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02-17-2009 11:03 AM
jupiterboy Or course, if you are a progressive.
02-17-2009 09:50 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by txjustin View Post
I won't contribute much except that I am pro choice.
Of course you are
02-17-2009 09:22 AM
tiny terror
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Originally Posted by amy View Post
LOL, my feet won't stick out, I'm short. Chicks in horror movies are just too stupid to hide right. I mean, come on, they go into the dark room, all by themselves, even though the scary music is playing...
Yeah, you'd think that music would be a tip off to not go in there.
02-17-2009 09:12 AM
ntddyz As u all know by now...I am very "opinionated" myself and I have read and read the thoughts and opinions on this thread and here's what I have for ya..... Good God (uh oh there's that "word" again!) to each his own and cant we all just get along and agree to disagree???? If I wanted ur opinion....I would GIVE it to u! (thatz a joke a-hem!) There is good and bad in everything and there's always the "lesser of two evils" to vote for come election time and NO, I am not happy with how this election went down but...not much I can do about it ( I VOTED, so I have an opinion and a right to an opinion) Support our troops til the last one comes home...... And on that note...have a beautiful day!
02-17-2009 09:03 AM
txjustin I won't contribute much except that I am pro choice.
02-17-2009 08:39 AM
skeeter It is going very well. Very enjoyable.
Thanks.
02-17-2009 07:15 AM
jpdocdave
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Originally Posted by amy View Post
Well, I didn't mean to kill the thread...
way to go, j/k

actually this thread went really well, but it was waiting for you to come along pop it like a baby's new balloon
02-16-2009 11:29 PM
amy LOL, my feet won't stick out, I'm short. Chicks in horror movies are just too stupid to hide right. I mean, come on, they go into the dark room, all by themselves, even though the scary music is playing...
02-16-2009 11:04 PM
tiny terror It'll never work, your will feet stick out. Don't you ever watch horror movies??
02-16-2009 10:55 PM
amy HAH! They'll never take me alive! *runs to hide under the bed*
02-16-2009 10:45 PM
tiny terror The police will be at your door shortly, Thread Killer.
02-16-2009 10:30 PM
amy Well, I didn't mean to kill the thread...
02-16-2009 05:18 PM
amy
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
That is assuming you have actually identified the real enemy, and that there is only one.

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Originally Posted by 2much View Post
liberalism is the real enemy.
Ignorance is the real enemy. Whether it's the ignorance of the naive or purposeful, self induced, pigheadedness, ignorance is what got the US to the point we are now. People are voting on things that can change our country without getting the facts. They are taking, sometimes, drastic actions, that affect the lives of thousands of people, based on unproven theories. It doesn't matter whether they are liberal or conservative.



Ok, I'm done now.
02-16-2009 04:38 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by 2much View Post
liberalism is the real enemy.

and on a different issue skeeter, what do you think about Bobby Jindal, I''m kinda hoping he is going to be the new poster boy for the republican party. Any thoughts on him?
I'm not sure. I want to hear more from him but what I've heard so far sounds good.
02-16-2009 04:18 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by EvilRay1 View Post
But which makes more sense; to change an opinion when new facts come to light, or to cling to a theory that new facts suggest are wrong. Besides, medicine and technology were rather primitive at one point. How were they improved?
It makes no sense to change laws which will severely hamper the economy and damage the lively hood for thousands when the science isn't proven and in fact looks to be completely false.
02-16-2009 04:14 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
I can too. For me both sides have valid issues and some that are rather silly. On the environmental front, current data about mercury levels found in tissue samples of women of child-bearing age suggest we have effectively lowered average IQ by about 10 points by not controlling pollution. If activists need to use a minnow or some other species to push industry to pay a little to update pollution control Iím OK with that.

That is a typical liberal issue, but I have to vote for the species and science in that case.

We clearly need more than two parties in oder to get candidates with a possibility of getting most of it right.
I was specifically thinking of these folks when I mentioned minnows.

Klamath Basin Water Crisis Upholding Americans
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Who is KBC?
KBC, Klamath Basin Crisis, is the website of the Klamath Basin irrigators and their community, including miners, loggers and commercial fishermen. We are farmers and ranchers dedicated to preserving farming and ranching in the Klamath Basin and in America. We believe in our rights to own property and take care of our wildlife and natural resources. There isn't a farmer who hasn't stopped his tractor to move a bird's nest or rescue a bunny in distress. We each are guardians because we live and work with nature every day. As they are part of our lives, we are part of theirs.

