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01-12-2013 01:54 PM
punchesdfw I actually purchased a membership with Texas Law Shield. If I ever have to use my firearm to defend myself, my Family or my property, I am automatically represented by their team of attorneys against civil and criminal prosecution.

The police officer that taught my CHL class said if you are ever involved in a shooting "Don't tell the police anything.., I am not your friend.., I am here to collect evidence for the prosecution." Pretty scary stuff.
01-12-2013 08:00 AM
Muddr1 I have had my permit to carry for years, I have just recently started to carry again. I hope and pray I never have to pull it, or for that matter use it on another human being. BUt I am fully prepared to do what I have to do to defend my person, and my family, and my property.

To those people who have had to pull, and / or use there weapon, Its a tough thing to have to do. and you really do not get to think about it.

That woman in georgia did a commendable job protecting her family, and god willing, her and her kids will get through what they have just gone through.
01-12-2013 12:50 AM
Tater Todd
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Originally Posted by Carlsbad0331 View Post

Many, many years and 2 marriages ago I lived in Irvine, CA. I was on active duty in the USMC at the time and had just begun to start my weapons collecting.
My wife and I came home one night and found the door unlocked (but closed). I went in, did a truly shitty job of clearing the 2 story condo while my wife waited outside and we agreed that we must have forgot to lock the door.
My wife went upstairs toward the bedroom and I stayed down in the lower level (kitchen, dining room, guest bathroom and living room). After about 20 minutes I went up also.
As soon as I got to the top of the stairs I heard the door to the guest bathroom open, saw someone bolt for the front door and head out. He had hidden in the shower.
My wife called 911, I removed my Kimber 1911 with two extended magazines from the night stand safe and we waited all of 3 minutes for the first Irvine PD officer to arrive. Within 10 minutes the entire neighborhood was surrounded and the airship was overhead. Took Irvine PD less than 30 minutes to locate the person walking down Jeffrey Road carrying a pillowcase with a laptop computer and my wifes silver flatware set.
I had informed the first responder that I was armed, we took the necessary measures to make him feel safe and we discussed "defending your home".
He made it very clear to "shoot to kill, and dont stop until the intruder is not breathing" and if he should fall out the door or window, bring him back inside..."
Words to live by as far as Im concerned! My only regret was that I did not clear the house better. I SHOULD have found him, had my wife bring my pistol and shot him until I was out of ammo.
I'm sorry for your experience.
01-11-2013 10:36 PM
DeepSouthJeeper
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Originally Posted by punchesdfw
Here in Texas, criminals don't even have to be in your house for you to to introduce.., say... 30-rounds of .223 from your AR-15; That is, if you had such a weapon.
God bless Texas..
01-11-2013 10:27 PM
punchesdfw Here in Texas, criminals don't even have to be in your house for you to to introduce.., say... 30-rounds of .223 from your AR-15; That is, if you had such a weapon.
01-11-2013 10:14 PM
ed98208 Carlsbad, that is a really scary story! It's a good thing he was just waiting to get away and not "lying in wait". But if it was just your wife that came home, who knows what he might have done? There are plenty of stories about predators who break in when no one's home and then wait for hours to attack. I'd like to think that one or both of my not-very-bright dogs would alert me to an intruder hiding in a closet or shower, but who knows.
01-11-2013 08:16 PM
Carlsbad0331
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Originally Posted by Muddr1 View Post
I agree, I bet he will think twice before going after another family again.
and on another note, theres a huge issue with this country when a criminal can sue a homeowner protecting there property and lives, and wins.

