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11-20-2012 11:15 AM
mark1914 Pics of the 2002 auto with 103,000


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11-20-2012 09:32 AM
mark1914 I plan on doing just that tomorrow.
11-20-2012 12:43 AM
Jacqui You should test drive both a 2.5L and a 4.0L so you can get a taste of both and compare. Poke that TJ's rust, for sure!
11-19-2012 12:11 PM
mark1914 I know you guys said I should wait and shop around for a 4.0 but the yellow 2.5 auto is tempting. I'm going to drive out and check it out Wednesday. Dealer said there were some small rust spots on it. Maybe a good negotiating point.
11-19-2012 09:10 AM
mark1914 Well, I mentioned the automatic because I don't drive a manual. Like I said I've tried before but never to any length to own one. I do ride a motorcycle so you'd think I could drive a stick shift. Lol. Also, I wasnt planning on doing any real off roading. It would be my dd and here in St. Louis 4-5:30pm is rush hour! I'm usually in the thick of traffic heading to my second job.
11-18-2012 04:26 PM
matt88-8 The silver one is very nice looking..
11-18-2012 03:15 PM
Jacqui The 6 cylinder looks nice. I would inquire as to what exactly is meant by the "rebuilt rear end" comment. Maybe it has upgraded rear axles... or it could be that it was in a collision and had all that replaced? Definitely work the price down on that.

As far as the yellow one goes, I'm not sure I would want a 4 cyl Auto. Seems like it would be awfully sluggish. But I never test drove one, so I can't say for sure.
11-18-2012 01:45 PM
mark1914 And another:
2002 Jeep Wrangler SE For Sale In Glencoe MO 63038 - WILDWOOD MOTORS
11-18-2012 01:18 PM
mark1914 Found another one. A little high in the price but negotiation is doable.



http://www.lslautocollectionmo.com/v...?VID=157651766
11-18-2012 12:29 PM
The Green Machine
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Originally Posted by duaneduanet View Post
From what the mechanic told me... 5th gear is held in by a clip and not bolts like the rest of the gears.

So... from that we can imagine all of the folks who lifted their Jeeps, and put big tires on them, have a good reason to not miss 5th gear. They all say 5th gear is powerless anyway.
11-18-2012 12:25 PM
duaneduanet From what the mechanic told me... 5th gear is held in by a clip and not bolts like the rest of the gears.
11-18-2012 12:23 PM
duaneduanet I had a1995 YJ with a 2.5 and a ax-5 and fifth went out at 135,000 miles. Looked on here and there were all kinds of threads about it. Took it to the transmission shop and he said he sees this same problem at least 20 times a year.
11-18-2012 09:31 AM
tallzdatank
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Originally Posted by duaneduanet
Take a good flashlight with you. I probably spent 20 minutes under my jeep before I even opened the doors. The salesman probably thought I was crazy lol. I bought my 1997 4.0 5 speed for $6000 "out the door". With only 104,000 miles. I learned to drive a stick shift by purchasing a 1999 Trans am. Before that I had never driven a stick shift. Now I don't want any more automatics. Manuals are cheaper to fix if ever needed and can get better gas mileage depending on how you drive it. Another think is the 2.5 jeeps have a transmission that are known for 5th gear to go out. The 4.0 has a better transmission.
my yj had the ax-5 with 190,000 when my brother sold it. no gear issues. my tj has the same with 120,000 no issues. in fact ive never heard an ax-5 loose 5th. ive known them to loose 2nd but not 5th.
11-18-2012 09:18 AM
The Green Machine
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Originally Posted by duaneduanet View Post
Another think is the 2.5 jeeps have a transmission that are known for 5th gear to go out. The 4.0 has a better transmission.
Which transmission is that? I have an AX-5, with 148,000 miles and still have 5th gear. 2nd is a bear to go into on a cold morning though.
11-18-2012 01:30 AM
duaneduanet Take a good flashlight with you. I probably spent 20 minutes under my jeep before I even opened the doors. The salesman probably thought I was crazy lol. I bought my 1997 4.0 5 speed for $6000 "out the door". With only 104,000 miles. I learned to drive a stick shift by purchasing a 1999 Trans am. Before that I had never driven a stick shift. Now I don't want any more automatics. Manuals are cheaper to fix if ever needed and can get better gas mileage depending on how you drive it. Another think is the 2.5 jeeps have a transmission that are known for 5th gear to go out. The 4.0 has a better transmission.
11-18-2012 12:31 AM
The Green Machine IMO, the 2.5 is a better motor than the 2.4.
11-18-2012 12:26 AM
Jacqui Then definitely steer clear of that rusty bucket you saw earlier. Be patient and don't rush the process. My husband and I perused Jeeps for sale for maybe five months before we found one we just had to have. We waited for the right opportunity. Hold out for a rust-free rig that's the price you want to pay. Don't hesitate to walk away if you're at all doubtful that it's The One.
11-17-2012 10:38 PM
mark1914 I will check out the three I like tomorrow and post pics here. Part of me wants to get a stick and just learn. ANother side of me wants to just get an automatic. Rust scares me here in Missouri.
11-17-2012 09:57 PM
Ebxgsxr i definitely agree with craigslist. that is where i found my last 2 jeeps.
11-17-2012 07:31 PM
Jeepn Again That's a pretty good price for our area on the red jeep with the full doors, a/c and hard top. IF the rust is non existent. If it's rusty, pass. Don't buy someone else's problem. You can sell the top and doors for $1500 and have a $3000 jeep for driving on nice days! I'll buy the top from you!
11-17-2012 07:13 PM
Jacqui Get good pics of the rust and share them here. Bring a screwdriver so you can poke around and see just how far the rust extends. If you can actually see holes in the frame, that means it needs a lot of work underneath to patch it up... If you have the tools and know-how to do it yourself, it might not be so bad. But I imagine the cost of having the frame repaired by a shop would not be cheap. Maybe someone with experience can pop in here and comment on that. You can always ask to take the Jeep to a shop you trust to get an estimate. Keep the cost in mind and use it as a bargaining chip during negotiations.

