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05-28-2009 11:01 PM
bobdog
security

That looks like a kick A$$ system and I'm sure that it is load like I like my R&R. I have one question: How do you keep it secure? It is a Jeep after all. How do you keep it from getting lifted?

BTW - what is a ball park cost on the whole system? Thanks.
02-08-2009 04:34 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN Here is a more accurate view of the HU.

YouTube - Pioneer Premier® DEH-P600UB CD/MP3/WMA/iTunes AAC/WAV Receiver with Full-Dot OEL Display, USB Direct Control for iPod, and Auto-Flap Face
02-08-2009 04:30 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN Here is the last pictures that I'll be posting for the sound upgrade.

The HU matches all the other Blue LED Mods that I've been doing. The picture doesn't capture that though. It almost looks like a light blue or teal in the pictures, but I assure you the Blue is every bit as deep as the rest of the LED's that you see.
It's just alot brighter, as is the PRND21 Light.

The lights on both amps and the Hard Drive are Blue as well.
I'm glad to finally be rid of all those Stock Green lights.
I really HATE green!





02-07-2009 05:24 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN

Some people had advised me to only go with 1 Sub in the Cargo area. I'm glad that I went with 2. I'm someone that really enjoys the double kick of the bass drum to smack me around a bit. You might take that into consideration if you like to feel the double kick as well.

Of course,
I don't think there is alot of double kick in your Michael Bolton and Kenny G CD's is there?
02-07-2009 08:31 AM
orange05tj Looks great. I need to do some kind of system in mine. Now you'll be able to blast your Poison cd.
02-07-2009 02:27 AM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
It's Finally Done!

Finally, after about a month and a half of BS the stereo upgrade is complete!
It took a while, but it was well worth the wait.

The last stuff I needed to get to complete everything were amp kits, cables, etc. While looking for that stuff, I found a shop that told me if I bought all of it from them, they'd do the install for free. I couldn't pass that up. As it turned out, it saved me a big headache.
There's alot more to it than I anticipated.

Now that it's all in, it sounds great. The Kappa's really are alot better when they are amped out. They have ZERO distortion, and capture the highs very well. The Rockford P2's are very tight and quick with the metal that I listen to, and really pound you in the back when you switch over to some rock/rap type of music. The 160GB HD works flawlessly. The response is every bit as quick as a CD, possibly faster.

The Rockford and Alpine amps are working great as well. The Rockford 500watt that I bought is actually pumping out 800watts. I was able to present it with a 1ohm load because the Rockford P2's are 4 ohm DVC's that could be re-wired. So I'm getting it's FULL power. The Alpine is pumping out the full 75watts per channel because all the Kappa's I bought are 2ohms. That's a total of 1100watts. Will I ever use it to it's potential? Probably not. I like my music loud, and to hit hard, but I also like having ear drums.

The one thing that irritated me is that since the Sub Box has smooth plastic edges that sit a bit higher than the carpet on the box, it slides like crazy in my cargo area. To remedy this, I found an industrial grade rubber floor mat over at Home Depot. They are 3'x3' and after you trim the nipples off of just 1 of the edges, it fits PERFECTLY in your cargo area. It really looks sharp, and of course, now that Sub Box doesn't move an inch.

I'll post some pics below, but will not be able to include one of the HU all lit up at this time. The reason is because I just killed by battery. I was sitting in there listening to music and messing with all the settings, and time got away from me.
Oh well, I'll charge it up tomorrow and post one final picture with it all lit up afterwards. The deck now matches all the interior lighting mods that I just finished doing as well. If you'd like to see that, here's the link:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/inte...g-25750-2.html

But remember, I have a dead battery right now and won't be able to post a completed set of pictures with all the lights together until late tomorrow on that thread as well.













01-21-2009 04:29 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN So it's basically the same theory as using the poly cotton, right? Mabey I'll try one of those methods to get more bass out of them for when I don't have the subs in. We'll see how it goes.
01-20-2009 08:14 PM
Triple88a I'm using pool filter foam in both of my sound bars and i recommend it. It sounds heavier and much deeper.

