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12-04-2012 02:20 PM
Speedy4x4 So pretty much if they don't know what year...
I mainly want to look at the perches (weld on and not the cast in ones)
And of course HP 44

Anything about the rear?
12-04-2012 02:10 PM
Ibuildembig If they are leaf sprung fronts with 5 lug, they are out of an extended cab and thats what you want. I bet most of them will have the ears either welded on (75-77) or cast into (78-79)....you can't use the 78-79 at all very easily.
12-04-2012 12:45 PM
Speedy4x4 Ok,
So it seems I have quite a few leads on D44 and 9" from people I know on other local forums and a few buddies of mine.

But, nobody can tell me years they are from.
Or type of ford other than "oh half ton"

How can I idenify them?

Knuckle type?
Brake type?
Width?
Perch style?

Also I have a gear setup friend. But, where's a good source for gears that has good products, price and doesn't have a outsourced underpaid employee half ass production of the gears?
12-03-2012 07:49 PM
Ibuildembig Mine would almost clear with 6 inch flares so if you got a deeper backspace you can do it
12-03-2012 07:41 PM
Speedy4x4 I don't think even my dreams will need 8 lug.
That and no hum... I can't say it... well no hu%$er parts for me
12-03-2012 05:18 PM
darkproximity Great answer
12-03-2012 05:08 PM
Speedy4x4 OP here.

I'll be doing a junk yard build.
Most likely I will stick with my underpowered 2.5l until it bites the dust.
(That's always my plan. That makes the engine last longer. Gives them something to prove)
So until that time comes cost will be minimal.

My plan is to collect cheap finds and find deals. Not just go buy everything and pay out the nose.

As far as coils go.
If I wanted that I would have got a TJ.


As far as the purpose of this rig...
Simply to make me smile. :-D

I'm going to do as much as I possibly can myself and what I can't do myself I got a good friend that likes six packs. And 24 packs
12-03-2012 05:06 PM
darkproximity Unless you're going to air shocks or maybe coilovers then i could see justifying linking, but i don't really see any reason to swap to a linked suspension on regular coils.

If you think you can't make leaf springs flex or ride nicely then that's just being ignorant. When you can get springs for 13 bucks per corner and they flex and ride the way mine do, what reason would someone have to pay for links/coils?

I'm not trying to turn this thread into a leaf/coil debate as we're discussing axles, maybe the OP will chime in and justify his reasons
12-03-2012 04:56 PM
Ibuildembig It all depends on what the ops uses are.
12-03-2012 04:54 PM
IndyJeepMan If your spending thousands on a full rig to repurpose why not get the best suspension for the money?

Coil/link really isnt all that expensive if you can do the work. Coming from coil link to leaf i see why i want to go back
12-03-2012 04:16 PM
darkproximity It's not that difficult to covert to 8 lug.. And why spend thousands on coils when leafs are working just fine?
12-03-2012 04:09 PM
IndyJeepMan Too bad you dont have 8 lug axles or you could run H2 rims or recentered H1's.

With all those mods why not switch to a better coil/link suspension.
12-03-2012 04:00 PM
darkproximity
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibuildembig

Sorda, the best one will be 76-79 F150 extended cab since they are already leaf sprung 5 lug

OP, if you get a 5 inch backspace wheel I bet a TJ flare would cover it all
Are they 2 3/4 tube too? Or 3 like the half ton
12-03-2012 03:04 PM
Ibuildembig
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Originally Posted by darkproximity View Post
The desirable years for the front 44 half ton is 76 and 77, 73-75 will work too but come with drum brakes, so a knuckle-out swap is needed to have discs.. 78 and 79 are cast in wedges and can't be removed.
Sorda, the best one will be 76-79 F150 extended cab since they are already leaf sprung 5 lug

OP, if you get a 5 inch backspace wheel I bet a TJ flare would cover it all
12-03-2012 01:13 PM
Speedy4x4 Looks good.
Not too bad.
Some home built tube fenders shouldn't look funky covering those extra few inches at all.
How wide are those tires?
12-03-2012 03:00 AM
BDK
Here is my 95 on D44 front and Ford 9in rear on 36in tires, the flares are the 6in ones and the tire still stick out a couple inches.
12-01-2012 09:51 PM
draarong2004
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Originally Posted by darkproximity View Post
The desirable years for the front 44 half ton is 76 and 77, 73-75 will work too but come with drum brakes, so a knuckle-out swap is needed to have discs.. 78 and 79 are cast in wedges and can't be removed.
i must have newer than i thought then....mine disc with welded on wedges

to the original poster, if you have wheels with the right backspacing, you could possibly still tuck the tires in with no wider than 6-7' flares...and still have decent turning radius
12-01-2012 07:46 PM
darkproximity The desirable years for the front 44 half ton is 76 and 77, 73-75 will work too but come with drum brakes, so a knuckle-out swap is needed to have discs.. 78 and 79 are cast in wedges and can't be removed.
12-01-2012 07:45 PM
schnutzy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy4x4
On a side note about the same jeep. And project.