Thats why if someone breaks into my home, they will not leave alive.
Many, many years and 2 marriages ago I lived in Irvine, CA. I was on active duty in the USMC at the time and had just begun to start my weapons collecting.
My wife and I came home one night and found the door unlocked (but closed). I went in, did a truly shitty job of clearing the 2 story condo while my wife waited outside and we agreed that we must have forgot to lock the door.
My wife went upstairs toward the bedroom and I stayed down in the lower level (kitchen, dining room, guest bathroom and living room). After about 20 minutes I went up also.
As soon as I got to the top of the stairs I heard the door to the guest bathroom open, saw someone bolt for the front door and head out. He had hidden in the shower.
My wife called 911, I removed my Kimber 1911 with two extended magazines from the night stand safe and we waited all of 3 minutes for the first Irvine PD officer to arrive. Within 10 minutes the entire neighborhood was surrounded and the airship was overhead. Took Irvine PD less than 30 minutes to locate the person walking down Jeffrey Road carrying a pillowcase with a laptop computer and my wifes silver flatware set.
I had informed the first responder that I was armed, we took the necessary measures to make him feel safe and we discussed "defending your home".
He made it very clear to "shoot to kill, and dont stop until the intruder is not breathing" and if he should fall out the door or window, bring him back inside..."
Words to live by as far as Im concerned! My only regret was that I did not clear the house better. I SHOULD have found him, had my wife bring my pistol and shot him until I was out of ammo.
01-11-2013 05:52 PM
Muddr1
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Originally Posted by Carlsbad0331 View Post
Given the circumstances, I think the woman did very well. I would have like to heard that the burglar was killed, but at least she saved her family.
This woman had minimal training, a revolver, kids with her and was hiding in an attic crawlspace. The fact that she landed 5 shots is impressive to me.
I hope that her husband buys her a Glock for their anniversary this year (and maybe an AR-15 if they are still available.
I agree, I bet he will think twice before going after another family again.
and on another note, theres a huge issue with this country when a criminal can sue a homeowner protecting there property and lives, and wins.

Thats why if someone breaks into my home, they will not leave alive.
01-11-2013 04:02 PM
Carlsbad0331 Given the circumstances, I think the woman did very well. I would have like to heard that the burglar was killed, but at least she saved her family.
This woman had minimal training, a revolver, kids with her and was hiding in an attic crawlspace. The fact that she landed 5 shots is impressive to me.
I hope that her husband buys her a Glock for their anniversary this year (and maybe an AR-15 if they are still available.
01-11-2013 12:37 PM
R4D4R I know exactly what youre saying and do agree that a .45 has more stopping power than anything 9 or .3x caliber. Ive seen plenty of tests with multiple caliber rounds shot into ballistics gel and the 45 will do a much better job of one shot one kill.
My point (and a few others) is it will not knock the target backwards. Its not like getting hit with a 400lb dumbell. If it were to knock the target backwards it would also exert equal force in the opposite direction, thereby knocking the gun/shooter back a distance. I know recoil is compensated by either the slide of a semi automatic or just sheer weight of a revolver, but you wont see a guy getting thrown through a window like old timey westerns. Even if a bullet had the force to do so, it would simply penetrate the soft, mushy target of said perp and pass out the other side.
01-11-2013 12:26 PM
sevenservices I love you guys

ok science guys, my reasoning behind favoring the stopping power of a .45 is based on this simple comparison of foot pounds of force caused by the impact of the bullet.

The .45 has much more compared to smaller calibers because of the shear mass and weight of the bullet. If the bullet weighs twice that of a smaller caliber, the hitting force is doubled. I know the amount of powder and speed play important factors but assuming you have the same amount of projectile force behind them, the heavier bullet is going to push the target back with a lot more force.

Comparing the standard Federal rounds, not +P I was reading that a .38 Special is hitting at about 175 lbs., in contrast the standard federal .45 was hitting with 405 lbs.

There are tons of factors as you know... I guess the best point I should make here that Im sure everyone will agree with is that you should choose a gun that 1. you are comfortable using and 2. that you can efficiently hit your target with. Caliber is not going to matter much if you either cannot operate it correctly and put your bullets in a nice tight group regularly to build mussle memory.
01-11-2013 11:41 AM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by Diverdown87
There was a story 10 or 15 years ago where a homeowner was sued AND LOST by a career criminal who was shot while robbing the home.

The attorney argued that the robbers "job" and only means of support was stealing and that his livelyhood was taken from him when he was shot.

Result was the judge ordered the homeowner to pay for the skells medical bills which were in excess of $100,000 plus, plus, "lost wages" totalling another $100K.

