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01-01-2013 01:45 PM
TJDave ^^ You guys done yet? The OP just asked a couple simple questions.


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Originally Posted by Kevin063 View Post
Which would offer the better ride? A BB spacer lift or a coil spring lift set?
All depends on the springs and shocks used.

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Originally Posted by Kevin063 View Post
When you had the BB, did you run stock shocks or did you upgrade?
I installed soft, cheap, longer shocks back when I had a BB. Skyjacker Hydros for 2"-3" of lift.
01-01-2013 01:36 PM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
And this isn't that thread. And that wasn't said here.
Well now you know .
01-01-2013 01:19 PM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post
Oh, here's the quote from the OP in the other thread .
And this isn't that thread. And that wasn't said here.
01-01-2013 01:13 PM
Moabrubi Oh, here's the quote from the OP in the other thread .

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Originally Posted by Kevin063 View Post
Well, I don't do much wheeling, except light, light trails. And money is a huge factor and these two are the same price (+/-)
01-01-2013 01:07 PM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
I never said you should buy anything! I said give the right setup with longer shocks and springs you can gain more travel. This discussion wasn't for your benefit it was for the op. Who actually didn't ask about a cheap lift, but about ride quality of bb vs new springs.
OK?? You keep talking about this "right setup" which probably involves out boarding and high clearance fenders. This has nothing to do with what the OP wanted. I would just like to wheel with someone so they can show me how much more awesome flex they get with their longer springs vs my lowly spacers .

He posted another thread that you probably didn't read and it sounded like he was on a budget, which is why I recommended spacers. I guess us lowly spacer people will just go back to Nordstroms because we can't hang with the big boys with their longer springs.
01-01-2013 12:56 PM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post

I must have those magic spacers then because at full bump my shocks aren't bottomed out, my spring is still seated, and my tire is almost touching my fender lip.

How many times do I need to say i don't want any added height with this setup? My rig works fine, and those that have wheeled with me can testify to that. You keep telling me to buy RC coils when i said im not on board with your whole "lcg" thing. There is absolutely no reason to go spend $300 on new coils which will gain me nothing when they will go in the trash in a few months when i get my real lift on.

The OP said in another thread he is doing light trails. Last time I checked you don't need super hardcore flex to go on fire roads. He just wants a better ride which is all in the shocks.
I never said you should buy anything! I said give the right setup with longer shocks and springs you can gain more travel. This discussion wasn't for your benefit it was for the op. Who actually didn't ask about a cheap lift, but about ride quality of bb vs new springs.
01-01-2013 12:50 PM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by rda616

If you can't unseat your stock springs with spacers your shocks are limiting your down travel, so yes they are your limiting factor of overall travel. Travel is both up and down. And aftermarket springs like rc 2.5" progressive's are longer then your stock springs and spacers combined!
I must have those magic spacers then because at full bump my shocks aren't bottomed out, my spring is still seated, and my tire is almost touching my fender lip.

How many times do I need to say i don't want any added height with this setup? My rig works fine, and those that have wheeled with me can testify to that. You keep telling me to buy RC coils when i said im not on board with your whole "lcg" thing. There is absolutely no reason to go spend $300 on new coils which will gain me nothing when they will go in the trash in a few months when i get my real lift on.

The OP said in another thread he is doing light trails. Last time I checked you don't need super hardcore flex to go on fire roads. He just wants a better ride which is all in the shocks.
01-01-2013 12:39 PM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post

How is it not correct? Like i've said before my limiter is my fenders. It is not the springs or the shocks. If you threw in a coil thats exactly my height you would not see any gains in travel. The fender is the limiter.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to convince me a spring is better. Of course a longer spring with outboarded 12" shocks and hilines is a better route. I think you missed the point of the thread being that this is a cheap and easy solution to gain a bit of height. Spacers are cheaper and easier.

With a Jeep with stock suspension (yes this includes stock shock mounts) and fenders spacers yield the same results as longer springs. End of story.
If you can't unseat your stock springs with spacers your shocks are limiting your down travel, so yes they are your limiting factor of overall travel. Travel is both up and down. And aftermarket springs like rc 2.5" progressive's are longer then your stock springs and spacers combined!
01-01-2013 12:34 PM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by rda616

My point was you can gain more travel with different springs when combined with the right shocks and shock mount mods. You said there would be no gain by moving to springs over spacers and that isn't correct give the right setup. There is also a factor of spring rates and those of us who do like lcog will lose much of the gained hight with stock springs and spacers when adding heavy bumper, winch, armor, etc. So you see there are many reason a spring can be a better route.
How is it not correct? Like i've said before my limiter is my fenders. It is not the springs or the shocks. If you threw in a coil thats exactly my height you would not see any gains in travel. The fender is the limiter.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to convince me a spring is better. Of course a longer spring with outboarded 12" shocks and hilines is a better route. I think you missed the point of the thread being that this is a cheap and easy solution to gain a bit of height. Spacers are cheaper and easier.

