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02-07-2013 06:25 PM
joeuncool Let me add to what I just posted. It seems that "you get what you pay for" has more to do when things are cheap than more expensive. More expensive doesn't always mean better, but, cheap usually just means, well, cheap.
02-07-2013 06:23 PM
joeuncool It is a matter of finding someone you can trust. Also, sometimes, there is a bit of truth in "you get what you pay for." Well, except for dealerships. I usually come away from those feeling violated.
02-07-2013 05:57 PM
jagerhelix
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Originally Posted by chrisfp88 View Post

K I took it to Courtesy Automotive since Sears Auto screwed up the alignment so bad. Jon the head hancho there is a straight shooter. Honest and gives a crap. He said he will road test it. Look through all the steering and everything and try to give his best opinion as to why it is having the slight shimmy around 50mph. I dealt with Jon in the past and while his prices are much higher they are extremely thorough on the work that they do. We are getting closer to finding a solution, I just pray it's soon. The past few weeks have been extremely draining.
Hope it works out for you. I've had good experiences Jon at courtesy
02-07-2013 04:27 PM
chrisfp88
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Originally Posted by joeuncool View Post
Definitely check the balance again. Took mine in for a rotation and balance. Had a slight wiggle only when I hit potholes. Took it back to Discount and sure enough tire wasn't balanced right. No more wiggle.
K I took it to Courtesy Automotive since Sears Auto screwed up the alignment so bad. Jon the head hancho there is a straight shooter. Honest and gives a crap. He said he will road test it. Look through all the steering and everything and try to give his best opinion as to why it is having the slight shimmy around 50mph. I dealt with Jon in the past and while his prices are much higher they are extremely thorough on the work that they do. We are getting closer to finding a solution, I just pray it's soon. The past few weeks have been extremely draining.
02-03-2013 11:03 PM
joeuncool Definitely check the balance again. Took mine in for a rotation and balance. Had a slight wiggle only when I hit potholes. Took it back to Discount and sure enough tire wasn't balanced right. No more wiggle.
02-03-2013 10:28 AM
chrisfp88 bump
01-31-2013 12:26 AM
jagerhelix For alignments, try courtesy automotive. Formerly J and s auto and 4x4. They seem to know lifted Jeeps with adjustable arms and trackbars really well. I've gone twice and they are extremely thorough. They road test as well afterwords. And lack of ss won't cause wobble just mask it. I don't even use a ss anymore.
01-30-2013 11:03 PM
chrisfp88 K everything is torqued tight. New tires are on. Took it to get aligned today and they did it wrong so I have to go back. I am still getting a very slight wiggle in the steering right at 50mph after resetting the speedometer. Tires are well balanced and good pressure. Still no ss. I'm running out of ideas on what it could be. Anyone?
01-22-2013 10:37 PM
joeuncool After I had the several parts replaced I still had shudders here and there when I ran over bumps in the road. I did notice that these seemed to show up after I had the tires balanced and rotated a few weeks ago. Took it back to Discount Tire and they found they incorrectly balanced one of the front. Rebalanced that and the Jeep drives like magic.

Recap of what I have found on the subject:

Jeep wandered around the road like a sidewinder and a bad case of death wobble. Took it to the stealership and they replaced the tie rod and found the track bar pretty loose and tightened it. The wandering went away with the tie rod. Death wobble went away but I still had shudders when I hit bumps.

3-4 weeks later found the track bar was loose again. Tightened it back up.

3-4 weeks later found track bar loose yet again and starting to run into several instances of death wobble. It would go into full blown death wobble like 3 times in a 2 hour session of driving around town. Got worse under braking, better under acceleration.

Took it to Predator 4wd, they replaced the already after market track bar with a much heavier duty after market track bar. They also replaced the right front U-joint and drag link end. I believe these parts were trashed from the death wobble which then caused the death wobble to be even worse which then damaged the parts more.

With the last balancing everything is great and this Jeep drives like a dream. The lesson I am taking away from this is that once you have a period of full death wobble, and I am talking the kind where it feels like the front wheel is coming off, then other parts are being damaged if ever so slightly which causes enough looseness to bring it on more often.

Thank goodness I am past this. A few more months of death wobble and I would have sold it and I haven't even owned it for a year.

