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03-22-2013 11:56 PM
MorrisDC1986 hey guys, quick question i never had this issue till i got the jeep and i just wanna see what the issue might be. when i start out from a dead stop 1st is easy to get into. but shifting into 2nd at any thing over 1500-2000 rpm and anything over about 5 mph is near impossible. same with 3rd. any faster than 15 mph and again over 2000 rpm and she just grinds. it really annoing cause i am moving so slow that when i shift into the higer gear it boggs down and feels as though she might die. if this is user error please let me know maybe im not as efficient as i thought.
01-18-2013 09:01 PM
xxximpact05 I've been driving stick for a while now and when I first started driving the jeep it was a little different. It took a lot les clutch to get going. With jeeps you can completely release the clutch without giving it any gas and it will go just fine (all manuals should do this but jeeps are especially good at it) so that's what I did at first and then adjusted the throttle control until I got the start off the line I wanted. Also second was a little touchy so I found that it took a little more clutch time that the other gears a little finesse and you'll find that smooth spot. As far as speed shifting I do it all the time and I have no problems however make sure you kno exactly what your doing b4 you try otherwise you can really hurt your drive train. And I float my gears on occasion but I find I can save mor gas using my clutch because you don't have to rev match. But if you prefer to float gears with a little practice you can do it just as easy as using your clutch. In the end only you can figure out what works best for your driving style but play around with some techniques and find what's comfortable for you
01-18-2013 08:50 PM
Bubbas94yj I've really noticed my yj is hard to shift into second here of late. This is the first winter I've had it. If it don't warm up a while I notice its hard to shift. Usually end up skipping second in the morning. Its been chilly here in Ohio lately.
01-18-2013 08:45 PM
pcwolf "Double clutch" is when you depress clutch pedal while in gear, shift transmission to neutral (between gears) let the clutch out to match speeds then press clutch pedal again to slip it into the next gear.

When I am in the mood, I like to run up through the gears by finding the right speed (by ear mostly) where the transmission lever slips out of gear easily, then listen again for the right speed to slip it into the next higher gear without touching the clutch. This takes a keen ear and seat of the pants feel for which speeds match up to slip it into gear easily. Usually comes out at a fairly high RPM and takes some coasting to a slower speed before it slips into the next higher. The key is not get in a hurry and force it and don't do this when traffic is backed up behind me
01-18-2013 06:41 PM
13Wrangler
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Originally Posted by A1ex View Post
idk how you guys struggle with the 1-2 shifts, i find it super easy, you guys would have had a bad time with my old Mazdaspeed, much more difficult to shift smoothly, every time someone drove it they made it buckle like crazy. But maybe since im used to it that's why i find the jeep so easy
How easy does your Jeep shift from 1st to 2nd when it's not warmed up yet and it's 12 degrees outside? Oh wait a minute, you're in Miami

