|01-16-2013 11:51 PM|
|tangofox007||For all practical purposes, no promises made on Ebay are going to be easily enforcable once 60 days has passed from the purchase date.|
|01-16-2013 11:33 PM|
FWIW, I bought an aluminum radiator (for a Mustang, but put it in my CJ5) from these guys. It was nothing short of excellent. I talked to them on the phone and they were very helpful. Might call them and ask about their "limited lifetime" warranty.
2 Row Champion Cooling Aluminum Radiator for 1987-2006 Jeep Wrangler items in Reliable Radiator store on eBay!
|01-16-2013 10:26 PM|
Maybe I'm trying to be too picky.
|01-16-2013 06:08 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||It says core on the info for the Amazon one above.|
|01-16-2013 06:06 PM|
I didn't look at the actual thickness. Is that the core, or the tanks? Seems mighty thick.
The old 4-core Chevy big block radiators I used to run weren't that thick, at least not the core. Of course, the tubes weren't that thick. Back then, they weren't using tubes that were that thick, just multiple rows of thinner tubes, which aren't as efficient at heat transfer.
|01-16-2013 06:04 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||And that was the exact cool off the website, the one linked above is 3 inches thick. I don't see there being that much room in there. Fwiw the exact cool is one row of 1.5 inch tubes so I'm sure it cools nicely but I didn't see a price.|
|01-16-2013 06:00 PM|
|Patrick H||Well, yes, it would have to be.|
|01-16-2013 05:57 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||And it's twice as thick.|
|01-16-2013 05:52 PM|
|Patrick H||So, half the cooling surface area of the Griffin. Not that the OEM doesn't cool well enough.|
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|01-16-2013 05:30 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||Couldn't tell ya Skippy but there was a reason Jeep went from a 2 row to a 1 row early in the TJ's history. There is also a reason the big names in desert racing run 1 row rads too.....,|
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|01-16-2013 05:26 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||And it's a 2 row....|
|01-16-2013 05:22 PM|
FYI - The Griffin is $444 via Amazon.
Griffin Radiator 1987-2006 Jeep Wrangler YJ/TJ Radiator : Amazon.com : Automotive
|01-16-2013 04:41 PM|
|DevilDogDoc||Yeah there is nothing I would rather do than spend my free time changing out substandard parts.... Factor in my time, shipping crap back and forth coolant etc I will stick with oem.|
|01-16-2013 04:38 PM|
I had a Champion radiator that started leaking soon after I bought it. champion wanted me to go through the Ebay vendor I bought it from.
All I had to do was send them a few pictures of the leak, and they sent me a replacement.
|01-16-2013 03:06 PM|
My 2001 Wrangler now has 65,000 miles and the original radiator has been seeping around the top tank for at least 2 years so it didn't last more than 9-10 years and 50,000-55,000 miles. I even installed a new 13# radiator cap to lower the pressure on the tank, which helped some without affecting the cooling any but it's still seeping. Thought about trying to re-crimp around the top tank with a small pair of vice grips but the radiator almost has to be removed in order to reach all of them and then it still may leak. I called the local Jeep dealer and was quoted $267 for a replacement with the same crappy plastic tanks but an all aluminum Champion radiator seems to run between $175 and $200 depending on the source.
With only a 12 month warranty on the OEM and maybe a Lifetime warranty on the Champion all aluminum I'm wondering if there should be any contest here.
Appreciate all the time involved getting so much advice from the Forum.
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|01-16-2013 11:40 AM|
I replaced my OEM at 115k. Assuming the average life of an OEM is 100k miles, for the Griffin to be cheaper it has to last 270,000 miles. Your long run cost stance makes no sense. Griffin makes nice radiators, but I don't think you'll ever get one that lasts that long.
Even if you got another OEM and it only lasted 70,000 miles like yours, the Griffin still has last at least 189,000 miles.
Finally, your long term is to almost to long term. Even if you driving 12,000 miles a year, your looking at well over a decade before you MIGHT see a savings in cost, and the savings cost would be minimal at that.
|01-16-2013 10:50 AM|
|DevilDogDoc||And there it is on cue......|
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|01-16-2013 09:22 AM|
|DevilDogDoc||That exclusion of warranty for offroad use would turn me off. Get an oem one and be done. Mopar parts | Dodge parts | Chrysler parts | Jeep parts|
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|01-16-2013 01:02 AM|
|raramirez||I would contact the vendor and or ledfoot and ask them directly|
|01-16-2013 12:22 AM|
Champion Radiator warranty by Ledfoot
Ledfoot Racing shows a Lifetime Warranty on their Champion aluminum radiators for Jeep Wranglers. Several sources on eBay lists Champion radiators for $20-$30 less than Ledfoot but none of them show any kind of warranty other than free shipping on returns in less than 30-60 days. I'd like to have a radiator on hand to install when weather permits but that could be 30-45 days just setting in the garage waiting.
Does anyone know or have any experience along this line to know if the Lifetime Warranty is strictly a Ledfoot Racing thing and is what you're paying the extra for, or if all Champion radiators will have a lifetime warranty? Or does anyone worry about a warranty with Champion radiators?
Is this one of those "You get what you pay for", or rather "You pay for what you get" situations?