In 2001, the Endangered Species Act (ESA) was introduced to our community in a hurry. The Bureau of Reclamation shut off our irrigation water, we were told, because the current 'opinions' said that the thousands of sucker fish in Klamath Lake, and coho salmon in the Klamath River, were endangered or threatened. That meant that our basin, which once was a deep lake, and as much of our untested aquifer as we could pump, belonged in Klamath Lake which was spilling over and in a river that the miners said had more water than they had ever seen. And the irrigators received no water. The refuges went dry. Our crops died. My husband and I (we are the KBC webmasters and editors) personally had to drill a $100,000 well to keep our perennial horseradish fields alive. Our organic pea field died.

Our neighbors and parents were some of the lucky veterans whose deeds were signed by U. S. Presidents. They are in their 'golden years', and they cried and asked why? Why would their government take water off their land for the first time in all history? Why would their government break their promises? Why would their government say the fish are endangered when they will not tell us how many there are, how many there were, and how many they want? Why would the fish need more water than they had before the project was built back in the early 1900s?.

Why would their government destroy the community that they spent their lives building from nothing? Why would their government allow our abundant wildlife to die?

We watched our Hispanic farm families, who had lived here for over 20 years, move away, with no place to go, no jobs, no money. We watched the school's dwindle in numbers. We watched our refuge water be sucked out of our area, and for the first time in known history, these refuge lakes dried and cracked. Animals died. It was like a cemetery.

The night our water was shut off I emailed the world in total disbelief and despair. A friend Ron DeShon, an old neighbor whose father also was a Tulelake homesteader, called and ask what he could do to help, and within a week he created Klamath Basin Water Crisis This became a night and day task for him and for many of us feeding him information....contacts of representatives, media, food services for the farmers and ranchers and farm workers who had no income, meetings, rallies, groups being formed to provide services.

Convoys came and brought hay for our livestock, since our alfalfa fields had dried up and died. They brought food, clothing, and donated funds to help the farmers and ranchers in the Klamath Basin

Over 200 domestic wells went dry, so there was some help for some residents needing to drill wells to service their homes. Our untested aquifer was being sucked dry. On top of that, as some of our fields went dry, we were pumping our wells into the refuge to help sustain over 300 species of wildlife.

Over half of waterfowl feed comes from our crops, and in 2001, that feed was not possible. So many farmers planted a crop on dry land and left it for the birds.
I've also got a friend that used to live in Idaho, every few years we have a particularly wet spring and the creek that wrapped around their property would flood and flow through their front yard, my buddy decided to go get a dump truck full of gravel to raise their driveway and put a pipe under it so the water could flow through unimpeded. The government decided that wasn't acceptable because his property that his family had owned for decades was now considered a wetlands and he would need permits and studies and all kinds of other bullshit before he would be allowed to make any changes on his own property.
Pollution control I can support and should be able to be handled through the courts if the science is sound enough to stand up under scrutiny. This kind of crap I can't.
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Stimulus has $30M to save Pelosi's harvest mouse
S.A. Miller (Contact)
Wednesday, February 11, 2009

House Republicans are challenging Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the massive stimulus spending bill contains no pet projects after uncovering in the bill more than $30 million for wetlands conservation in her San Francisco Bay area district, including work she previously championed to protect the salt marsh harvest mouse.

"This sounds like spending projects that have been supported by a certain powerful Democrat in the past," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican.

"It certainly doesn't sound like it will create or save American jobs," he said. "So can Speaker Pelosi explain exactly how we will improve the American economy by helping the adorable little" critter?
Washington Times - Stimulus has $30M to save Pelosi's harvest mouse
02-16-2009 03:04 PM
EvilRay1 But which makes more sense; to change an opinion when new facts come to light, or to cling to a theory that new facts suggest are wrong. Besides, medicine and technology were rather primitive at one point. How were they improved?
02-16-2009 02:58 PM
4point
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But without scientists you wouldnt have a jeep to go wheeling in or a computer to post about it on. The great thing about science is that it can admit it when its wrong.
Which is why I stated "When it comes to the environment/nature/our planet, science is lost."
When it comes to Med and Tech they rule.
02-16-2009 02:55 PM
EvilRay1
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Originally Posted by 4point View Post
When it comes to the environment/nature/our planet, science is lost. All they can do is guess and speculate. Their stance changes from year to year and decade to decade. Scientist bicker and quarrel their theories not agreeing on anything.

