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11-30-2012 11:08 AM
lordmike So it is snow season here in Buffalo and my girl has taken command of the Jeep. About a month ago she tells me there is a little squeek... I drove it yesterday and it is unbearable!!! It has got to be a u-joint. People don't get the love affair we have with our rigs, I have a laundry list of upkeep planned over the next year and if this were any other vehicle, I would have already set it on fire.
11-30-2012 07:35 AM
bmpage84
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Originally Posted by gester View Post
Thanks for posting this TSB. Only had my 04 2.4 for a few months. Already was about to buy second belt and tensioner, although nothing i could find wrong. Took this TSB to advance they couldn't cross it to a dayco belt but could to the cheaper ones. Working great thank you.
Should have PM'd me! For future reference:

Belt: Gates Micro V-AT K060960

Idler pulley: Gates 38006

BTW, other than stuff on sale, fluids, wipers, etc., I rarely get "actual" parts from Autozone. I find most of their stuff to be crap. We have two really good parts stores here that sell mostly quality American made parts AND have an unbelievable knowledgeable staff (many of which are motor-heads, Jeepers, or stock car racers.)

If you ever want to cross reference a part#, here's a link to one of the stores:
http://www.lacavaandsowersby.com/

There is a guest login halfway down the page. Click on the "tools" tab and click the "interchange" link. Enter the part # (I find that Chrysler parts you have to drop the first digit sometimes) and it will give you a cross to all the popular brands. I love this site because it's the stores real time inventory & part location. I can pre-order all my parts and they'll have them on the counter when I come in.
11-29-2012 09:04 PM
willms81
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Originally Posted by AK2006TJ View Post
Have you pulled your drive shafts and checked the ujoints for wiggle/slop? When my rear drive shaft was on it had no wiggle but the second i pulled it i could it had a half inch of slop and the seals fell out. I would check the joints. My chirp started out like you say yours is, when it was cold and only here and there, then it progressed into chirping for a couple days then not for a week. no harm in checking
I have not yet. I wasn't even sure where to start looking. I'll pull the drive shafts this weekend and see what the u-joints look like.

I did get under there when I first bought it and greased everything. The rear drive shaft had greasable joints, but the front didn't. that leads my to believe one of them has been replaced.
11-29-2012 09:04 PM
gester
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Originally Posted by bmpage84 View Post
Just for S&G's check out this TSB about "chirping" from Chrysler on the 03 - 06 L4 2.4L models. (not sure what engine you have) I just found out about this yesterday from another guy on here who emailed me the TSB# and I looked it up on my AllData account. This was a reoccurring problem on my Jeep (2.4L) and has been driving me crazy since I owned it. In fact I'm doing the change today!
Thanks for posting this TSB. Only had my 04 2.4 for a few months. Already was about to buy second belt and tensioner, although nothing i could find wrong. Took this TSB to advance they couldn't cross it to a dayco belt but could to the cheaper ones. Working great thank you.
11-29-2012 08:05 PM
srad600 I'm glad you got it figured out! We both learned the same thing at the same time, diff shafts lol.

On a side note ever since I started wheeling a lifted jeep I learned that when I hear a squeal or rattled type noise I grease and check all joints and everything with a fitting first. Esp since I wheel in a lot of sand and muddy areas. I learned this after a lot of stress and time wasted. If that's not it I just pray its not another differential issue. Lol
11-29-2012 07:31 PM
AK2006TJ
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Originally Posted by Johnnymoto View Post
If it makes the noise while on stands, use a 1/4 inch long fuel-type hose with one side on your best ear, and the other tip to sneak the noise generator. It works wonderful for pinpointing noises. You will only hear whats close to the tip of the hose.
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Originally Posted by Johnnymoto View Post
Oops, just a bit too late !! Congrats !!!!! Keep the trick for next time.
lol just a little bit though, it's a great tip, ill add that to the tool box for the next problem would have saved me a lot of time in the first place. Before even checking the ujoints i replaced the serpentine belt, idler pully and auto tensioner because i had never heard bad ujoints before just squeeky belts. oh well just dont have to mess with those for a while lol
11-29-2012 07:28 PM
AK2006TJ
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Originally Posted by willms81 View Post
Does anyone have a video of this sound. I am chasing a similar chirp/squeak type sound. It only happens when the Jeep is cold. Once I drive for a few miles it goes away. It is not related to the engine because I can push in the clutch and rev the engine while coasting and it doesn't change the frequency. I have an 03 Rubicon with 129xxx miles.
Have you pulled your drive shafts and checked the ujoints for wiggle/slop? When my rear drive shaft was on it had no wiggle but the second i pulled it i could it had a half inch of slop and the seals fell out. I would check the joints. My chirp started out like you say yours is, when it was cold and only here and there, then it progressed into chirping for a couple days then not for a week. no harm in checking
11-29-2012 02:34 PM
willms81 Does anyone have a video of this sound. I am chasing a similar chirp/squeak type sound. It only happens when the Jeep is cold. Once I drive for a few miles it goes away. It is not related to the engine because I can push in the clutch and rev the engine while coasting and it doesn't change the frequency. I have an 03 Rubicon with 129xxx miles.
11-29-2012 02:21 PM
Johnnymoto Oops, just a bit too late !! Congrats !!!!! Keep the trick for next time.
11-29-2012 02:19 PM
Johnnymoto If it makes the noise while on stands, use a 1/4 inch long fuel-type hose with one side on your best ear, and the other tip to sneak the noise generator. It works wonderful for pinpointing noises. You will only hear whats close to the tip of the hose.
11-29-2012 01:12 PM
AK2006TJ so the finale of my chirping...