Sorry about hijacking your thread. You can get yours fixed. There are just so many components under there that all tie together. Keep us posted.
01-22-2013 09:10 PM
chrisfp88
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Originally Posted by chrisfp88
Ok so the plan is for my friend and I to try and take off front end components one by one tomorrow and inspect all of them. If anyone is free and would like to help it would be greatly appreciated. Also if we can't find the cause I would love if someone who has had death wobble of their own and fixed it could chime in and help me out. I'm trying to figure this out on my own, but if I can't I'm gonna need someone with better problem solving and intuition to give their thoughts and perspective. I appreciate everyone's help so far. Wish us luck.
We retorqued all the front end. Jam nuts on tie rod were loose as crap. Tie rod end by the axle end was really loose. Tightened everything. Also the grease cert on one of my tie rod ends is missing. Need to find a 7mm one. Anyone know where I can find one? It still shudders. Need to drive it more to see how bad. Think part of it may still be tires. The new tires next week will tell. We will also recheck and retorque or remove front end depending on if tires fix it. Thanks everybody. I learned some even beinf under it today. I'll keep everyone in the loop
01-21-2013 10:32 AM
chrisfp88 Ok so the plan is for my friend and I to try and take off front end components one by one tomorrow and inspect all of them. If anyone is free and would like to help it would be greatly appreciated. Also if we can't find the cause I would love if someone who has had death wobble of their own and fixed it could chime in and help me out. I'm trying to figure this out on my own, but if I can't I'm gonna need someone with better problem solving and intuition to give their thoughts and perspective. I appreciate everyone's help so far. Wish us luck.
01-18-2013 10:33 AM
Bumble77
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Thanks. I work this weekend so that's not an option, but I appreciate it. As far as an SWR meter I know I have one hiding somewhere.
haha, I'll see if I need it. I have one built into my cb, but if I start getting bad readings I might want to take a reading at the antenna mount.
01-18-2013 10:22 AM
chrisfp88
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If you want to head to aurora sometime this weekend I have stocks we can flip around. If your problem is fairly predictable we could pull a NASCAR style swap (1.5 seconds or less!). I have e-470 nearby as well as some other pretty good stretches of road that you could test. Just give me a heads up since I'll be running around the city doing errands with the family. I have to get parts for my CB .
Thanks. I work this weekend so that's not an option, but I appreciate it. As far as an SWR meter I know I have one hiding somewhere.
01-18-2013 09:47 AM
Bumble77
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I don't know anyone who wants to let me borrow their tires. lol It's all good. Seems to shake less now that I got them balanced still there though. I'm gonna drive it normally for the next week. See what comes loose and we are gonna get it up and go through components one by one.
If you want to head to aurora sometime this weekend I have stocks we can flip around. If your problem is fairly predictable we could pull a NASCAR style swap (1.5 seconds or less!). I have e-470 nearby as well as some other pretty good stretches of road that you could test. Just give me a heads up since I'll be running around the city doing errands with the family. I have to get parts for my CB .
01-17-2013 07:52 PM
Justin04Lj Aww o well if you know anyone with jk to tj spacers the offers still open
01-17-2013 06:42 PM
chrisfp88
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They are just sitting in the garage
Thank you. Unfortunately I have a jk.
01-17-2013 06:13 PM
Justin04Lj They are just sitting in the garage
01-17-2013 06:12 PM
Justin04Lj If you have a tj I have a set of 33s that are all balanced if you wanted to borrow them to see.
01-17-2013 06:00 PM
chrisfp88
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I recently sold some tires on craigslist that had been sitting in my garage for a long time. Turned out they were "unbalancable" and caused the TJ they went onto to shake uncontrollably. Of course I refunded the money, but before you buy tires, maybe you could run it with someone else's tires that you know are in good shape and see what happens.
I don't know anyone who wants to let me borrow their tires. lol It's all good. Seems to shake less now that I got them balanced still there though. I'm gonna drive it normally for the next week. See what comes loose and we are gonna get it up and go through components one by one.
01-17-2013 11:44 AM
Bumble77
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I think I'm just replacing the tires period as well so we will see how that affects things.
I recently sold some tires on craigslist that had been sitting in my garage for a long time. Turned out they were "unbalancable" and caused the TJ they went onto to shake uncontrollably. Of course I refunded the money, but before you buy tires, maybe you could run it with someone else's tires that you know are in good shape and see what happens.
01-17-2013 11:09 AM
chrisfp88
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K balanced the tires seems less but not gone. Did front to back rotation. Jam nuts on tracbar were a little loose. Wiggle stilll present. Doesn't seem as aggressive but ill need to run it a few more days. Plan is one week from now taking stuff off and seeing what's loose if anything.
Balanced the tires and seems less obvious, but still existing. Still running without a steering stabilizer, but I don't think that's the issue or important. Checked caster angles from the spec sheet of my last alignment and they are at 4.3 left and 4.2 right so that's good. All the ends on everything look ok. I don't know. We are gonna try and take apart one component at a time next Tuesday to see if we can find anything. I think I'm just replacing the tires period as well so we will see how that affects things.
01-17-2013 01:40 AM
chrisfp88 K balanced the tires seems less but not gone. Did front to back rotation. Jam nuts on tracbar were a little loose. Wiggle stilll present. Doesn't seem as aggressive but ill need to run it a few more days. Plan is one week from now taking stuff off and seeing what's loose if anything.
01-16-2013 12:06 PM
chrisfp88 My friend and I are pulling apart the whole front end today.
01-16-2013 11:06 AM
CoachT I have not experienced the Death Wobble yet but I just purchased the hardware kit from Northridge 4X4 as a preventative measure. It's the best deal on this grade 8 hardware kit. It's less money than going down tot he local hardware store and all the proper length bolts, nuts and washers are included.

