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11-25-2012 07:59 PM
JoeBot13 So it is ... thanks
11-25-2012 07:02 PM
Gunner It is up on the board. Christmas fun run thread.
11-25-2012 05:28 PM
JoeBot13 Hey Gunner ... did you ever make this run with your 2wd friends?
11-18-2012 02:14 AM
JoeBot13
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Originally Posted by RadarRob2012 View Post
I won't say it again. Crab Flats Road. Enough said. Lol
lol ... I'm in full agreement ... all my suggestions are just ways to get to/from Crab Flats Road ... I was up there today ... I love that area!
11-18-2012 12:50 AM
Gunner Gotcha boss.
11-17-2012 10:27 PM
RadarRob2012
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Originally Posted by Gunner
Thanks for the heads up. I'll check Coxey. I think I have some pretty nervous nellies coming out this first trip and want smooth sailing for them.
I won't say it again. Crab Flats Road. Enough said. Lol
11-17-2012 10:20 PM
Gunner Thanks for the heads up. I'll check Coxey. I think I have some pretty nervous nellies coming out this first trip and want smooth sailing for them.
11-17-2012 09:51 PM
JoeBot13 Just got back from the mountains ... as promised here is the report on Grapevine Canyon:

I don't know where the "moderate" rating came from. It is "easy" for a 4x4 IMO ... but does come with it's own set of challenges for a 2WD. My assessment... doable for a 2WD (because I never shifted out of it). HOWEVER, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT FOR A FULL SIZE PICKUP. It gets pretty tight in spots; Narrow roads (some washed out ledges make it even narrower) and at one point there was a hefty sized rock exposed in the middle of the road that would be fun with a Jeep ... but would a 2WD vehicle would need to go around it. Not sure that a full sized pickup would fit ... I chose to go around because my Liberty doesn't have the clearance ... and I had about 4-6" to spare. That was going up ... coming down shouldn't be a problem so long as the truck has adequate clearance. To boot there is a lot of soft sand which could prove difficult for a 2WD pickup.

All in all it is a fun drive and I would recommend anyone go just for the views alone. But 2WD Pickups I would steer towards Coxey instead. They would definitely come off the hill feeling accomplished.
11-15-2012 10:01 PM
WOKNROX I didn't realize they had put a gate at Bear creek ...I guess its been minute sence I've been through there ....but even if the gate was closed when they got to the creek, its still a good long run even if they had to turn around and backtrack ...
11-15-2012 08:52 PM
8052949
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Originally Posted by tvwebguy

Check with a ranger station before you do 1N09. It's a great drive, but, there's a gate at Bear Creek that is often closed and you can't get around it.
The guys at the ranger station won't know. Two weeks ago I asked they said basically the gates can be closed at anytime. Just test your luck. The weather had been good so it's probably open.
11-15-2012 08:31 PM
tvwebguy
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Originally Posted by WOKNROX View Post
Another good run is 1N09 off 330 its just north of the passing lane and a few turns after the Rangers station to the right..its a beautiful drive along the front of the San Bernardino mountains and above Highland with lots of sites along the way. U'll come out on hwy 38 just north of 7 oaks right around Jinks lake...and the girl scouts camp....check it out ....!
O and one more thing...u'll pass by little Bear creak witch comes from Big Bear dam...the best part is its all in front of the Mountains so u'll save a lot of time driving to the trail head...
Check with a ranger station before you do 1N09. It's a great drive, but, there's a gate at Bear Creek that is often closed and you can't get around it.
11-15-2012 07:02 PM
WOKNROX Another good run is 1N09 off 330 its just north of the passing lane and a few turns after the Rangers station to the right..its a beautiful drive along the front of the San Bernardino mountains and above Highland with lots of sites along the way. U'll come out on hwy 38 just north of 7 oaks right around Jinks lake...and the girl scouts camp....check it out ....!
O and one more thing...u'll pass by little Bear creak witch comes from Big Bear dam...the best part is its all in front of the Mountains so u'll save a lot of time driving to the trail head...
11-15-2012 06:17 PM
JoeBot13 WILCO ... I'll have something posted up for you on Sunday ...

Grapevine is "moderate" (because it gets narrow in spots and has some switchbacks) in one small section but otherwise "easy"... I'll let you know if any erosion or tight spots would make it hard for your group ... I will have a Tacoma PreRunner and a 2WD Commander (I didn't know they made them) in my group ... plus I will be in the wife's Liberty

Grapevine has some awesome views of the Desert and some pretty big rock outcrops that are fun to get out and climb on ... I like taking this way because it's the fastest way for me to get up into the pines from the desert ... plus the transition from desert to forest is pretty dramatic ... good way to come down too ... just hook a left on HWY 18 and you'll head into Apple Valley/Victorville and can get on the 15 to head down the hill

If Grapevine is not a good option then there is Coxey ... Coxey is rated "easy" and is well traveled and altogether shouldn't be a problem for a big truck ... so long as the road isn't washed out ... I'll double check if I have time

Either which way you take to get there ... From Crab Flats ... From Baldwin Lake ... or from the desert via coxey/grapevine ... 3N16 is definitely the end goal here ... Everyone in your group will have a blast
11-15-2012 03:59 PM
Gunner Let me know how it looks.
11-15-2012 03:40 PM
JoeBot13 I second Rob on Crab Flats/Holcomb Valley ... 3N16 is definitely the road you want ... it's passable even for cars but has enough ups and downs to still be fun ... There are different ways to get there .... I'm actually leading some 2WD buddies up there this weekend ... I'm taking them up Grapevine (4N16) and down through Holcomb ... Coxey (3N14) is another option to enter/exit the SBNF ... Both Coxey/Grapevine will dump you off on HWY18 outside of Lucerne Valley

