutale 910R and Ducati 1098R). Currently running a Streetfighter S that is the stuff!

So far my only problem has been with the 730N...damn, my lights are flickering here in NJ. Guess the power will go soon. Sandy is gettin' busy around here right now. Gotta go.
10-29-2012 06:27 PM
mcgee10
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Originally Posted by Bettyrides View Post
Sorry, I'll add some more information here. It's an automatic, 4.10. I have a TeraFlex BB 2.5" spacer lift that the dealer installed 17" Pro Comp 7005 wheels and 33" Toyo Open Country MT's. I stall when I am braking to a stop. Happens right as I am coming to a complete stop. Sometimes I go days, even weeks with no problem, then out of the blue, it just stalls at a stop. It starts right back up with no problem. Sometimes when I am stopping it doesn't stall completely, but revs, then chugs to a stop, feeling rough.

I have had it to the dealer 5 times now. At first they couldn't replicate it, so didn't do anything. Then it almost stalled for them, they thought it was the throttle body, so they replaced that. That didn't work, it was still stalling at a stop. Last time I had it in they had the diagnostic tool in it and said that it was the oversize tires (only 1" over stock) that was causing the stall. They said with the 2012 technology the air intake is adjusted by the speed you are going, and when it senses you are going a certain speed, the air intake is adjusted. They said since the tires were bigger, it was sensing the speed wrong, causing the air to choke out. They suggested an AEV Procal to set the Jeep computer to the proper tire size so that wouldn't happen. I had actually already bought one at the suggestion of the parts tech at the dealer. It has been set properly by the dealer and still stalled since then. Now they are suggesting just running stock wheels and tires. This makes no sense, since most Jeep owners run bigger wheels/tires. They even sell 2012 JKU's on the lot with larger tires.

I am about to pursue the lemon law, but hoping to hear from other jeep owners with bigger tires that this hasn't happened to you. Or if it has, how did you resolve it?

Thanks again!
I read this earlier today and when I went to my dealer I asked him about this, I printed it out so I won't say it wrong. They laugh at what your dealer had to say. They had one a few months ago do the same thing and said it's an electrical connection that is not plugged in all the way or has got some water in it. No way it's your tires, They have new jeeps sitting on there lots with 4-5 inch lifts and 40 inch tires. They told me to tell you to find another dealer to have your warranty work done. I won't tell you what they called them something like Idiots.
10-29-2012 03:30 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Lucy Brown View Post
Epic.
Indeed, now calm down, cupcake, and have yourself a latte.
10-29-2012 02:59 PM
Lucy Brown
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Gee, I'm sorry, I got your post confused with someone else. No need for the rude comments, newb.

Now, read carefully. Lawyers don't work for free. Use the miniscule brain the gods gave you. Congrats to Chrysler for paying for the attorney.

Epic.
10-29-2012 01:35 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Lucy Brown View Post
Did you read my post or do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Where did I say "mods" anywhere in my post. The truck was stock. The lawyer was paid by Chrysler. I dont know why you would assume that my friend had to pay the lawyer out of his settlement. Read carefully. My buddy got his money back for his stock truck. He got paid 5k extra and the attorney fee was paid by Chrysler. End of story.
Gee, I'm sorry, I got your post confused with someone else. No need for the rude comments, newb.