If you are going to have the Jeep on the jacks and doing work on it, it may be a good time to just go ahead and replace the hardware.

Northridge 4X4 Jeep JK Grade 8 Hardware kit
01-15-2013 05:40 PM
dcarey
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Originally Posted by chrisfp88 View Post
Cool. My friend and I are checking everthing tomorrow night. We were able the get bow to stern play in the trac bar at the frame bracket just pulling on it aggressively. So we are going to take a look at that.
If you have not upgraded that bolt on the axle side of the Track-bar that would be a great time to put a Grade 8 in 9/16 is the size i believe.

Good luck!!
01-12-2013 10:41 AM
chrisfp88
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Originally Posted by wanderlust

Yes, remember it can be a compounding issue that leads to it. Once it (death wobble) hits a certain frequency it will shake regardless of components. Tires and alignment can lead to it, typically you also have something else going on as well but it exaggerates it.
Cool. My friend and I are checking everthing tomorrow night. We were able the get bow to stern play in the trac bar at the frame bracket just pulling on it aggressively. So we are going to take a look at that.
01-12-2013 10:31 AM
wanderlust
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Originally Posted by chrisfp88

Fair enough. I'll check those out. Question for you based on what I have read this is probably not true. I have had not had full on death wobble since it was aligned could it be that the combination of unbalanced/unevenly worn tires and being toe'd in too far actually caused it? I still do get very aggressive shakes and shimmies which I know is mainly tire related.
Yes, remember it can be a compounding issue that leads to it. Once it (death wobble) hits a certain frequency it will shake regardless of components. Tires and alignment can lead to it, typically you also have something else going on as well but it exaggerates it.
01-12-2013 10:26 AM
jagerhelix what if you put some stockers back on to take your worn tires out of the equation? Would probably be a lot easier to identify the source of your issues.
01-12-2013 09:07 AM
chrisfp88
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Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
DEATH WOBBLE : What it is, What it isn't and What You Can Do to Fix it

Basic Do-it-Yourself Jeep JK Wrangler Front End Alignment

part of being a jeeper is to acquire the skills and knowledge to do a few things yourself. learning how to fix a few things and getting the tools to do it is very beneficial to wheeling and you pocket book.
Fair enough. I'll check those out. Question for you based on what I have read this is probably not true. I have had not had full on death wobble since it was aligned could it be that the combination of unbalanced/unevenly worn tires and being toe'd in too far actually caused it? I still do get very aggressive shakes and shimmies which I know is mainly tire related.
01-12-2013 07:45 AM
wanderlust DEATH WOBBLE : What it is, What it isn't and What You Can Do to Fix it

Basic Do-it-Yourself Jeep JK Wrangler Front End Alignment

part of being a jeeper is to acquire the skills and knowledge to do a few things yourself. learning how to fix a few things and getting the tools to do it is very beneficial to wheeling and you pocket book.
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