Coxey and Grapevine can get pretty rutted from time to time and has some soft spots and loose gravel ... if it is washed out might require 4x4 in spots but most often is passable for 2WD with good ground clearance ... I can let you know how they look after this weekend if you are interested
11-13-2012 03:18 PM
Gunner
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Originally Posted by tom h View Post
Forest Route 3S04 off the Ortega Highway in the Cleveland National Forest. Drive north and do a loop descending via Indian Truck Trail. It passes through some rugged valleys with nice vistas. Be sure to go before rainy season as I expect some of these roads close when wet and or snowy.

Lots more easy stuff in San Diego, where I live. Send a reply or message if you want some guidance further south.
Thanks Tom I'll keep it in mind. That's one of the trails I want to explore sometime. If I get a weekday run for the easy one I will post it up. Had something come up for my John Bull initiation and had to reschedule. But usually Tuesday and Wednesday I can go local.
11-13-2012 12:52 PM
JeepHerz Make sure to check the big hill on Cleghorn for big truck clearance while you're mosey-ing. (I am up for a mosey too.) Easy for Jeeps but I've seen a Pathfinder, a Tacoma and a Raptor struggle on the "easy" bypass to the right because of size and tires. That F350 will be a tight squeeze if he can't make the center run.
11-13-2012 11:10 AM
02sporttj I would also like to tag along Gunner if that would be okay. Will just depend which day and work.
11-13-2012 09:17 AM
RadarRob2012
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Originally Posted by Gunner
I will let you know. I want to keep it local and green in the mountains. I am trying to hustle up business for Rob.
Thanks Bob, I could use some help this time of year. Lol. I'm not sure how local Crab Flats Rd. is for You, but it's Def Green. And a Beautiful drive. There's even a short section overlooking the 2003 burn area. Wicked cool looking.
11-12-2012 08:25 PM
Gunner I will let you know. I want to keep it local and green in the mountains. I am trying to hustle up business for Rob.
11-12-2012 08:21 PM
2013jeepjk
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Yeah do it on a weekday. Won't be crowded that way. I can just mosey along.
let me know what day i might wanna mosey along with you if u dont mind ..
11-12-2012 08:13 PM
DaK
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Originally Posted by RadarRob2012 View Post
Screw it! Take them to Calico Bob! That should hook them. Or make them pee themselves. Either way is good. Lol
Eh, take the barges to Bull Frog. Once you breach Chicken Rock your review will be clear.
11-12-2012 08:12 PM
DaK WOW land yachts AHOY... welp belay my last and all that other nautical jibber jabber.

On the road to McIntire they would kink the sides of those yachts as the road is extremely toight.
11-12-2012 06:33 PM
tom h
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
I have a bunch of friends, "go figure" Anyway they are interested in the off road experience. Most of them are older and have SUV's with single wheel drive. I am looking for a nice fire road up in the mountains. Something really easy. Maybe a 3 to 4 hour run on Nov 24th. See some trees and some rocks. Maybe cross a creek. My Jedi master level trail boss is off hiking the yukon or maybe it's the Amazon that weekend so I am left with a "find a trail and do it" message from him. I am such a Noob. I don't know the trails. But I have an IPad 3 and google maps which has all the trails on it in realtime. I just have to watch the little blue pin follow the trail and turn when it tells me to. So what is a really safe road for maybe 8 to 10 trucks?
Forest Route 3S04 off the Ortega Highway in the Cleveland National Forest. Drive north and do a loop descending via Indian Truck Trail. It passes through some rugged valleys with nice vistas. Be sure to go before rainy season as I expect some of these roads close when wet and or snowy.

Lots more easy stuff in San Diego, where I live. Send a reply or message if you want some guidance further south.
11-12-2012 06:28 PM
RadarRob2012
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Originally Posted by Gunner
Yeah do it on a weekday. Won't be crowded that way. I can just mosey along.
Sounds good. I guarantee you'll love the Crab Flats Road run. Creek crossings, big pines, and lots of switchbacks. Just a great fire road. Let me know what you think of it. I might have to go up there myself here pretty soon, now that I'm thinking about it. Lol
11-12-2012 06:04 PM
Gunner Yeah do it on a weekday. Won't be crowded that way. I can just mosey along.
11-12-2012 06:01 PM
RadarRob2012
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Originally Posted by Gunner
I think I will pre run the Crab Flats route first then the Cleghorn.
Well there you go then.
11-12-2012 05:57 PM
Gunner I think I will pre run the Crab Flats route first then the Cleghorn.
11-12-2012 03:23 PM
RadarRob2012
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Originally Posted by hwy1rubi

+1

What I was going to suggest. Cleghorn and all of Pilot Rock is easy if you stay on the fire roads, and skip the side trails.
Not nearly as pretty as Crab Flats Rd. Just saying.
11-12-2012 03:13 PM
hwy1rubi
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Originally Posted by 949OC View Post
Cleghorn and Pilot Rock over to Willow Creek are easy trails with scenery too. There's a water crossing. Not sure how deep it is right now though. Just stay on the fire roads and away from 2N17x.
+1

What I was going to suggest. Cleghorn and all of Pilot Rock is easy if you stay on the fire roads, and skip the side trails.
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