Now, read carefully. Lawyers don't work for free. Use the miniscule brain the gods gave you. Congrats to Chrysler for paying for the attorney.
10-29-2012 11:46 AM
Lucy Brown
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
And who quelled your friend's wallet after he quelled the lawyer's sorrows? Didn't you state he just got $5,000 reimbursement for his mods? That's not "getting an extra five grand." "Getting an extra give grand" would be being compensated for the vehicle, the mods, PLUS an additional five grand.
Did you read my post or do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Where did I say "mods" anywhere in my post. The truck was stock. The lawyer was paid by Chrysler. I dont know why you would assume that my friend had to pay the lawyer out of his settlement. Read carefully. My buddy got his money back for his stock truck. He got paid 5k extra and the attorney fee was paid by Chrysler. End of story.
10-29-2012 11:41 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by demarpaint View Post
LOL I'm sure he's smarter than that.
Well in the rare case he isn't, I have some oceanfront property in Nebraska I'm trying to unload for cheap!
10-29-2012 11:23 AM
demarpaint
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Sure, that's EXACTLY what he should do!
LOL I'm sure he's smarter than that.
10-29-2012 10:40 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by demarpaint View Post
Should he lay down and get screwed out of $30K?
Sure, that's EXACTLY what he should do!
10-29-2012 09:42 AM
demarpaint
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Do you think just because something's a law they aren't going to put up a fight? Do you think they're just gonna say, "Yeah, we're really sorry about that, here's a new $30,000 Jeep to quell your sorrows!" C'mon now...
And what did I say that would lead you to believe that? They'll fight like hell, cheat, and lie, just like Ford did, only I fought better. Should he lay down and get screwed out of $30K? The OP should document everything and if need be get a lawyer. I really didn't want a new vehicle I liked mine just the way it was, which is why I had the patience to let the repairs tally $14,000. It wasn't my money so I couldn't care less. Then when I had enough off came the gloves, realized they couldn't fix it I got 1 model year newer and a check for $5,000 for my mods, and did it w/o a lawyer. Patience, documentation, and persistence is the key.

Ironically it was for a stalling problem too, probably something electrical.
10-29-2012 09:40 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Lucy Brown View Post
Get a lawyer and they will have to quell your sorrows. Depending on your states laws you will at least get your money back. My buddy went through this with a Dodge pickup. They jerked him around for months. Finally he got an attorney and the dealer had a rep from Chrysler come to the dealer. Long story short he got his money back, they lawyer made his share and my buddy got an extra 5 grand for his troubles. If you've been jerked around like this it's worth consulting with an attorney. On your own the dealer will try to screw you. With an attorney you stand a very good chance of being compensated for being dicked around.
And who quelled your friend's wallet after he quelled the lawyer's sorrows? Didn't you state he just got $5,000 reimbursement for his mods? That's not "getting an extra five grand." "Getting an extra give grand" would be being compensated for the vehicle, the mods, PLUS an additional five grand.
10-29-2012 09:32 AM
Lucy Brown
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Do you think just because something's a law they aren't going to put up a fight? Do you think they're just gonna say, "Yeah, we're really sorry about that, here's a new $30,000 Jeep to quell your sorrows!" C'mon now...
Get a lawyer and they will have to quell your sorrows. Depending on your states laws you will at least get your money back. My buddy went through this with a Dodge pickup. They jerked him around for months. Finally he got an attorney and the dealer had a rep from Chrysler come to the dealer. Long story short he got his money back, they lawyer made his share and my buddy got an extra 5 grand for his troubles. If you've been jerked around like this it's worth consulting with an attorney. On your own the dealer will try to screw you. With an attorney you stand a very good chance of being compensated for being dicked around.
10-29-2012 08:49 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by demarpaint View Post
Good luck getting it fixed. I still have the invoices for all the repairs Ford attempted at fixing an intermittent stalling problem back in 1987, over $14,000 in warranty attempts before they tossed in the towel. The funny part in all of it was they were actually stupid enough to exceed the cost of the vehicle in repair attempts. I had plenty of patience, I was a lot younger, and ended up forcing them into buying it back. This is why I'm waiting to be certain the Pentastar tick is resolved before I buy a new Wrangler, I have flash backs of my days fighting with Ford. Good luck in your repair, document everything and if they can't fix it let them buy you a new one. I came out of the deal making $5,000 for all the work I did customizing my Ford, they had to buy all of that too.
Do you think just because something's a law they aren't going to put up a fight? Do you think they're just gonna say, "Yeah, we're really sorry about that, here's a new $30,000 Jeep to quell your sorrows!" C'mon now...
10-29-2012 08:46 AM
demarpaint Good luck getting it fixed. I still have the invoices for all the repairs Ford attempted at fixing an intermittent stalling problem back in 1987, over $14,000 in warranty attempts before they tossed in the towel. The funny part in all of it was they were actually stupid enough to exceed the cost of the vehicle in repair attempts. I had plenty of patience, I was a lot younger, and ended up forcing them into buying it back. This is why I'm waiting to be certain the Pentastar tick is resolved before I buy a new Wrangler. I have flash backs of my days fighting with Ford. Good luck in your repair, document everything and if they can't fix it let them buy you a new one. I came out of the deal making $5,000 for all the work I did customizing my Ford, they had to buy all of that too. I had the last laugh, but it was a long and rocky road.
10-29-2012 08:36 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Hayabusa View Post
I feel for you guys. Lived through this nonsense with 2 bikes (not the 'Busa) over the last decade. Both Italian makes, purchased new and started the stalling soon after delivery. The dealership line...exotic Italian bikes, expect them to be finicky. Stalling while in motion on a bike is no joke. Many shop visits, no sustainable solution.