Or just hold out and wait for a better one to come along. I personally wanted a rust-free Jeep because any time you cut into the frame, it creates weak points that can buckle or fail during a collision. Our LJ lived in the desert so we didn't have to worry about rust at all. Consider price vs repair cost, time required to repair the frame, whether you want to put work into your new Jeep right away (which you should, if the rust is as extensive as it sounds). And, if you get really cold winters where you are, you might want to hold out for full doors and a hardtop, or at least full doors.

The price is high on the 2001, but the mileage is low. Definitely worth checking out.
11-17-2012 07:12 PM
Water Dog Love the Sienna Pearl color.
11-17-2012 06:04 PM
mark1914
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Originally Posted by Jeepn Again View Post
That's funny. I drive past that jeep every day. At least for as long as its been on the lot. It looks clean. The only reason I didn't stop was because of the half doors. I prefer the full for our colder weather here. Had both and that's just my personal preference so any jeep I look at will have full doors and hopefully a hardtop. If I were you, I'd be searching Craigslist. That's where the good deals (steals) are. I'm your competition on Craigslist though, ha! That's where I found mine.
Lol, I looked on Craigs too. Thats where I saw the red 2000 one. It was over in Granite City, IL. Price was nice but the rust underneath made me nervous. The seller has been emailing me for the last two hours dropping the price each time. He's down to 4500. I'm going to go back over tomorrow and take pics of the rust.

I'm going to go see the other one tomorrow.
11-17-2012 05:59 PM
Jeepn Again
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4.0 sort of like this? Going to go check it out tomorrow while they are closed so I can take my time and really look around it.

2001 Jeep Wrangler 2dr Sport Sienna Pearl 2 Dr. Wagon. A Jeep Wrangler at Suntrup Hyundai St. Louis MO
That's funny. I drive past that jeep every day. At least for as long as its been on the lot. It looks clean. The only reason I didn't stop was because of the half doors. I prefer the full for our colder weather here. Had both and that's just my personal preference so any jeep I look at will have full doors and hopefully a hardtop. If I were you, I'd be searching Craigslist. That's where the good deals (steals) are. I'm your competition on Craigslist though, ha! That's where I found mine.
11-17-2012 05:38 PM
mark1914 I'm not in a major rush at all. My Honda runs fine. I really like the 98 with 120,000 miles. I can negotiate the $6500. Its a manual and I'm thinking it would be good to learn how to drive a manual on. Plus I can pay it off pretty quick. Like within the next year!
11-17-2012 04:53 PM
Ebxgsxr if you're not in a hurry, that's when you will find the best deal. i bought my 99 with 40k miles & a long list of mods that i was going to do anyway (more than i was looking to do) for a great price. i tried talking the guy down, but he only came down $500 b/c he knew what he had & what he could get.
11-17-2012 04:34 PM
mark1914 4.0 sort of like this? Going to go check it out tomorrow while they are closed so I can take my time and really look around it.

2001 Jeep Wrangler 2dr Sport Sienna Pearl 2 Dr. Wagon. A Jeep Wrangler at Suntrup Hyundai St. Louis MO
11-17-2012 04:32 PM
mark1914
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If you are not in a hurry, keep looking. There are good deals out there, you just have to be patient. I just bought 2000 v6 with 80k miles for $8300 from a big dealership. It was listed at $10995. I test drove it, negotiated, and made a point of telling them that this Jeep was going to be a weekend vehicle.

Even though it was a 12 yr old vehicle, and extremely clean and well taken care of, I nitpicked it a little bit. When they didn't get to a price I liked, I walked and continued looking at other Jeeps. Over the next week and a half the dealership called me numerous times and finally got to a price that I liked.

Remember, its your money! Its their job to get your money and your job to keep as much of it as possible. Nitpick and start with a reasonable low offer....the worst a dealership can say is NO... good luck
Wow, thats awesome. What things should I nitpick at? I havent owned a Jeep since 2006 so I'm a bit rusty on buying cars.
11-17-2012 04:09 PM
Buzzoff If you are not in a hurry, keep looking. There are good deals out there, you just have to be patient. I just bought 2000 v6 with 80k miles for $8300 from a big dealership. It was listed at $10995. I test drove it, negotiated, and made a point of telling them that this Jeep was going to be a weekend vehicle.

Even though it was a 12 yr old vehicle, and extremely clean and well taken care of, I nitpicked it a little bit. When they didn't get to a price I liked, I walked and continued looking at other Jeeps. Over the next week and a half the dealership called me numerous times and finally got to a price that I liked.

Remember, its your money! Its their job to get your money and your job to keep as much of it as possible. Nitpick and start with a reasonable low offer....the worst a dealership can say is NO... good luck
11-17-2012 04:08 PM
drexel Try and find a 4.0 they are such a better driveline and hold value way better.
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