Filter foam



also my deh 5900ib has 2 settings.

as far as the high and low pass filters go.. turn on your high pass filter if you install a sub. It will automatically turn off the lows to your speakers leaving it all to ur sub. Then if you remove the sub, simply shut off the high pass filter and you're good. The sub should have its own settings of loudness so you will not need to adjust the bass every time you remove or install ur sub.
01-20-2009 05:43 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinHood View Post
wow, good idea and smooth job!

i'll definitely consider doing this myself. these western digital drives are amazingly small and yet huuuuge in storage space and also very reliable. i've been using a 250 and a 320 for my MacBook Air (nowhere enough storage space there...) for a while now - great products!
Yep, that WD 160GB HD I bought for the golve box is tiny as hell, damn near silent, and 3x as fast as my 500GB Hitachi. And for just $56, who could pass that up? I just hope the HU recognizes it.
It should, as a Mass Storage Device anyway.
01-20-2009 05:24 PM
RobinHood
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post
I had some free time this evening, so I decided to install the Hard Drive into the Glove Box. It was very simple.

All you have to do is remove the Glove Box,
then drill a 7/8" hole into each side of the Glove Box. This allows you to use a 1 1/8" OD Rubber Grommet, that has a 5/8" ID. The 5/8" hole that's left, is the smallest size hole that you will be able to fit a Standard Size USB end into, to make your connection. After that, just insert your Grommets, mount your Hard Drive, and plug'er in. Good to go!
Bye-Bye CD's.

If anyone is wondering why I drilled a hole in each side of the Glove Box:
I thought it looked better than to just have one "odd ball" hole on the left.
Plus, if I ever want to run anything else through the Glove Box, it will be there waiting for me.
wow, good idea and smooth job!

i'll definitely consider doing this myself. these western digital drives are amazingly small and yet huuuuge in storage space and also very reliable. i've been using a 250 and a 320 for my MacBook Air (nowhere enough storage space there...) for a while now - great products!
01-20-2009 03:22 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
Quote:
Originally Posted by AzTJ View Post
Yeah, but the only downside is that the HU only saves one custom EQ setup... so you'd manually have to re-adjust every time you take out or put the sub back in. It's not overly complicated on adjusting the sound, just takes a little fine tuning.
I bought the 600UB. It's supposed to have 2 custom user EQ settings, so maybe that will help assist me in the constant swapping I have to do.

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Originally Posted by AzTJ View Post
ALSO - should I install some high-pass filters between my HU and the dash/roll bar speakers once I install the sub? I have my HPF on the HU setup to 180Hz right now to kinda tame them, but once the sub is in, I'll want the bass.
Logically speaking, yes. But I don't have all my stuff installed and done yet, so I can't really say yes or no with any solid conviction. At this point, all I can say is, if you're not happy with one, try the other.
01-20-2009 02:27 PM
AzTJ
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post
Your SounBar is enclosed, and will act like a better box for you than those baffles ever will. It's not an ideal box, but still better than using the baffles in there.
That's what I figured. Since the sound bar is somewhat enclosed it would be wrong to use the baffles.

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And if you intend to get that 10" Sub, it might not matter much to you either.
BTW, what are you looking to get? And you have the 4000, how do you like it?
As far as the sub, I'm looking at one of the MTX self-powered Thunderlink units. I had a 10" MTX in my Tracker and that thing was awesome, although it had a dedicated amp. I want the all-in-one mainly for ease of removal and not worrying about an amp overheating under a seat or something.

The 4000UB is awesome. I love it, best stereo I've had. I have a 4GB Corsair USB thumb drive plugged into it since day one and I love not having any CD's but am planning on getting a 120GB iPod soon too.

