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12-06-2013 09:38 PM
MOABLTY The VW's stick is spot on. The wrangler is nice but I scratched the hell out of 6th gear a number of times.
And as someone pointed before I have the click on third gear. It's as if something's crunching a syncro and such... So weird, I never got that before until the gear box was ruined. And it's doing it on a brand new car.
Don't even get me started on the USELESSNESS of the wrangler gear ratio. It's like a bunch of monkeys got together to design it. And don't even try to back up a manual on a steep grade without 4WD on. Did that and the clutch stank like hell.

Enough of my rant.. Jeep on !
12-06-2013 06:28 PM
mark355
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
...and quickly wear out your clutch.
+1 ^
12-06-2013 06:02 PM
Wingit
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Originally Posted by Gonzos Wrangler View Post
"1 - hill assist sucks ass! OFF! If you know how to drive a stick than you know let clutch out to friction point and you can sit there all day on a decent incline."

I strongly recommend that no one does this, unless you want to replace the clutch really soon.
Get Started on a Hill when Driving a Manual Transmission Car - wikiHow

After 25 years and zero clutch replacements I can see how taking my advice is CRAZY! So maybe I should rethink. Let's see. My way at idle let the clutch to the friction point. Take right foot from brake and give a little gas while releasing the clutch the rest of the way OR while the hill start assist is still holding brake pressure you increase RMP while releasing the clutch until what seems like an eternity that the computer lets the brake go. Nope still don't get why letting the clutch out at 800 RPM is worse than letting it out at 2000+ RPM!
12-06-2013 09:47 AM
BiggsintheAZ X2
12-06-2013 09:19 AM
Gonzos Wrangler "1 - hill assist sucks ass! OFF! If you know how to drive a stick than you know let clutch out to friction point and you can sit there all day on a decent incline."

I strongly recommend that no one does this, unless you want to replace the clutch really soon.
12-06-2013 08:18 AM
Wingit
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
...and quickly wear out your clutch.
I have been driving for 25 years. My first clutch was at 15 yrs old with a KX 80 (motorcycle). To date I have never had to replace a clutch. Although I said you could sit there all day I don't think anyone is going to try (leg will prob cramp LOL). But when the lights are about to turn and your sitting on the clutch long enough to take your foot from the brake to the gas there is no way you are going to wear out your clutch. Jeez how do you think we did it before the great (or in my opinion POS) hill assist existed.
12-05-2013 11:17 AM
ramp4ge
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Originally Posted by TexMedic View Post
Most of my vehicles have been manual and I find that in the Wrangler reverse is in the wrong spot. Why they put it right next to 6th with no gate or way to keep from hitting it when shifting from 5th to 6th is beyond me. I believe this is the first 6 speed that I've driven that didn't have a knob to pull up or require the shift knob to be pressed down in order to shift in to reverse. Shifting from 5th to 6th simply doesn't feel right in the Wrangler. At least to me.
My 2010 has a gate. You have to have it in a very specific spot to get it into reverse and even then, when you find that spot, you have to push it over pretty hard. It feels like it "pops" into reverse. I've never once felt like I might put it into reverse when shifting to 6th.

I also notice that from 5th to 6th you have to pull down and slightly to the right, it's not just a straight downward pull from 5th.

