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11-15-2012 04:36 PM
97flexy
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Originally Posted by 82nd Scout View Post
97Flexy...I'm considering putting 35s on mime and I just wanted to confirm that you're running 35s on yours with a "2inch [suspension] with 1.25 body" lift?
My 2" lift is unsprung lift since I swapped in bigger full size axles, so I'm not the one to ask if that lift combo will work on 35s. My friend has a 4" and he can fit 35s but runs 33s. I also have flat front high-lined fenders, rear cut fenders and boat sides.
11-15-2012 03:55 PM
dezertrat84 Everyone has got to start somewhere..
11-15-2012 03:13 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by dezertrat84
Thats why I said almost...
I know. But what happens when you want to wheel the other place? Spend a little more money and a lot more time, and you will end up with a rig that performs much better with similar specs, at least to the untrained eye. Of course I agree it's easy to just get the basics and get on the trail. Cheaper and more fun. But when you get serious you need to do it right. I would say running 35s starts to qualify as serious.
11-15-2012 12:50 AM
dezertrat84 Thats why I said almost...
11-14-2012 11:46 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by dezertrat84 View Post
Honestly....lockers and a short arm kit will get you ALMOST anywhere...a buddy with a strap or winch never hurts.
That's what I thought until I saw some new trails...
11-14-2012 11:30 PM
dezertrat84 Honestly....lockers and a short arm kit will get you ALMOST anywhere...a buddy with a strap or winch never hurts.
11-14-2012 09:54 PM
PDXJeeper 4.5" RE short arm and 4.56 gears. I have a 5 speed and think it works well for mixed driving.
11-14-2012 09:30 PM
PHILDABEAST
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Originally Posted by imped

i don't think this could be repeated enough times. You have no idea how few people understand this.

All people seem to care about are the words "lift" and "flex." those two words can't even begin to define a good suspension.
x2
11-14-2012 12:16 PM
Imped
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 View Post
You can have all the travel in the world but if the suspension wants to unload, or wrap, or won't squat right then you are in trouble.
I don't think this could be repeated enough times. You have no idea how few people understand this.

All people seem to care about are the words "lift" and "flex." Those two words can't even begin to define a good suspension.
11-14-2012 12:10 PM
jgorm or do it like the sema jeep! 42's with portals and a hemi (its a JK)


11-14-2012 12:00 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by InvertChaos View Post
Agreed and once you start tucking the belly pan, or swapping axles, its not about lift height at all. If you want to get really special and throw portal axles in the mix it gets even better.

Haha uh oh now you are getting high tech

I would much prefer lift at both the axles and belly over lift at just the belly, or just the suspension even. You can get more travel without lifting. A stable rig can't be under appreciated either. You can have all the travel in the world but if the suspension wants to unload, or wrap, or won't squat right then you are in trouble.
11-14-2012 10:51 AM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00
Jerry, not to disagree, because I do not, and I recognize a strictly offroad beast is a completely different animal, but hear me out. If you can run a low center of gravity with very large tires, say, 40s, you would gain around 5 inches of lift from just the tires that would lift the belly height as well, along with the heavy tires down low which would benefit your COG. That would be just as much clearance as a jeep lifted 3-4 inches with 33s, without factoring in the low lift that would probably be run with that rig.

Now this isn't really possible for someone in a state with tire coverage and tire size laws like me in PA, but if I were to run 37s (largest PA legal) with a lower lift, but make them work using some body cutting highlining etc, and set the shocks to have a little bit more droop along with an outboard, I could achieve a large amount of travel along with lots of clearance (thanks to the tire height) will running a moderately tall lift (3-4 inches) and have a full tummy tuck. I feel like that would be the best of both worlds. It's really hard to make up the benefits of a quality mid-height lift with only tire size, but I think there is a middle ground to be held. But as you mentioned, 4 inches or so is by no means too much lift, as long as you realize that that number doesn't mean much more than longer springs and shocks and a every so slightly higher COG. Now if you are like Imped of 90% of the rest of the guys who are modifying, weight changes, larger axle tube diameters, and all sorta of other things come into play. So I think your assessment that lift isn't a good indicator of performance, and that COG isn't necessarily either, is pretty accurate. I just wanted to kind of expand upon what you said.
Agreed and once you start tucking the belly pan, or swapping axles, its not about lift height at all. If you want to get really special and throw portal axles in the mix it gets even better.
11-14-2012 10:27 AM
THerr118
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Originally Posted by 82nd Scout
97Flexy...I'm considering putting 35s on mime and I just wanted to confirm that you're running 35s on yours with a "2inch [suspension] with 1.25 body" lift?
Hey I think you meant me, if not disregard. But I'm running that combo and it works very well for me! I even ran it without the 2 inch for a while, but it rubbed a lot at flex
Also I have the original 3.73 for now. It's not terrible and I get 16mpg (Drivin like an old man!!) 5th gear is cruise/down hill only though!! Haha!
11-12-2012 09:24 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by 97flexy View Post
Imped posted some good numbers in the Up travel, frame height, and belly pan height. What are your numbers Unlimited?
Will be 5" up/6" down in front and 5" up/5" down rear when I finish whats spread across my workbench. Belly is 15", frame is 17.25". OME 934/949 springs, 1.25" BL. On 33s.