J
01-18-2013 02:57 PM
NorthwestTJ
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Originally Posted by NikeSwimming
What RPMs do you guys usually shift at?
2,500-3000 when shifting from 1st to 2nd. Have to get momentum since I slow down so much when waiting to shift. Otherwise around 2000
01-18-2013 02:38 PM
NikeSwimming What RPMs do you guys usually shift at?
01-18-2013 02:37 PM
NorthwestTJ
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Originally Posted by Finno
^^ Same thing here. Maybe it's the synchros taking a little time to line up, or the RPM's need to drop a little. It's a pain sometimes but it seems like a lot of fellow NSG370 owners have the same issue.
Yea, when it was in the off road shop last year I asked them about it and they said its normal for that transmission, you just have to be patient
01-18-2013 02:01 PM
Finno ^^ Same thing here. Maybe it's the synchros taking a little time to line up, or the RPM's need to drop a little. It's a pain sometimes but it seems like a lot of fellow NSG370 owners have the same issue.
01-18-2013 12:43 PM
NorthwestTJ
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Originally Posted by TJ Skip
So i am new to the world of Manuel's and my tj is my first standard vehicle and I have got the basics down however I'm curious about all you other more experienced guys out there what your tricks are manipulating the tranny. Like I have driven other standard vehicles and I understand jeeps are geared low but my issue is sometimes I can't be as fluid as I would like with starting in 1st and transitioning to second. I mean I'm not bucking it horible I just notice a little lurch and to be honest it's driving my little anal brain crazy. Also power shifting do you guys do it? Is it bad for the tranny? Or should I not worry about it all together? I look forward to answers
I have a 2.4L with a 6 speed. When I shift from 1st to 2nd it grinds if I do it too fast. Theres a feel to mine and its hard to explain but, usually I go about half into 2nd and then I can feel it like click or open up and I can fully put it in. When its cold usually it takes longer for it to allow me to shift into 2nd with out the grinding. Its almost like theres 2 positions for 2nd gear. This may sound weird, but an example would be as if it were a key card entry door. You scan your card and wait for the the system to register, then the door unlocks and you can open it. Same idea here, I pull the shifter down into 2nd then wait for it to release and I can fully pull the stick into 2nd then release the clutch. This maybe kinda confusing but maybe it makes sense if you have the same issue.
01-18-2013 09:50 AM
A1ex idk how you guys struggle with the 1-2 shifts, i find it super easy, you guys would have had a bad time with my old Mazdaspeed, much more difficult to shift smoothly, every time someone drove it they made it buckle like crazy. But maybe since im used to it that's why i find the jeep so easy
01-17-2013 09:23 PM
13Wrangler
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Originally Posted by Runkmaster View Post
This is a great thread! All my buddies who ride with me and don't have jeeps laugh cause I have all these little tricks on how I tackle shifting depending how cold of a day it is. 2nd can be really tricky on cold days. I have three options. First i push to 3 grand and ill engage 2nd smoothly(not the smoothest ride but it bypasses that sticky feeling grabbing 2nd at lower speeds). Second, get rolling give her a little shake in neutral and ease it softly into 2nd(works about 2/3 of the time). Or third let her warm up for a good ten minutes and she'll be hot and ready for a ride, grabbing gears like a MF. Manuals are the only way to go. Sure it's more work but I'm a driver and automatics just don't do it for me.
Yup, my 06 6spd seems to like a short trip over to neutral to smooth out the 1-2 shift, especially in colder weather or lower speeds.

J
01-17-2013 04:00 PM
JCascione229 This thread just gave me so much peace of mind. I am new to the jeeping world (just bought an 05 6-speed) and just thought the bucking was from me. But as I learned how she behaved it got much easier. R.I. roads are notoriously bad and first gear on a bumpy road would be quite rough.

Good to know I wasn't alone haha
01-17-2013 11:25 AM
BigDeaner
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Originally Posted by Runkmaster View Post
This is a great thread! All my buddies who ride with me and don't have jeeps laugh cause I have all these little tricks on how I tackle shifting depending how cold of a day it is. 2nd can be really tricky on cold days. I have three options. First i push to 3 grand and ill engage 2nd smoothly(not the smoothest ride but it bypasses that sticky feeling grabbing 2nd at lower speeds). Second, get rolling give her a little shake in neutral and ease it softly into 2nd(works about 2/3 of the time). Or third let her warm up for a good ten minutes and she'll be hot and ready for a ride, grabbing gears like a MF. Manuals are the only way to go. Sure it's more work but I'm a driver and automatics just don't do it for me.
I tried the first to second "wiggle shake" maneuver and it worked like a charm. Had me laughing as I drove down the street. Just another thing to love about my Jeep. Its fun finding out about these little ins and outs.
01-17-2013 07:49 AM
BigDeaner
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Originally Posted by TJ Skip View Post
What does double clutching mean? I've never heard that term regarding a jeep....
Say you're in first and want to double shift to second. Push in clutch, shift out of first, let off clutch. Push clutch in again and then shift into second. Takes a fraction of a second more and can easier on your syncros (or so I've read).
01-16-2013 10:25 PM
NCJeepin
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Originally Posted by jgorm View Post
Wait for the freeway ramp light to go green.
Rev to 4K, dump the clutch in first
Hold the gas to the floor while you power shift 2nd
Keep the gas pinned and power shift 3rd
Wind it out to redline and skip 4 and 5, into 6.