Quote:
That will leave me with very little bass, but I guess I can always change every thing over to full range in that case, rather than using the High and Low pass filters, right?
Yeah, but the only downside is that the HU only saves one custom EQ setup... so you'd manually have to re-adjust every time you take out or put the sub back in. It's not overly complicated on adjusting the sound, just takes a little fine tuning.


ALSO - should I install some high-pass filters between my HU and the dash/roll bar speakers once I install the sub? I have my HPF on the HU setup to 180Hz right now to kinda tame them, but once the sub is in, I'll want the bass.
01-20-2009 01:25 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
Thats because the guy is using only 1 tiny sheet in the middle. Where the sheet is, its all even.




btw the guys from the other thread are using the triled.. the 1st one on that page
I'll probably try the LED's first. PlugnPlay, no hassle. One of the guys stated that they are only slightly brighter than our stock lights. That's fine with me though.
I have Limo all the way around, and at night it's a bit hard to see. The more light that I have blasting me in the face will only make it harder IMO.
01-20-2009 12:46 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
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Originally Posted by AzTJ View Post
Hey Blacktooth, did you use those foam baffle things for the 6.5's in the sound bar?

I'm looking to spend my tax return on speakers for my TJ and am eyeing the Infinity Reference ones. Already have a Pioneer DEH-P4000UB head unit to power them(don't want an amp anywhere) and will later get a small 10" powered sub to put in the back.
Nope. Everyone I talked to advised not to use them in the SounBar. And after the crappy sound experience I had with them in my dash, I can see why. Your SounBar is enclosed, and will act like a better box for you than those baffles ever will. It's not an ideal box, but still better than using the baffles in there.

From what i experienced, it would really wipe out alot of your sound. I've talked to some local audio guys here, and they have all suggested filling the rest of the SoundBar with polyurethane cotton for some better sound and better bass. I didn't do it though. I didn't want to have a big mess of crap up there, ya know? Plus, I'll be putting my Subs in soon anyways, after i get this crap handled with the HU. And if you intend to get that 10" Sub, it might not matter much to you either.
BTW, what are you looking to get? And you have the 4000, how do you like it?

The only reason that I would consider doing it, is because my German Shepard rides with me quite a bit, and when he does I'll have to pull the Subs out. That will leave me with very little bass, but I guess I can always change every thing over to full range in that case, rather than using the High and Low pass filters, right?

So you're putting in the Refeerence's? Cool. I like the new Kappa's that I got. They're a bit on the High Freq Side, but that just makes them more crisp. Are the References rated that way too? Once you add Subs, you'll apreciate the highs more, I'm sure.

Good Luck, and show the stuff you do!
01-19-2009 10:04 PM
AzTJ Hey Blacktooth, did you use those foam baffle things for the 6.5's in the sound bar?

I'm looking to spend my tax return on speakers for my TJ and am eyeing the Infinity Reference ones. Already have a Pioneer DEH-P4000UB head unit to power them(don't want an amp anywhere) and will later get a small 10" powered sub to put in the back.
01-19-2009 07:47 PM
Triple88a Thats because the guy is using only 1 tiny sheet in the middle. Where the sheet is, its all even.

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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post
hmm....
That looks to be more uneven to me than these though.

btw the guys from the other thread are using the triled.. the 1st one on that page
01-19-2009 07:37 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN hmm....
That looks to be more uneven to me than these though. Look at the left edge in the link you provided. Still, it would look cool though. Really neat for bike gages!
Attachment 6080

The only place I've found to get the LEDs so far is this place.
Autolumination Instrument Panel Light Bulbs & Lamps)

I've read that you need #74 bulbs, but there's like 4-5 different kinds to choose from. Which is the right one??

Bad news with the HU. It came in today, and I noticed a small scuff on the display. Nothing to big, but it got my curiosity up. Everything in the box "looked" okay, but the HU wasn't sealed in anyway. It was just in it's plastic bag with the end folded over. Everything else was sealed though. Plus the scuff, ya know. To make a long story short, i ended up making them send me out another one, and I'm glad I did. I got to looking at even more carefully afterwords and found alot of scrapes on the rear end. It looks like someone had tried to install it, then returned it for some reason. And of course, I get the shit end of the stick again. At least I caught it though, I guess...
All this little shit really pushes things back though, and that's what really gets me steamed, ya know?