The first day I owned it I had issues finding 5th and 6th because I was used to a traditional silky-smooth Honda 5-speed. But I've really come to like this trans. It makes driving the 300 yards to work an adventure.
12-04-2013 12:09 PM
swanson
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Originally Posted by TOK View Post
JP isn't a trade magazine and Chrysler has no say in what it publishes. If they did, the mag would be worthless.
Ah yes, I used that term incorrectly. Learn something new every day. I cut myself short, though, I'm only capable of short bursts of thought. What I meant was, in these days of lawyers everywhere and media/vendor quid pro quo, I'm surprised anything negative gets written without at least some implied approval from the manufacturer. The cynic in me comes out when known issues get ignored for so long. I like manual transmissions in part because they're cheap(er) to repair, and don't break down all at once in the first place. If I had unlimited income, I'd be happy, to fix my Jeep as problems arose. In fact, I'd be happier about just about everything and life in general. But, I'm po folk, and these transmissions sound like an exercise in planned obsolescence. It's enheartening to see so many positive responses in this thread, though. The NV3550 got a fair amount of criticism too, and mine never had any issues.
12-04-2013 11:46 AM
Jamie lee
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Originally Posted by TexMedic View Post
Most of my vehicles have been manual and I find that in the Wrangler reverse is in the wrong spot. Why they put it right next to 6th with no gate or way to keep from hitting it when shifting from 5th to 6th is beyond me. I believe this is the first 6 speed that I've driven that didn't have a knob to pull up or require the shift knob to be pressed down in order to shift in to reverse. Shifting from 5th to 6th simply doesn't feel right in the Wrangler. At least to me.
I have a 2014 jkur x and I pat myself on the back every time I get it into 6th gear.
12-04-2013 06:00 AM
TOK
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Originally Posted by swanson View Post
Maybe Chrysler greenlit it as their way to spur more Jeep sales when they introduce a new transmission. I thought they were ridding themselves of their Mercedes sourced stuff anyway.
JP isn't a trade magazine and Chrysler has no say in what it publishes. If they did, the mag would be worthless.
12-04-2013 01:15 AM
ramp4ge I like my NSG370. It's kind of clunky and makes the Jeep feel like a piece of industrial farm equipment, but I like that. Oddly enough it makes me feel connected. Kind of makes up for feeling completely unconnected to the throttle..
12-03-2013 09:41 PM
swanson I don't think history will remember the NSG370 kindly. It was welcomed with unquestioning acceptance for years, but finally there are articles like this - Manual Meltdowns - Jeep Transmissions We Love To Hate - Jp Magazine that call it out for its unreliability. For a trade rag to call out a transmission in a *current production vehicle* like that is practically never seen these days. Maybe Chrysler greenlit it as their way to spur more Jeep sales when they introduce a new transmission. I thought they were ridding themselves of their Mercedes sourced stuff anyway. Does anyone know if you can get an AX-15 or Terminator installed on a JK? I find it depressing that, like the axles, if you want a reliable new Jeep you must deal out additional $$$$ because of the transmission.
12-03-2013 09:18 PM
2013 gecko
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Originally Posted by kaishodo View Post
I also have a 2013 gecko green jeep wrangler sport. 6 speed manual and the dealer told me I can't turn off the hsa only the auto can is he wrong. How did u turn yours off
Here you go, just scroll down the thread and you will find it.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/ma...le-155357.html
12-03-2013 06:50 PM
ramp4ge Mine's a 2010 and I'd also like to know how to turn the HSA off. I'm also seriously thinking about getting something to improve throttle response. The latency kills me.
12-03-2013 06:03 PM
kaishodo
I have the same jeep as u

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Originally Posted by 2013 gecko View Post
Been driving manuals for over 30 years, turn that stupid hill assist off and these things are one of the easiest manuals to drive IMO.
I also have a 2013 gecko green jeep wrangler sport. 6 speed manual and the dealer told me I can't turn off the hsa only the auto can is he wrong. How did u turn yours off
12-03-2013 02:06 PM
skihoser I must presume that an auto will down shift automatically on the same hill someone is trying to go up in 6th with a 6-spd. Please remember, 5th is direct drive, that is 1.00 ratio, and 6th is overdrive, almost .80. 1-4 are all under-drive gear ratios, so let your Jeep breath and never hesitate to shift it into 5th going up a long hill. It will love you for it LOL. By the way, when I merge on an interstate, I shift into 6th at 65. Still under 3k RPM Remember, this engine produces more torque at 1900 RPM then the 3.8 at any RPM. And, as far as shifting, I have had little problems. Many have said all the right words about getting used to our tranny and thats it. Its a Jeep. I love mine and oh yea, I'll be 72 next month.
12-03-2013 12:19 PM
ramp4ge
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Originally Posted by Jeeps_and_Boats View Post
Is it just me, or am I getting uncoordinated by age that after a lifetime of manuals this jku is tricky. What gives?
The electronic throttle beat me up for a while and still surprises me on occasion.
12-03-2013 12:04 PM
baddandy I hate this tranny, Definately not my TJs NV3550 anymore. Of course I won't go auto though. I can't shift it naturally, I have to think every shift. I've hit reverse going into 6th more times than I can count. Ditto not totally getting it into gear when shifting into reverse. Aaannnnd, I just can't seem to match rpm with clutch release to prevent a thunk 1-2, 4-5, and 5-6. At least I'm good enough to modulate the clutch to never stall it on takeoff! BTW, I removed one throttle spring after I bought it and that helped tremendously. Whenever I do make it from point A to B cleanly, I feel like I conquered something.
12-03-2013 10:23 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Wingit View Post