My 2013 3.73 auto Sahara is 1 1/2 weeks old and just crossed 500 miles. Fingers crossed. Any 2013's with this issue?
So the final verdict was, "It's a Ducati thing?" That's as bad as things people blowing off issues here and saying, "It's a Jeep thing." What it really is is a "Jeep's problem thing," because damned if they aren't going to fix that "Jeep thing" on that $35,000 vehicle I bought.
10-29-2012 08:33 AM
ParrotheadMP I had a pretty bad stalling problem on my 2012 a couple of months ago. On one occasion I also had difficulty shifting out of park and the "HOTOIL" message displayed, even though it hadn't been driven that day. Check engine light finally came on. Got it to the dealer, they were able to trace the problem to a loose connector underneath the battery tray, #C105 I believe. You can see it by pulling back the plastic splash guard inside the right wheel well and looking up. Whenever the tech would wiggle the connector back and forth the vehicle would stall. They took it apart, cleaned all the pins (32 I believe), and put it back together...so far no problems since.
10-29-2012 07:37 AM
Hayabusa I feel for you guys. Lived through this nonsense with 2 bikes (not the 'Busa) over the last decade. Both Italian makes, purchased new and started the stalling soon after delivery. The dealership line...exotic Italian bikes, expect them to be finicky. Stalling while in motion on a bike is no joke. Many shop visits, no sustainable solution.

My 2013 3.73 auto Sahara is 1 1/2 weeks old and just crossed 500 miles. Fingers crossed. Any 2013's with this issue?
10-29-2012 06:20 AM
KYFootDoc
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Originally Posted by Con Artist

So larger wheels/tires cause stalling? How much smoke do you plan on letting them blow up your ass? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard
This
10-29-2012 05:28 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Bettyrides View Post
Sorry, I'll add some more information here. It's an automatic, 4.10. I have a TeraFlex BB 2.5" spacer lift that the dealer installed 17" Pro Comp 7005 wheels and 33" Toyo Open Country MT's. I stall when I am braking to a stop. Happens right as I am coming to a complete stop. Sometimes I go days, even weeks with no problem, then out of the blue, it just stalls at a stop. It starts right back up with no problem. Sometimes when I am stopping it doesn't stall completely, but revs, then chugs to a stop, feeling rough.

I have had it to the dealer 5 times now. At first they couldn't replicate it, so didn't do anything. Then it almost stalled for them, they thought it was the throttle body, so they replaced that. That didn't work, it was still stalling at a stop. Last time I had it in they had the diagnostic tool in it and said that it was the oversize tires (only 1" over stock) that was causing the stall. They said with the 2012 technology the air intake is adjusted by the speed you are going, and when it senses you are going a certain speed, the air intake is adjusted. They said since the tires were bigger, it was sensing the speed wrong, causing the air to choke out. They suggested an AEV Procal to set the Jeep computer to the proper tire size so that wouldn't happen. I had actually already bought one at the suggestion of the parts tech at the dealer. It has been set properly by the dealer and still stalled since then. Now they are suggesting just running stock wheels and tires. This makes no sense, since most Jeep owners run bigger wheels/tires. They even sell 2012 JKU's on the lot with larger tires.

I am about to pursue the lemon law, but hoping to hear from other jeep owners with bigger tires that this hasn't happened to you. Or if it has, how did you resolve it?