Needless to say in that same situation there would be no criminal to sue me...Deadmen tell no tales.

I wil try to find that news story and post it here.
It's better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
01-11-2013 11:39 AM
Diverdown87 There was a story 10 or 15 years ago where a homeowner was sued AND LOST by a career criminal who was shot while robbing the home.

The attorney argued that the robbers "job" and only means of support was stealing and that his livelyhood was taken from him when he was shot.

Result was the judge ordered the homeowner to pay for the skells medical bills which were in excess of $100,000 plus, plus, "lost wages" totalling another $100K.

Needless to say in that same situation there would be no criminal to sue me...Deadmen tell no tales.

I wil try to find that news story and post it here.
01-11-2013 10:59 AM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by whiteyj

It's best use would be as a club!
Amen! They're heavy enough to make a somewhat decent club too!
01-11-2013 10:53 AM
Lincoln33
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Originally Posted by JKDozer View Post
Good for her. To bad about the children having to go through something like that.



Not quite, he's still breathing.

But not without help from a machine...
01-11-2013 08:43 AM
JamiesJeep
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Originally Posted by whiteyj View Post

It's best use would be as a club!
01-11-2013 08:42 AM
whiteyj
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
We used to joke about having to use the M9. If it comes to that, things have gone HORRIBLY wrong!!! Hahaha...
It's best use would be as a club!
01-11-2013 08:42 AM
R4D4R
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Originally Posted by sevenservices View Post
A 9mm bullet will do a lot of damage but a .45's hitting power will knock them clear across the room with over 900 foot pounds of force per square inch.
Newton's third law of motion says otherwise
01-11-2013 08:30 AM
Raiderfan001
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Originally Posted by sevenservices View Post
A 9mm bullet will do a lot of damage but a .45's hitting power will knock them clear across the room with over 900 foot pounds of force per square inch..
I think you've watched Last Man Standing one too many times.
01-11-2013 08:25 AM
krisbman
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Originally Posted by sevenservices

practice makes perfect. she did good, but 1 bullet between the eyes does a lot more than 5 to the neck and face regardless of the caliber. Aside from that, a .45, they were designed to take down horses during war times and would have made his head a canoe. The hitting force when you jump to a .45 is almost three times the hitting force of a 9mm. A 9mm bullet will do a lot of damage but a .45's hitting power will knock them clear across the room with over 900 foot pounds of force per square inch. You're on the right track w/your bullets though. The hollow points really help increase the hitting force by almost tripple that of a standard lead bullet. Your copper jackets do just the opposite. They help penetration and speed, not blunt force. Unless its hollow pointed. Then you get the best of both worlds, the spread of the copper increases the contact area while the hot lead behind it pushes through like a jack hammer.

one tip if you ever use a 12g shotgun for home protection is to load 'em up based on distance. First shot coming out, use birdshot. Like a 6 or an 8 squirrel load. Peppers the hell out of your target and gives a big spread. Rack that bitch and next comes the first of two double odd buckshot. If you have to use your pepper then 2 buckshot the last two coming into the brrl are 3" magnum lead slugs w/the power to go into an engine block at 60 yards.
I have two 3" slugs in the back just for that reason. I forgot to mention that
01-11-2013 07:49 AM
sevenservices
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Originally Posted by ed98208 View Post
I find it a damn scary that she could shoot him 5 times in the face and neck with a .38 and he still had the ability to get in his car and drive away. If it ever comes to a point that I have to shoot an intruder (which is not completely unlikely in my location) I really need for the perp to go down and stay down. I mean, if this guy had the wherewithal to go downstairs, out to his car, drive away - what would he have done if he'd had a gun and went there with the purpose of hurting people? What's the answer to stopping someone? A higher caliber weapon? Better aim? My house protection is a 9mm with hollow tips and I've always assumed that if I hit someone then a chunk of them is coming off and they're going to be immediately neutralized. Now I'm not so sure. :/
practice makes perfect. she did good, but 1 bullet between the eyes does a lot more than 5 to the neck and face regardless of the caliber. Aside from that, a .45, they were designed to take down horses during war times and would have made his head a canoe. The hitting force when you jump to a .45 is almost three times the hitting force of a 9mm. A 9mm bullet will do a lot of damage but a .45's hitting power will knock them clear across the room with over 900 foot pounds of force per square inch. You're on the right track w/your bullets though. The hollow points really help increase the hitting force by almost tripple that of a standard lead bullet. Your copper jackets do just the opposite. They help penetration and speed, not blunt force. Unless its hollow pointed. Then you get the best of both worlds, the spread of the copper increases the contact area while the hot lead behind it pushes through like a jack hammer.