1 - hill assist sucks ass! OFF! If you know how to drive a stick than you know let clutch out to friction point and you can sit there all day on a decent incline.
...and quickly wear out your clutch.
12-03-2013 09:42 AM
Gonzos Wrangler Been driving mine for a few months now and no problems so far. 5th to 6th can be scary in the beginning, but eventually you get the hang of it. I have not put it in reverse going from 5th to 6th yet. I guess the trick is to put some pressure to the right, but not too much.
12-03-2013 05:27 AM
pathguy
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Originally Posted by MattK View Post
Yes! It should be to the left of 1st and 2nd. I found out the hard way there's no lockout for reverse when I was trying to go from 5th to 6th and it went to reverse...hahaha. SCRATCH!
I've had 3 Wranglers in the past, and a number of other vehicles, all of which have been manual. Matt, I did this same thing the first night I had the new Jeep--TWICE (and I about soiled myself)! My partner was driving behind me with the BMW to turn it into the dealer, and he commented on how he enjoyed seeing and HEARING me try to shift into reverse (apparently, the backup lights also came on for a brief moment).

All is better now, I think. After a couple of weeks, I seem to be used to everything.
12-02-2013 08:32 PM
c_caz Alright got to drive the Jeep home in the snow today. That's one of the big reasons I bought a manual. Complete control when in the slick stuff.

Although the ESP is a bit much... c'mon I wanna kick the back end out!
12-02-2013 08:17 PM
2013 gecko Been driving manuals for over 30 years, turn that stupid hill assist off and these things are one of the easiest manuals to drive IMO.
12-02-2013 08:07 PM
kaishodo
don't get the wrong idea here

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Originally Posted by Plasticpirogue View Post
Im sorry you are so conflicted. You say you love the Jeep, but then go on to say it's your second JK and that it seems to you that there are a lot of problems with Jeeps.

I have ZERO problems with reverse in my auto and the 5 speed pulls hills very well in cruise. I am assuming that your Jeep that you had problems with Death Wobble was lifted as your current Jeep. Death Wobble is an problem associated with solid axles and is made worse by screwing with the original design parameters (ie...lifting it). Get rid of the solid axles and Death Wobble is no longer an issue...but who wants an IFS Wrangler? DW is also common with poorly designed or installed lifts or worn parts. Can't really blame Jeep for something caused by parts that they didn't install.
my jeep is a 2013 with a manual 6 speed. your jeep is older with a auto 5 speed. I'm just pointing out the issue I have with my jeeps. My 2006 was all stock with a 6 speed manual so the dealth wobble was unexplained.. Don't get me wrong my 2013 jeep wrangler sport is awesome I was just pointing out things that I don't understand what the jeep makers were thinking. like if they test drove a new 2013 6 speed manual in reverse they couldn't say holy crap this thing goes to fast in reverse I have to ride the clutch to make up a few feet lol.
12-02-2013 05:45 PM
Wingit I would have to say I am not a fan of the manual. I actually prefer my 99 TJ to my 13 JK. But this is what I think....

1 - hill assist sucks ass! OFF! If you know how to drive a stick than you know let clutch out to friction point and you can sit there all day on a decent incline.