But....if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all right?
01-19-2009 06:37 PM
Triple88a i thought about that dash lights but then i found this. I will do this on my bike over the summer

Eee PC School: Add a Keyboard Backlight For Under $15 | Popular Science

Obviously this is for a keyboard but i will use the same backlight since its flat and even all across. You have no idea how ugly uneven gauges look. Bright by the lights, darker far from them, uck.
01-19-2009 08:43 AM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN Yeah, I'm going to file a dispute with Paypal today. I'm not even going to give the little bitch a final warning. I've contacted him 3 times about it already. He knows what he's trying to pull. What I hate about it is that it most likely take a month or two to get the money back. That's how long it took before with previous disputes. And that's the reason I try to stay away from ebay. To many dishonest sh*tbags are there waiting to try and jack you around.

As for the Kappas, I think they sound good man. At least 10 fold over the Pioneer and Sony's that were in there. I took those baffles off of there though. That really did make them sound bad. Crutchfield will refund either way, no worries.

My HU should arrive sometime today. Now maybe I can get this thing wrapped up in a few days or so.

The only other thing that I was considering doing right now is changing out the dash lights to some of those blue LED's. But I don't know where the best place is to get them, what part # I need for a 98 Sahara, how many, what style is the best, bla, bla, bla. And I'm also having problems with my rear tires taking chunks out of my fender flares. So maybe that should come first. I dunno.
01-18-2009 01:21 PM
Triple88a Dude go to paypal and file a dispute. He will answer then. Do it before its too late before he pull out of paypal.

As far as the foam junk. They would sound nicer than no box at all but since you're putting it in the dash.. it makes it sound worse since before the dash acted as the box. (called Free air)

Simply that "foam box" is too small so it sound empty. Also that same reason is why we will never be able to get good sound out of our sound bars. Basic laws of speakers is you want the box to be as cuby as possible but yet with no straight edges or walls. A sphere is the best shape so far. On the other hand, you dont want it flat and long like our sound bars.

You put those Kappas in a flat box like our sound bar, they sound like junk. You put them in a cube, they sound okay, you put them in a sphere box.. thats when it really takes off.

And by junk, i am not saying worse than ur stockers Just not good comparing to what they could sound like.
01-18-2009 10:01 AM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
Foam Speaker Baffles

My replacement Kappa's finally came in from Crutchfield, so I decided to try out the Speaker Baffles that I had bought, since I had to swap out the Speakers anyways. Well, that just created more aggravation.

I don't know what experiences the rest of you guys have had with Baffles in the dash, but in my opinion, they're flat out GARBAGE! They made those speakers sound terrible! Now, let me explain:

The baffles DO focus the sound forward like they are supposed to, and make the music a bit louder, I'll give them that. And they DO make the music "tighter", but that's as far as it goes. They really strip away the fullness of the sound, and ruin any type of acoustics that you may or may not have in your TJ. That may not bother some people, but that's part of what I like about listening to music. The way the sound bounces of things, resonates, and hits you from different angles. Take that away, and you get a bla effect.

When you really think about it, it makes sense. These baffles are foam. What does foam do? It ABSORBS sound. You'd think that I would have thought about that ahead of time from my Garage Band days. That's how we avoided the cops paying us a visit every other day, by lining the walls with foam. With that being said, maybe the Plastic Speaker Baffles would have a better sound, right?

At least Crutchfield offerers a full refund.

* Important Note:
I returned those shitty 5.25" PVC Speaker Adapter Plates to the guy on Ebay that I bought them from. He was supposed to refund me in full. USPS confirms that he received them. It's been a week, and no refund. I've emailed him 3 times about it, still...NOTHING! This guy is a F!#king Crook! So now, I'm out the $17.98, Plus the $5.00 for returning them. Please tell everyone you know to stay away from this guy. His Ebay Seller name is mjmautoinovations.
The Steel Adapters from OffRoadToys are much better anyway.