one tip if you ever use a 12g shotgun for home protection is to load 'em up based on distance. First shot coming out, use birdshot. Like a 6 or an 8 squirrel load. Peppers the hell out of your target and gives a big spread. Rack that bitch and next comes the first of two double odd buckshot. If you have to use your pepper then 2 buckshot the last two coming into the brrl are 3" magnum lead slugs w/the power to go into an engine block at 60 yards.
01-11-2013 07:42 AM
JamiesJeep Piss-poor shot obviously but good for her!
01-11-2013 07:34 AM
sevenservices Good story, thanks for sharing.
01-11-2013 07:11 AM
WXman They had a JK in the garage and a gun in the safe. God bless the USA.

Tell congress to back the **** off.
01-10-2013 11:32 PM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by Raiderfan001
You can thank Hollywood for that. Most handgun calibers are poor "man stoppers". A handguns purpose is to help you get to your rifle.
I agree. My primary service weapon was (depending on mission parameters) either the M82a1 Barrett .50 or the M24 .308 (7.62x51NATO). My BACKUP weapon was an M4/M203, and the BACKUP TO MY BACKUP weapon was my M9. We used to joke about having to use the M9. If it comes to that, things have gone HORRIBLY wrong!!! Hahaha...
01-10-2013 11:08 PM
Raiderfan001
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Originally Posted by ed98208 View Post
I find it a damn scary that she could shoot him 5 times in the face and neck with a .38 and he still had the ability to get in his car and drive away. If it ever comes to a point that I have to shoot an intruder (which is not completely unlikely in my location) I really need for the perp to go down and stay down. I mean, if this guy had the wherewithal to go downstairs, out to his car, drive away - what would he have done if he'd had a gun and went there with the purpose of hurting people? What's the answer to stopping someone? A higher caliber weapon? Better aim? My house protection is a 9mm with hollow tips and I've always assumed that if I hit someone then a chunk of them is coming off and they're going to be immediately neutralized. Now I'm not so sure. :/
You can thank Hollywood for that. Most handgun calibers are poor "man stoppers". A handguns purpose is to help you get to your rifle.
01-10-2013 09:01 PM
krisbman
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Originally Posted by dirtybiketrash

Wonder if he was so tweaked on Meth cocktails that he didn't notice...
This is the exact reason the .45 was developed. In my opinion the best home defense bar none is a 12 gauge pump smooth bore with the plug removed loaded with high base magnum turkey rounds. Not as big as 00 buck but much faster and more pellets. Just my .02 worth
01-10-2013 08:53 PM
dirtybiketrash
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Originally Posted by Harleyrider1108 View Post
I don't think its in the story but on the call the husband says "she shot him....... a lot"
Wonder if he was so tweaked on Meth cocktails that he didn't notice...
01-10-2013 06:19 PM
Tater Todd I don't think its in the story but on the call the husband says "she shot him....... a lot"
01-10-2013 06:11 PM
ed98208 I find it a damn scary that she could shoot him 5 times in the face and neck with a .38 and he still had the ability to get in his car and drive away. If it ever comes to a point that I have to shoot an intruder (which is not completely unlikely in my location) I really need for the perp to go down and stay down. I mean, if this guy had the wherewithal to go downstairs, out to his car, drive away - what would he have done if he'd had a gun and went there with the purpose of hurting people? What's the answer to stopping someone? A higher caliber weapon? Better aim? My house protection is a 9mm with hollow tips and I've always assumed that if I hit someone then a chunk of them is coming off and they're going to be immediately neutralized. Now I'm not so sure. :/
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