2 - light pressure to passenger side and smooth as butter to 3rd

3 - larger tires make 1st feel better otherwise starting in second is the same.
12-02-2013 04:55 PM
Vt rider I had a shifting problem for about a week after getting my Jeep. I figured that I'd get used to it. Easy on the throttle, and easy on the clutch and not shifting at high RPM makes a difference. For me, what made the most difference is how far back my seat was. If it was too far forward, it was easy depressing the clutch (for starting), but shifting tended to be too abrupt. I moved my seat further back so that my leg is FULLY EXTENDED when starting up the vehicle so that the clutch switch is operated. It also allows for (at least for me) easier shifting because my leg isn't bent so much.....and I think that was what made shifting between gears so awkward or abrupt. So it's a little "stretch" starting the motor, but a lot smoother going thru the gears. Give it a try.
12-02-2013 02:48 PM
c_caz The manual shifter and gas/clutch does have a learning curve in these things. I've driven sticks all my life and finally now that I'm over 1k on my 14 I'm feeling ok.
1. turn off HSA
2. either start off in 2nd or be 2500 + RPM when shifting from 1st to 2nd. Synchro's seem to work better at higher RPMs (and also consider a double clutch when cold)
3. It's really not a "blip" of throttle. Instead it's more like a resistor. Turn it on some then some more as you go. Not like my old Rx7 or eclipse, that's for sure.
4. Shift from 5-6 is not straight back. Instead pull with a slight \ angle. I've yet to hit reverse, but have hit the gate between 4 & 6th. Just takes a trial/error approach.
5. As others have said learn from your mistakes. 1 - 2 is the shift that bothered me from the go... now not really.
12-01-2013 10:22 PM
jmmcw91 I have found for shifting back and forth between 5th and 6th at that 55-65 mph range if you bring it back to center first it goes in smoother..if that makes sense
12-01-2013 10:12 PM
TOK
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Originally Posted by kaishodo View Post
I bought a new 2013 jeep wrangler sport. Love the jeep but reverse sucks. I have to ride the clutch on short back ups because it goes to dam fast and if I apply the brakes it wants to dog out. Why wouldn't they have reverse in low gear like backing up in 4low I'm confused.. It just seems to me there are a lot of problems with jeep wranglers. I traded in my 2006 jeep wrangler x because it had the dealth wobble. I also notived on my new jeep 6th gear is useless going up a small hill on the highway in cruise it slows way down stupid crap. but I still love my gekgo green with 3 inch lift with 33s tires real shape looking.
I also noticed that reverse seems a bit tall. In fact, it feels like it'll go faster in reverse than first. The only place I ever stall is backing into my driveway. Its just steep enough for the hill start assist to occasionally kick on and that combined with the taller reverse gear means I'm either stalling it or giving it too much gas to overcome the braking.

My neighbors always seem to be out when I do this and must think I'm a complete idiot. lol
12-01-2013 08:38 PM
Plasticpirogue
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Originally Posted by kaishodo View Post
I bought a new 2013 jeep wrangler sport. Love the jeep but reverse sucks. I have to ride the clutch on short back ups because it goes to dam fast and if I apply the brakes it wants to dog out. Why wouldn't they have reverse in low gear like backing up in 4low I'm confused.. It just seems to me there are a lot of problems with jeep wranglers. I traded in my 2006 jeep wrangler x because it had the dealth wobble. I also notived on my new jeep 6th gear is useless going up a small hill on the highway in cruise it slows way down stupid crap. but I still love my gekgo green with 3 inch lift with 33s tires real shape looking.
Im sorry you are so conflicted. You say you love the Jeep, but then go on to say it's your second JK and that it seems to you that there are a lot of problems with Jeeps.

I have ZERO problems with reverse in my auto and the 5 speed pulls hills very well in cruise. I am assuming that your Jeep that you had problems with Death Wobble was lifted as your current Jeep. Death Wobble is an problem associated with solid axles and is made worse by screwing with the original design parameters (ie...lifting it). Get rid of the solid axles and Death Wobble is no longer an issue...but who wants an IFS Wrangler? DW is also common with poorly designed or installed lifts or worn parts. Can't really blame Jeep for something caused by parts that they didn't install.
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