How far can a YJ be stretched using junk yard parts?

Suspension wise.

I'll get drive shafts made. I got a place in portland I like.
I believe you can use dodge Dakota springs to get 6+ inches per axle, however that brings up a whole new world of problems. Flipped XJ rear springs are another common choice.
12-01-2012 07:26 PM
draarong2004
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Originally Posted by darkproximity View Post
I also have a Ford 44 and 9 inch out of a 74 f100, the wms to wms is about 64.5" i have 3 inch backspace wheels and 12.5 wide km2s.. 6 inch wide flares and i have about 2 inches of tread that aren't covered
awesome...sounds about what mine will stick out then, my front axle is from an early 70's ford, and the rear 9" is a 77 ford.....iirc they are the same width as yours.

to the op, if your front d44 is old enough, you can cut the "wedges" off so you can put your spring perches where you need to, i believe its 77 and newer that they were "cast" into the axle, prior to that they were welded on.
12-01-2012 07:20 PM
Speedy4x4 Ok so here is my list.

I know its incomplete

V8/SOA/Stretch

Stage one
1/2 ton ford axles from ext cab 7?-78 D44+9"
4.56 gears & rear locker for new axles if they dont come with them or 4.10
Roll bar tie in kit
Beef up rear roll bar
Waggy springs
Drive shafts
Home built tube fenders & front bumper
Perches?
HD boom shackles (little-0 lift)
P.U. bushings
33x10.5x15 M/T's
Axle nic nacs

Stage two.

Explorer 5.0
C-4 or C-6 Floor shifter+stage 1 or 2 shift kit w/ cooler
Dual cats into one "quiter" muffler maybe stock v8 type
Traction bars (anti wrap)
Mustang or ford racing wiring harness+ecu
Engine nic nacs (intake headers filters hoses ect)
Large high heat transfer radiator.

Stage three

Rebuild or upgrade engine parts. (Heads, port intake, cam ect)
37's
Selectable lockers if not done already
Rock sliders
Rear bumper w/ large tire carrier
HD skids
Sub-lime paint (mopar or match)
12-01-2012 06:02 PM
darkproximity yeah the wagoneer springs are really nice, mine ride smooth but i need to get new shocks soon, still have the ones the PO put on it who knows how long ago
12-01-2012 05:41 PM
Speedy4x4 As its angled back. Do you notice if it handles rough trials better. Like bumps and small holes.

Smoother that is?
12-01-2012 05:37 PM
Speedy4x4 Yeah I have the yrs written down somewhere. Ibuildembig told them to me.
12-01-2012 05:34 PM
darkproximity you do know there are only certain years of front dana 44s that will work, right?
12-01-2012 05:31 PM
Speedy4x4 No, I can figure it out when I get my axles and waggy springs.

If I can't I'll post up then.
12-01-2012 05:24 PM
darkproximity
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy4x4

Also good to know.
How much axle work did you need to do?
Or do the perches line up good?

That's gives me an idea.
I wonder what 6" flares (possibly flat style) would look like with 2-3" spacers or block between the flare and fender. Painted black and cut to match the flares contour.

Btw I have a machine shop I can use when business is slow.
I got these axles out of another Jeep someone had done a conversion on, but they were set up for SUA.. So we had to essentially re do them for SOA. it wasn't that bad really, kept the SUA perches on, that way if i ever wanted to sell them they'd be usable in both applications. I just checked the placement of the perches laterally on the axle, not that i didn't trust the ones on the bottom, but since i didn't put those ones on i wanted to make sure it was correct. If you want i can tell you exactly how i did it
12-01-2012 05:19 PM
darkproximity
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy4x4
Ok thanks for the info.

So I'll aim and 2.5" and not worry about that 1/2+-
I think my additional inch or so comes from the fact that the eyes of the springs aren't on the same plane, ie. the front shackle leaf mounting hole is higher up than frame hanger hole, this translates to the spring perch not being parallel to the ground, it's angled back, and thus the centering pin hole is not directly centered over the axle.

When setting up the front axle we were more concerned about caster angle than pinion angle btw and we mocked it up accordingly.
12-01-2012 05:14 PM
Speedy4x4
Quote:
Originally Posted by darkproximity View Post
I also have a Ford 44 and 9 inch out of a 74 f100, the wms to wms is about 64.5" i have 3 inch backspace wheels and 12.5 wide km2s.. 6 inch wide flares and i have about 2 inches of tread that aren't covered
Also good to know.
How much axle work did you need to do?
Or do the perches line up good?

That's gives me an idea.
I wonder what 6" flares (possibly flat style) would look like with 2-3" spacers or block between the flare and fender. Painted black and cut to match the flares contour.

Btw I have a machine shop I can use when business is slow.
12-01-2012 05:12 PM
Speedy4x4 Ok thanks for the info.

So I'll aim and 2.5" and not worry about that 1/2+-
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