I finally got the spicer 1310s I have been waiting on. Last night I pulled the rear drive shaft and started pressing out the u-joints that were pictured above. Holy cow what a pita they were. I had to lay the press and drive shaft on the ground and stand on the bar to get it to move a few times they were so rusted in. I used a clamp style ujoint/ball joint press and i have no idea if anything else could have broken them free. Got everything apart and went in for the night. Being Alaska it got dark just before 4pm, working in a carport and i dont have a work light yet, its now on the list. In the morning everything went back together like butter and the chirp is completely gone. I looked more closely at the old ujoints and not only did they rattle back and forth when they were in the drive shaft but there are no needle bearings to speak of. They were completely gone and the grease was a black/silver gross color. I'm glad the squeak is gone and enjoy that i've learned a new skill. Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
11-25-2012 08:20 PM
mscovitch77 I wan gonna say u-joints, but if it stops when you press the brake, sounds like a caliber issue....
11-25-2012 07:31 PM
97WiscoWrangler I pretty much resigned to the fact this was going to less than Caddy quite, but I have one gnarly chirp. Mine will not occur until having driven it a while. Braking, coasting, accelerating...does not affect it.

I'm questioning something that would be actually warming up as the engine warms up.

Anyone find an engine mount to be the problem?
11-25-2012 05:52 PM
ScubaSteve16
Same problem?

I have a squealing like this too, took it to the dealer, got boned on the serpentine belt ($147 for something easy to do and only $30), went away for a couple days, came back. Then after it came back (in every gear, although more predominant in low gears) the heat completely gave out one day. The heat is back now, and the squealing is gone for now too. But I don't really know if its the U-joints that need to be replaced or what.

On a side note, is that recall for the 4.0L too? Just got mine last month and didn't think about looking into that.
11-25-2012 12:25 PM
AK2006TJ
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider View Post
Have you checked your wheel bearings?
I've taken the wheels off and everything is tight with no wiggle or slop. My u-joints should be in on tuesday and hopefully the weather stays agreeable so i can get the joints changed out soon after and i'll go from there.
11-24-2012 08:56 AM
CMA_Rider Have you checked your wheel bearings?
11-24-2012 08:56 AM
AK2006TJ
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Originally Posted by srad600 View Post
Took care of my front shaft today. Replaced all 3 joints, CV over haul and lubed everything the way it should be and bada bing...done and done.

Not only did it fix the noise but apparently that was clutch chatter I was having from a stop and my locker wasnt clunking when I shifted...it was this sloppy ass stock CV joint.

This should help if you wanna do it your self. I followed it.
TJ Front Drive Shaft CV Maintenance
Stu-offroad has awesome walkthrough guides, i cant wait to get my ujoints, it's taking forever for them to get in. Glad your squeaking is gone
11-24-2012 08:55 AM
AK2006TJ
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Originally Posted by bmpage84 View Post
Just for S&G's check out this TSB about "chirping" from Chrysler on the 03 - 06 L4 2.4L models. (not sure what engine you have) I just found out about this yesterday from another guy on here who emailed me the TSB# and I looked it up on my AllData account. This was a reoccurring problem on my Jeep (2.4L) and has been driving me crazy since I owned it. In fact I'm doing the change today!
I've replaced my belt, idler and auto tensioner already. I have a 4.0.
11-23-2012 02:47 PM
srad600 Took care of my front shaft today. Replaced all 3 joints, CV over haul and lubed everything the way it should be and bada bing...done and done.

Not only did it fix the noise but apparently that was clutch chatter I was having from a stop and my locker wasnt clunking when I shifted...it was this sloppy ass stock CV joint.