With a Jeep with stock suspension (yes this includes stock shock mounts) and fenders spacers yield the same results as longer springs. End of story.
01-01-2013 12:25 PM
Kevin063
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Originally Posted by Patrick H View Post
My limited experience- my 2" BDS springs ride much better than my stock (95K miles) springs. I did have a BB for a while, but on stock springs, it doesn't change the ride...
When you had the BB, did you run stock shocks or did you upgrade?
01-01-2013 12:07 PM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post

Yea like I'm going to go outside and measure all of this for you lol. I did this little lift 2 years ago so I really don't remember or care since its temporary. I didn't buy it as a kit so I ordered the right length shocks for my setup. All i can tell you is that it works.

Well of course I would gain more travel by putting longer springs/shocks. My rig sits at a perfect height for the tire size so I see no reason to do that. Bottom line is, putting in 2" springs or 2" spacers will yield the same amount of travel with stock fenders/suspension. If you throw 2" coils in my rig now there will be absolutely no difference.

Besides, why am I going to go buy new 2.5" springs and longer shocks when im getting my 4" springs soon? The whole "lcg" thing doesent work in this part of the country. There isn't really a need to overthink this, they are called budget boosts for a reason.
My point was you can gain more travel with different springs when combined with the right shocks and shock mount mods. You said there would be no gain by moving to springs over spacers and that isn't correct give the right setup. There is also a factor of spring rates and those of us who do like lcog will lose much of the gained hight with stock springs and spacers when adding heavy bumper, winch, armor, etc. So you see there are many reason a spring can be a better route.
01-01-2013 11:50 AM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by rda616

My point was the cheap shocks that come with those kits are 8" travel and are the limiting factor. How much travel do your bilsteins have? What are your extended and collapsed lengths? How much bump stop extension do you have now? How much more down travel could you gain with long travel shocks and longer springs?
Yea like I'm going to go outside and measure all of this for you lol. I did this little lift 2 years ago so I really don't remember or care since its temporary. I didn't buy it as a kit so I ordered the right length shocks for my setup. All i can tell you is that it works.

Well of course I would gain more travel by putting longer springs/shocks. My rig sits at a perfect height for the tire size so I see no reason to do that. Bottom line is, putting in 2" springs or 2" spacers will yield the same amount of travel with stock fenders/suspension. If you throw 2" coils in my rig now there will be absolutely no difference.

Besides, why am I going to go buy new 2.5" springs and longer shocks when im getting my 4" springs soon? The whole "lcg" thing doesent work in this part of the country. There isn't really a need to overthink this, they are called budget boosts for a reason.
01-01-2013 11:24 AM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post

That doesent matter. As of now my limiting factor is my fenders and that wont change for me unless i hiline. My springs dont unseat now so there is no point.

How can the quality of shock be related to travel? That has to do with length not the actual quality. I run Bilstein 5100s and it rides pretty nice considering the amount put into it.
My point was the cheap shocks that come with those kits are 8" travel and are the limiting factor, or limiting strap. How much travel do your bilsteins have? What are your extended and collapsed lengths? How much bump stop extension do you have now? How much more down travel could you gain with long travel shocks and longer springs!
01-01-2013 10:57 AM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by rda616

Did you know rc progressive rate 2.5" springs are as long as their 4" springs! With long travel shocks and shock bracket mods you could absolutely get more travel without unseating your springs. Right now your shocks are your limiting factor in travel. This is especially true if you used the cheap shocks that come with those bb kits.
That doesent matter. As of now my limiting factor is my fenders and that wont change for me unless i hiline. My springs dont unseat now so there is no point.

How can the quality of shock be related to travel? That has to do with length not the actual quality. I run Bilstein 5100s and it rides pretty nice considering the amount put into it.
01-01-2013 10:12 AM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post

I have spacers and run my rig pretty hard considering the tire size. Say what you want but for the price and ease of install they cannot be beat. I wouldn't get any more travel if I switched to longer springs instead.

Now of course when I go to 4" I will ditch the spacers. But for 2" spacers with good shocks work fine.
Did you know rc progressive rate 2.5" springs are as long as their 4" springs! With long travel shocks and shock bracket mods you could absolutely get more travel without unseating your springs. Right now your shocks are your limiting factor in travel. This is especially true if you used the cheap shocks that come with those bb kits.
01-01-2013 09:52 AM
TJNewbie
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Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post
I have spacers and run my rig pretty hard considering the tire size. Say what you want but for the price and ease of install they cannot be beat. I wouldn't get any more travel if I switched to longer springs instead.