Thanks again!
So larger wheels/tires cause stalling? How much smoke do you plan on letting them blow up your ass? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, next to one of the sleazebag dealerships I had my car at for service.

I was getting my car checked in with the service writer and the service writer right next to him was trying to convince some little old lady she needed to replace the air in her tires with "winter air" for the upcoming winter season. They could do it for a cheap $25. At that point I just interrupted the guy and told the lady there was no such thing as "winter air" and to get her keys if she hadn't already handed them over, and take her car elsewhere. To say the least, I immediately left and took my car elsewhere.
10-28-2012 07:24 PM
dbblbbbl
2012 JK stalling

Mine just decided it wanted to stall instead of start. Tried 3 or 4 times, if I kept the rpm's up it would try to hold, but once I let off on the gas it died. Now it won't turn over at all. Filled tank this morning at the same station I always use, and later this afternoon is when the JK decided it needed a bit of a nap. Plan to have the dealer(stealer?)pick it up tomorrow to find out what the problem is. Just over 5000 miles on the odometer. It feels like fuel pump-hope to find out soon.
07-22-2012 02:07 AM
snochick
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Originally Posted by BeauJeep View Post
Hmmmm just found this comment on 4wd Magazine during a review of the 2012 JK

"The mill feels weak until about 4,000 rpm, when it comes on strong. Freeway cruising will now be fun in a JK, but the new V-6 has very little low-end torque. The high stall speed of the new five-speed automatic’s torque converter bares this out. Go up to a ledge and the JK stops cold, the engine revs, and revs, and finally the Wrangler hooks up and the Jeep pops up to the top."

Read more: 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK - Trail Test - 4 Wheel Drive Magazine

I did notice a couple of times when I had to climb that this seemed to occur. Wonder if it is a "feature" of the new 5spd auto? More research commencing.....
I do have to rev my engine a bit more than he does in his '11 to go over certain obstacles. But we've been just assuming it was the difference between the 3:73's in mine and his 4:10's. Since we plan a regear later anyway, it's something we haven't done much other than idly discuss over drinks after a day out playing with em.

I can't give an objective opinion though since we do have different gearing my experience with such things is nullified b/c of a variable between the two.
07-22-2012 01:05 AM
BeauJeep
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Neither 3.8 or 3.6 has low end. It really depends on the differential gearing.
Hi...thanks for responding. Not sure I understand what you mean though. I'm rigged with 3.73 gears. Same gears on my 2010 manual, never had an issue on that one. But from the review during today's excursion I noticed what they did with the new auto.
07-22-2012 12:46 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by BeauJeep
Hmmmm just found this comment on 4wd Magazine during a review of the 2012 JK

"The mill feels weak until about 4,000 rpm, when it comes on strong. Freeway cruising will now be fun in a JK, but the new V-6 has very little low-end torque. The high stall speed of the new five-speed automatic’s torque converter bares this out. Go up to a ledge and the JK stops cold, the engine revs, and revs, and finally the Wrangler hooks up and the Jeep pops up to the top."

Read more: 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK - Trail Test - 4 Wheel Drive Magazine

I did notice a couple of times when I had to climb that this seemed to occur. Wonder if it is a "feature" of the new 5spd auto? More research commencing.....
Neither 3.8 or 3.6 has low end. It really depends on the differential gearing.
07-22-2012 12:16 AM
BeauJeep Hmmmm just found this comment on 4wd Magazine during a review of the 2012 JK

"The mill feels weak until about 4,000 rpm, when it comes on strong. Freeway cruising will now be fun in a JK, but the new V-6 has very little low-end torque. The high stall speed of the new five-speed automatic’s torque converter bares this out. Go up to a ledge and the JK stops cold, the engine revs, and revs, and finally the Wrangler hooks up and the Jeep pops up to the top."

Read more: 2012 Jeep Wrangler JK - Trail Test - 4 Wheel Drive Magazine

I did notice a couple of times when I had to climb that this seemed to occur. Wonder if it is a "feature" of the new 5spd auto? More research commencing.....
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