This should help if you wanna do it your self. I followed it.
TJ Front Drive Shaft CV Maintenance
11-23-2012 07:31 AM
bmpage84 Just for S&G's check out this TSB about "chirping" from Chrysler on the 03 - 06 L4 2.4L models. (not sure what engine you have) I just found out about this yesterday from another guy on here who emailed me the TSB# and I looked it up on my AllData account. This was a reoccurring problem on my Jeep (2.4L) and has been driving me crazy since I owned it. In fact I'm doing the change today!
11-23-2012 01:55 AM
AK2006TJ
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider View Post
Did you get axle shaft U-joints
No I didnt get axle ujoints. I hope the rear drive shaft is the problem, because the current joints look so bad. If it doesnt fix the problem the axle joints is probably my next step.
11-22-2012 03:42 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by booty900 View Post
I also have an annoying squeak. It doesn't always happen though. I can drive two or three time and then the fourth time it will start squeaking. The faster I go the faster it gets. And when I break it goes away. I also need new break pads. Could that be a reason?
Yep most likely its the brakes
11-22-2012 03:31 PM
booty900 I also have an annoying squeak. It doesn't always happen though. I can drive two or three time and then the fourth time it will start squeaking. The faster I go the faster it gets. And when I break it goes away. I also need new break pads. Could that be a reason?
11-22-2012 03:24 PM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by AK2006TJ View Post
yeah i ordered ujoints for both the front and rear driveshafts and will pick up a replacement for the double cardan ball joint from NAPA and replace them all. If the chirp doesnt go away after that i'll take it to a shop and have them tell me whats wrong cause i'd be mostly out of ideas. not to mention it's been chirping so long it will piss me off if it's not the ujoints lol
Did you get axle shaft U-joints
11-22-2012 03:20 PM
AK2006TJ yeah i ordered ujoints for both the front and rear driveshafts and will pick up a replacement for the double cardan ball joint from NAPA and replace them all. If the chirp doesnt go away after that i'll take it to a shop and have them tell me whats wrong cause i'd be mostly out of ideas. not to mention it's been chirping so long it will piss me off if it's not the ujoints lol
11-22-2012 11:46 AM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by AK2006TJ

just under 47000 miles.

I thought it could be the ball joint but i have pulled the front drive shaft and it still chirps. the pictures i posted up above are of the rear drive shaft u-joints and they look worse in person then the pictures. I'll swap out those and hopefully it fixes the problem. Going to check all the bolts under the body while i have it on stands too, just to see if anything is being screwie.
You probably need to replace all your u-joints since your in a northern climate as a preventative measure
11-22-2012 10:53 AM
AK2006TJ
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Originally Posted by CMA_Rider View Post
Whats your mileage


The double cardan ball joint. I had my front DS rebuilt a yr. ago and it went out again. The idiot of a mechanic didn't put the dust seal back in on the sealed unit and it wrecked it Now Im having to replace it myself.
just under 47000 miles.

I thought it could be the ball joint but i have pulled the front drive shaft and it still chirps. the pictures i posted up above are of the rear drive shaft u-joints and they look worse in person then the pictures. I'll swap out those and hopefully it fixes the problem. Going to check all the bolts under the body while i have it on stands too, just to see if anything is being screwie.
11-22-2012 09:58 AM
CMA_Rider
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Originally Posted by AK2006TJ View Post
Well the u-joint tool has shown up in the mail a few days ago. Still waiting on the u-joints to get here. I ended up ordering 5 spicer ujoints from www.northerndrivetrain.com . cant beat $14 shipping to alaska, it's just slow as hell.


Weird thing though, the chirping that i've been getting went away completely for 4 days. and now it only chirps after i've driven to work, doesnt on the drive in, just on the drives while at work or on the way home. Hopefully replacing the u-joints fixes it, otherwise i might go insane or deaf from cranking my stereo to cover the chirping.
Whats your mileage

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Originally Posted by srad600 View Post
That's funny mine did the same thing with the drive to work. Mine wasn't the u joints. It was the bigger ball joint type thing up near the t case.
The double cardan ball joint. I had my front DS rebuilt a yr. ago and it went out again. The idiot of a mechanic didn't put the dust seal back in on the sealed unit and it wrecked it Now Im having to replace it myself.
11-22-2012 09:47 AM
srad600 That's funny mine did the same thing with the drive to work. Mine wasn't the u joints. It was the bigger ball joint type thing up near the t case.
11-22-2012 09:20 AM
AK2006TJ Well the u-joint tool has shown up in the mail a few days ago. Still waiting on the u-joints to get here. I ended up ordering 5 spicer ujoints from www.northerndrivetrain.com . cant beat $14 shipping to alaska, it's just slow as hell.



Weird thing though, the chirping that i've been getting went away completely for 4 days. and now it only chirps after i've driven to work, doesnt on the drive in, just on the drives while at work or on the way home. Hopefully replacing the u-joints fixes it, otherwise i might go insane or deaf from cranking my stereo to cover the chirping.
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