Now of course when I go to 4" I will ditch the spacers. But for 2" spacers with good shocks work fine.
X2, I run spacers too- 2.25" Skyjacker BBL comes with the Skyjacker Hydro shocks that are long enough for a 3" lift. I also swapped out the front stock spring isolators with .75" Prothane Isolators. The ride is very good- better than stock was. and it allowed me to fit my Duratrac 33x12.50x15 tires under there. (with new wheels having 3.65" backspacing). During the installation, I measured the springs- unloaded. then later did some research and found that the springs had sagged (b4 I bought the jeep). But the BBL has been a good stepping stone. I will replace the springs when cash allows, and not have to buy shocks too.
01-01-2013 01:58 AM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by WaterDR View Post
Spacers are just silly. It's amazing how many bad lifts are out there in Jeeps. So much harder to sell a Jeep that way too.
I have spacers and run my rig pretty hard considering the tire size. Say what you want but for the price and ease of install they cannot be beat. I wouldn't get any more travel if I switched to longer springs instead.

Now of course when I go to 4" I will ditch the spacers. But for 2" spacers with good shocks work fine.
01-01-2013 01:04 AM
TJNewbie
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Originally Posted by WaterDR View Post
Spacers are just silly. It's amazing how many bad lifts are out there in Jeeps. So much harder to sell a Jeep that way too.
Why would you buy a jeep just to turn around and sell it?
12-31-2012 09:52 PM
Kevin063 How can I tell if my springs are sagging? I mean, my Jeep is 15 years old so I'm assuming they probably are, but how can I tell?
12-31-2012 12:52 PM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Wattapunk View Post

If you are looking for improved ride, you may want to research and reconsider another co. like BDS ,OME or Zone. RC are not known for their ride quality.
Rc shocks are know for a poor ride quality. It has nothing to do with their progressive rate springs.
12-31-2012 12:31 PM
Wattapunk
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Originally Posted by Kevin063 View Post
The springs are Rough Country 2". Comes with shocks. $150, barely used from the sound of it
If you are looking for improved ride, you may want to research and reconsider another co. like BDS ,OME or Zone. RC are not known for their ride quality.
12-31-2012 12:01 PM
Rooster21
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Originally Posted by Patrick H View Post
My limited experience- my 2" BDS springs ride much better than my stock (95K miles) springs.
Glad to hear that, I just ordered the 2 inch BDS for my 03 (86,500 miles)and hope to have it on by next weekend...
Heard nothing but good things.
12-31-2012 11:58 AM
rda616 I agree that old man emu are some of the best springs money can buy. I however would not discount rough country 2.5" progressive rate springs. I wouldn't buy any other products from them except their body lifts.

I run 3" savvy progressive rate springs and like them very much. I do however wish they were offered in different spring rates like ome. Other quality springs I would use are bds.
12-31-2012 11:46 AM
rripror
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Originally Posted by Kevin063 View Post
How hard was it to install?
...well we haven't done the kids rig yet so i don't know how difficult the tj will be ( i'm sure it won't be a problem ) but it took me about 4 hours to install everything but i took my time and just enjoyed the sunny day with 'outlaw country' blasting from the garage stereo.

...floor jack, jack stands and the right tools...no worries mate.
12-31-2012 11:45 AM
TJDave Another vote to skip the budget boost and get a good spring lift.

You have to remove the springs to install spacers anyway, so it just makes more sense to put new spring in vs. spacers on top of old springs.
12-31-2012 11:38 AM
97flexy
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Originally Posted by Kevin063 View Post
The springs are Rough Country 2". Comes with shocks. $150, barely used from the sound of it
I'd stay away from Rough Country and the cheaper lift companies, spend the money and buy a Old man Emu lift. Don't waste the money on a used, cheap lift. You will tank your self later on and off the road. my friend bought his jeep on 33s with cheap coils springs and crappy cheap shocks. He bought new shocks for it within the first 6 months, and now all his springs are very saggy, 4 yrs later. now he is looking at the nicer companies.
12-31-2012 11:26 AM
Kevin063
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Originally Posted by rripror View Post
...my son just picked up a 2000 tj 2.5l and for his birthday i picked him up ' bilstein heavy-duty' shocks and went with 'H & R 1" coil springs. i put the same shocks and 'mopar' 19/60 springs on my 2010 jk 2-dr and i got almost 2" of lift and an absolutely superior ride compared to stock.
no adjustments to drive line and no additional parts. really happy with the set up and i think my son will be just as happy.
How hard was it to install?
12-31-2012 11:24 AM
rripror ...my son just picked up a 2000 tj 2.5l and for his birthday i picked him up ' bilstein heavy-duty' shocks and went with 'H & R 1" coil springs. i put the same shocks and 'mopar' 19/60 springs on my 2010 jk 2-dr and i got almost 2" of lift and an absolutely superior ride compared to stock.
no adjustments to drive line and no additional parts. really happy with the set up and i think my son will be just as happy.
12-31-2012 10:53 AM
Kevin063 Also, how hard is it to install? Is it anymore difficult than a BB?
12-31-2012 10:52 AM
WaterDR Makes you wonder why someone took them off.
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