Respectable, functional and all I need for now.
11-12-2012 09:15 PM
Enemy What gears are you guys running with these 35s?
11-12-2012 08:40 PM
82nd Scout 97Flexy...I'm considering putting 35s on mime and I just wanted to confirm that you're running 35s on yours with a "2inch [suspension] with 1.25 body" lift?
11-12-2012 10:11 AM
97flexy
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
x2. Who cares about lift height...talk in terms of shock travel and up/down ratios and belly/frame/bracket/axle clearances.

Those that use LCG as a buzz word don't seem to get that.
Imped posted some good numbers in the Up travel, frame height, and belly pan height. What are your numbers Unlimited?
11-11-2012 10:38 PM
tazmann910 I run the Rock Krawler 5.5 long arm kit, with 1 inch body lift and run 35 inch tires. Flat fenders up front and a little cut out, out back.

My roof bow measures right at 7ft, i cannot fit in parking garages 7ft or under.
11-11-2012 02:47 PM
dezertrat84 Good info thanks...
11-11-2012 02:14 PM
Jerry Bransford The winner of this year's King of the Hammer's Everyman Challenge was running Johnnie Joints. Most heim joints wear too quickly to be used on a vehicle that also sees street use... not to mention steel heim joints transmit far more vibration & shock into the vehicle than joints with polyurethane races or rubber bushings.
11-11-2012 01:12 PM
dezertrat84 I'm just curios why jj arnt used in trophy trucks or in desert racing vehicles.i see them more in rock crawling. Even king of hammers i see heims and uni balls. I just got into wheeling recently so its a new world for me...
11-11-2012 12:50 PM
Jerry Bransford Heims would be a bad idea, your idea of better flexing joints like Currie's Johnnie Joints is the best solution.
11-11-2012 12:46 PM
dezertrat84 So far the kit has really surprized me.it does really good.so the arms either need jonny joints, or heims, or beefier brakets.
11-11-2012 12:39 PM
dezertrat84 Wow..good to know..thanks.i wheel the crap out of it.hopfully nothing happends.ill keep looking for cracks.
11-11-2012 11:59 AM
Jerry Bransford Keep an eye on your control arm mounting brackets Dezertrat84. The control arms that are included in ProComp's Stage 2 lift use bushings at both ends which have so little flex that they can eventually tear their mounting brackets off where they are welded to the axles. That's actually a fairly common problem. My first control arms were from Teraflex and they had the same design which caused two of my control arm brackets to be torn away from the rear axle at different times. I used to work for ProComp's parent company and that regularly happened to Stage 2 owners who actually wheeled their rigs hard enough to really/fully flex the suspensions.
11-11-2012 11:53 AM
dezertrat84 4" pro comp stage 2 lift.35x12.50r15 goodyear silent armors 15x10 black rock wheels.nothing rubs since i trimmed my fenders.
11-11-2012 10:12 AM
THerr118
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Originally Posted by 97flexy

i like your rear fenders who makes those?
Hey thanks! They are metalcloaks, just like the rockers and front fenders! I love em!
11-11-2012 09:34 AM
blas32 4in superlift with bfg 35x12.50...but im easy on it.
11-11-2012 09:29 AM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by Imped View Post
Good points here and I agree.

When people ask "how much lift I have", I tell them I don't really know. From the coil bucket positions and orientation to the weight of the rig to the custom frame, nothing is stock. Therefore a 3" coil doesn't = 3" over a stock TJ. I can tell you, however, that my frame height is 20.25", belly height is 20" and up travel is 5.5" front and 5" rear.

Those are valuable metrics. "Lift height" doesn't tell you anything of value, hence why I questioned the OP's reasoning for asking the question in the first place. The dude has swapped a 44/9 under his rig so I'm not sure why other people's springs matter to him since I'm fairly certain he can make his own decisions in that regard. That's all.
x2. Who cares about lift height...talk in terms of shock travel and up/down ratios and belly/frame/bracket/axle clearances.

Those that use LCG as a buzz word don't seem to get that.
11-11-2012 09:09 AM
97flexy
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Originally Posted by THerr118 View Post
2inch with 1.25 body. (Installing my UCF tummy tuck this weekend!)



i like your rear fenders who makes those?
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