I start in 2nd about 3/4 of the time.
LOL the best way!
01-16-2013 08:45 PM
krisbman
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Originally Posted by TJ Skip
What does double clutching mean? I've never heard that term regarding a jeep....
Exactly what it says
01-16-2013 08:44 PM
TJ Skip What does double clutching mean? I've never heard that term regarding a jeep....
01-09-2013 09:15 PM
krisbman Alotta times just a little blip of the throttle is needed to smooth things out, especially when down shifting. Works for me.
01-09-2013 08:59 PM
teknoid Mine's a 6 speed, and I start out in 2nd most of the time. Only because it pops out of 1st a lot. Actually, it acts like a 5 speed when I do that. I don't know if it will cause problems down the road, but I've never heard any definitive reason for it doing what it does. I've checked the boot and linkage, and they're fine.
01-09-2013 08:45 PM
Runkmaster This is a great thread! All my buddies who ride with me and don't have jeeps laugh cause I have all these little tricks on how I tackle shifting depending how cold of a day it is. 2nd can be really tricky on cold days. I have three options. First i push to 3 grand and ill engage 2nd smoothly(not the smoothest ride but it bypasses that sticky feeling grabbing 2nd at lower speeds). Second, get rolling give her a little shake in neutral and ease it softly into 2nd(works about 2/3 of the time). Or third let her warm up for a good ten minutes and she'll be hot and ready for a ride, grabbing gears like a MF. Manuals are the only way to go. Sure it's more work but I'm a driver and automatics just don't do it for me.
01-09-2013 08:39 PM
C.L.
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Originally Posted by BigDeaner View Post
Recently my jeep has been a little tough to get into 2nd from 1st. Downshifting from 3rd to 2nd doesn't cause me any issues. It seems to be an issue more so when its cold, but it doesn't fully go away when warmed up. There isn't a grinding, but more of a resistance and then a "clunk" when I do get it to engage. If I ease it into 2nd, something catches (the syncro?), the stick is pushed forward slightly and then it drops into gear. This issue arose only after I changed the MT fluid to MT 90... Any thoughts?

To the OP, it seems like every Wrangler is different, once you learn exactly what she likes, its easy.
Both the AX15 and NV3550 get grumpy when it's cold out. I've tried a couple different fluids, and none have completely removed the 1-2 notch/clunk on cold mornings. When starting cold, i just double clutch for the first few 1-2 changes to smooth it out. Once it warms up it behaves itself.
01-09-2013 08:06 PM
Moabrubi
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Originally Posted by freeskier View Post
Shifting at 2000 rpm is really low.
X2 everyone thinks they are saving gas by lugging. I actually got worse mileage when i tried shifting at 2k.

I shift when it feels/sounds like I need to. I don't stare at the tach .
01-09-2013 07:55 PM
ohioviper I find it easier to shift sooner and not wind up 1st .Just ease out on clutch and as soon as it gets rolling good go into 2nd at maybe 1500 rpms or less.Goes right into 2nd nice and smooth.Then wind up the rest as needed.
01-09-2013 07:17 PM
freeskier Shifting at 2000 rpm is really low.
01-09-2013 06:53 PM
amuller
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Originally Posted by 530ktm View Post
A very informative post you have given.
01-09-2013 05:02 PM
c_goodnow I generally go from 1st to 3rd, and don't use 2nd very often. I got into the habit because my 2nd is hard to shift into until the transmission is good and warmed up.

I don't see how you're going to hurt your transmission with any shifting issue as long as you aren't grinding gears or otherwise being overly rough. I highly doubt that starting in second will cause any problems whatsoever with the transmission. (Maybe you could hurt the AX5 I don't know...)

Slipping the clutch however, is another story.
01-09-2013 04:54 PM
BigDeaner Recently my jeep has been a little tough to get into 2nd from 1st. Downshifting from 3rd to 2nd doesn't cause me any issues. It seems to be an issue more so when its cold, but it doesn't fully go away when warmed up. There isn't a grinding, but more of a resistance and then a "clunk" when I do get it to engage. If I ease it into 2nd, something catches (the syncro?), the stick is pushed forward slightly and then it drops into gear. This issue arose only after I changed the MT fluid to MT 90... Any thoughts?

To the OP, it seems like every Wrangler is different, once you learn exactly what she likes, its easy.
01-09-2013 03:27 PM
530ktm
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Originally Posted by amuller View Post
It's a Jeep, you are supposed to buck going into 2nd, third too if you can manage to! Only once though, call it a lurch! Or maybe I'm doing it wrong, LOL
A very informative post you have given.
01-09-2013 01:59 PM
amuller It's a Jeep, you are supposed to buck going into 2nd, third too if you can manage to! Only once though, call it a lurch! Or maybe I'm doing it wrong, LOL
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