|11-12-2012 08:52 AM|
|11-08-2012 02:39 PM|
|Patrick H||Oh, and thank's for everyone's input!|
|11-08-2012 02:38 PM|
|Patrick H||Just to keep some clarity here, DevilDogDoc did me no wrong. He offered some parts to me at a fair price, and even negotiated a bit, and I bought them. He's also offered to help me out further with this. I just wanted to make sure folks know there was no wrong done with this deal.|
|11-08-2012 01:30 PM|
|11-08-2012 01:23 PM|
|Patrick H||I "always" research before I buy if I don't yet know what I'm doing. Just not today. FWIW I feel I paid a fair price vs. new, exepting for the fact that I won't use these now.|
|11-08-2012 01:19 PM|
|Patrick H||Yep. Kicking myself in the ass right now. Between what I paid for those and what the stock replacements are going to cost me, I could have almost bought a pair of Curries. Son of a bitch. My own fault for not doing my research (I've read enough by now though)|
|11-08-2012 01:13 PM|
And how hard you, I, the OP or the random guy on the street corner wheel is neither here nor there. Those arms are flawed in just about every category and those flaws aren't only exposed when wheeling.
OP, research is your friend.
These are good control arms:
|11-08-2012 12:51 PM|
|Patrick H||Well crap. Looks like I jumped the gun without doing my research. I should have just sucked it up and ordered the Currie rears. My front bushings are fine right now, but I figured this would put me with all four lower arms for cheap.|
|11-08-2012 12:33 PM|
well that's not the only direction you need to worry about. The axle also moves side to side throughout the suspension cycle - because the track bar pulls/pushes the housing...so the deflection not only needs to account for longitudinal torsion, but lateral misalignment as well, at the same time.
poly bushings do a very poor job at this because they're generally too stiff/rigid.
|11-08-2012 12:27 PM|
|Patrick H||How do they destroy mounts? Are the poly bushings too stiff/rigid?|
|11-08-2012 12:22 PM|
|11-08-2012 12:08 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||The issue at hand is they supposedly tear the control arm mounts on hard wheeling which I suppose could happen but not everyone wheels as hard as you Imped. I ran these for 2 years and about 35000 miles and my mounts are intact. Patrick, from the looks of your rig I wouldn't think you wheel as hard as I do so I think you'll be fine, I kept them greased up and did not have a single issue.|
|11-08-2012 11:49 AM|
|Patrick H||Eh, I'll give 'em a try.|
|11-08-2012 11:44 AM|
Actually they're a bit different than those. Two zerks on the arm itself, etc. I don't know. Teraflex has been selling them for at least 14 years or so..
|11-08-2012 11:40 AM|
|Patrick H||Yeah, too late now. He said "they served him well" so I figured they'd be OK. I guess I'll try them, and plan on ordering some stockers. 'Course by then I could have almost bought a pair of Curries.|
|11-08-2012 11:28 AM|
....they're about as crappy as they come and are basically joked about in the Jeep community. Stock arms are much better.
|11-08-2012 11:06 AM|
Yes, of course I have a press. I can see it from right here. For the price of stock replacement arms from Rock Auto, though, it seems silly not to just buy them. That said, I guess I'm going to give some "lightly used" Teraflex arms a try. Price was right, so I'll try them out. By the time I decide I don't like them, if I do, the money spent will be a distant memory..
|11-08-2012 10:51 AM|
I'm sure you have access to a good press... if your arms are OK, you can just get the replacement clevite bushings for even less. Press the old ones out, new ones in...
|11-08-2012 10:43 AM|
Rustys says they use Clevite bushings. The two bushings on the left are Rustys and have about 5k street miles on them. The bushing on the right is a stock Clevite bushing that was on the same vehicle for 20k miles. I'm no fan of real Clevite bushings but I'd take them over any imitation bushing and just about any second-rate flex joint. Either go with stock replacement arms or Currie JJ's. It's that simple. Wasting $600 on an inferior set of arms is much more foolish than spending $1000 wisely on parts that will last for years and years with no maintenance at all. Anyone who disagrees with that doesn't know the first thing about the true meaning of value and FTQ.
|11-08-2012 08:36 AM|
RockAuto Auto Parts
|11-08-2012 08:27 AM|
|Patrick H||Here's the deal- I need rear lower bushings. Seems silly to replace with stock when I want to upgrade at some point, but money is tight right now. If money weren't an issue, I'd just order 8 Currie arms and be happy.|
|11-08-2012 07:32 AM|
Although I've only replaced my front LCAs, I'm very pleased with the Currie JJ arms, on and off road.
|11-08-2012 12:33 AM|
|97wrangler-242||I've heard nothing good about rusty's products or customer service and will never do business with him|
|11-07-2012 11:23 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||Much more flex, much better joint, smoking deal on them.|
|11-07-2012 11:22 PM|
|Patrick H||So, why did you replace them?|
|11-07-2012 11:15 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||These twist in the middle so they flex some besides the bushing deflection, it's not a JJ but they aren't $300 a pair either.... Served me well for 2 years.|
|11-07-2012 11:13 PM|
|11-07-2012 10:36 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||I got some adjustable Tera lowers I could get ya pretty cheap....|
|11-07-2012 09:11 PM|
|11-07-2012 09:02 PM|
- stamped sheet metal, with bushings on both ends...right?
now go flex your Jeep out, and look at those arms along their long axis.
You'll notice the whole arm twists in torsion, as well as flex the bushing itself....and the stock travel is fairly meager, so the misalignment requirements are pretty small.
Now, take a look at how Rusty's arms are designed.
-bushings on both ends...but what's connecting them together is a rigid steel tube. no more torsion along the long axis like stock.
So what does that mean?
the bushings have to do all the twisting/deflection themselves, and especially on a lifted Jeep with more travel than stock, those bushings get twisted too much. you may even rip the mount off the axle.
Now, how do you fix that problem?
Well, get a control arm that allows major deflection. How? some sort of flex joint.
Ok, now what's a good flex joint that lasts a long time? Well, thats the Currie Johnny Joint.
ok, now what arms use a Currie Johnny Joint? Savvy is one manufacturer, but there are a few more as well.
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