01-15-2009 10:10 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN Thanks.

Now I just have to install the HU that supports it.
That won't come in until Tuesday or Wednesday next week though. So maybe I can have it in by the following weeked becuase i still have to do the amps and subs.

Jeeeze this seems like it has taken a long time! It's all cause of BS shipping though. Whatcha gonna do?
01-15-2009 10:01 PM
Triple88a yup i see it

either way man its nice
01-15-2009 09:55 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN I just wanted to be able to get to it quick and easy. That way, when I want to add a CD to it, no hassle. Unplug and go.

I mounted it vertically to the rear wall of the Glove Box, so it only takes up a 1/2" of space. I basically still have a full size Box minus that little 1/2".
01-15-2009 09:44 PM
Triple88a there wasnt enough space on the other side of the glove box or did u put it there just so u can remove and install it easier?
01-15-2009 09:35 PM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
Hard Drive Install

I had some free time this evening, so I decided to install the Hard Drive into the Glove Box. It was very simple.

All you have to do is remove the Glove Box,
then drill a 7/8" hole into each side of the Glove Box. This allows you to use a 1 1/8" OD Rubber Grommet, that has a 5/8" ID. The 5/8" hole that's left, is the smallest size hole that you will be able to fit a Standard Size USB end into, to make your connection. After that, just insert your Grommets, mount your Hard Drive, and plug'er in. Good to go!
Bye-Bye CD's.

If anyone is wondering why I drilled a hole in each side of the Glove Box:
I thought it looked better than to just have one "odd ball" hole on the left.
Plus, if I ever want to run anything else through the Glove Box, it will be there waiting for me.

















01-12-2009 11:40 AM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
Quote:
Originally Posted by emev0l View Post
If anyone is unhappy with anything from Crutchfield they will let you return anything.

Crutchfield will then test the speakers and if they check out ok they will sell them on there site for less as open tested speakers.
Good to hear that they don't just throw it back in the box, back on the shelf, and sell it as "new", like Circuit City does!
01-12-2009 07:09 AM
emev0l If anyone is unhappy with anything from Crutchfield they will let you return anything.

Crutchfield will then test the speakers and if they check out ok they will sell them on there site for less as open tested speakers.
01-12-2009 01:56 AM
BLACKTOOTHGRIN
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinHood View Post
damn, that is frustrating... but stupid question: what's the DB button control?

the big kappas are back? interesting, sounds to me like they bumped into some more of those babies when doing a random inventory of their stock rooms (ha!) - OR they got a significant number of those things returned by their clients for reasons unknown and are now trying to sell them again... (am i going too far here..??)
It would be pretty hard to sell returned items as new. (being as they are opened and all) But I sure wouldn't put it past an electronics store to try it though. I once returned a internet purchase of a camera to Circuit City because it had a puncture hole straight through the package. They exchanged it no problem. A few days later I was in there, and I found the camera and box that I returned back out on the shelf for sale as new. Big companies are shady like that. Anything to turn a profit. Morals don't pay as well. Sad, but true.

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Originally Posted by RobinHood View Post
uh, no, i bought TWO pairs of the 5.25s for $60 each and two sets of baffles for $7 each. terrific deal, IF they work.
Good to hear! For a minute, I thought you paid full price for those things. I'm still waiting on my exchange. Should be here Thursday. Then I can get started on everything else, maybe. 2 of the new Pioneer HU's are being released this month. I might wait for one of them. I'm not sure yet.

When do you expect your Kappas?
01-11-2009 05:26 PM
RobinHood
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post

You spent $130 on one set of these? WTF!? Did you miss the sale or something?
uh, no, i bought TWO pairs of the 5.25s for $60 each and two sets of baffles for $7 each. terrific deal, IF they work.
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