They are like witch doctors with a degree.
But without scientists you wouldnt have a jeep to go wheeling in or a computer to post about it on. The great thing about science is that it can admit it when its wrong.
02-16-2009 11:56 AM
4point When it comes to the environment/nature/our planet, science is lost. All they can do is guess and speculate. Their stance changes from year to year and decade to decade. Scientist bicker and quarrel their theories not agreeing on anything.

They are like witch doctors with a degree.
02-16-2009 08:50 AM
jupiterboy That is a partial quote from an article—one of many on the subject. Let’s not focus on the fetus for a moment, and consider the species. Your DNA largely determines the degree to which you and/or you wife and children are effected by these pollutants.

This anti-science stance is a big problem. I can’t even address the random jumps in your reasoning, which stand on their own. Personally, I would rather natural selection follow the lines of intelligence rather than resistance to pollutants.

If you have a moment, go back to some of my earlier posts and offer opinions on some of the questions posed regarding legal implications. That may help clarify for you how a liberal might be skeptical about the pro-life stance.
02-16-2009 08:36 AM
jpdocdave
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
So is protecting child-bearing women and their fetusí from poisoning liberal?

What I find is that broad generalizations are the enemy because they prevent us from digging deeper and doing the hard work needed to make good decisions. We tend to try and simplify by looking for a team to be on that is right, and then align our opinions with our own team. The joke is that your team my win but the human species may not.
i would agree with this partly, but how can liberals throw a fit about this, but have no problem with abortions for anyone, anytime, any age, any reason, or as birth control?????

and your epa quote boiled down said 4% of babies lost 1.6 iq points, and you can determine souly where that 1.6 points went? i guess we should stop wheeling our jeeps so these 4% can keep their 1 point on the iq. i doubt it has anything to do with women not taking proper care during a pregnancy, no chance in that i guess.

so i guess al gore really deserved that nobel prize after all, eventhough it all turned out to be a hoax, and false, but no one seems to care the he deceived millions of people, made millions of dollars, and then one republican wanted to sue him for all his deception and profit, and that went no where.

and all the emissions that are put on your car that cost a ton of extra money are practically useless in the big picture. so the epa and the liberals harping on that is a huge waste of time.

i'm still shocked they can talk about mercury levels and just over a point lower iq in 4% of babies, but hey, better yet, just abort those babies and problem solved right?
02-16-2009 08:20 AM
jupiterboy So is protecting child-bearing women and their fetus’ from poisoning liberal?

What I find is that broad generalizations are the enemy because they prevent us from digging deeper and doing the hard work needed to make good decisions. We tend to try and simplify by looking for a team to be on that is right, and then align our opinions with our own team. The joke is that your team my win but the human species may not.
02-16-2009 08:14 AM
2much liberalism is the real enemy.

and on a different issue skeeter, what do you think about Bobby Jindal, I''m kinda hoping he is going to be the new poster boy for the republican party. Any thoughts on him?
02-16-2009 07:59 AM
jupiterboy I can too. For me both sides have valid issues and some that are rather silly. On the environmental front, current data about mercury levels found in tissue samples of women of child-bearing age suggest we have effectively lowered average IQ by about 10 points by not controlling pollution. If activists need to use a minnow or some other species to push industry to pay a little to update pollution control I’m OK with that.

That is a typical liberal issue, but I have to vote for the species and science in that case.

We clearly need more than two parties in oder to get candidates with a possibility of getting most of it right.

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The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that about 8 percent of American women of childbearing age have enough mercury in their blood to put a fetus at risk.

Mount Sinai pediatrician and lead researcher Leonardo Trasande estimated that between 316,588 and 637,233 children are born each year with umbilical cord blood mercury levels linked to IQ loss.

The research found the IQ losses linked to mercury range from one-fifth of an IQ point to as much as 24 points.

As an example, Trasande said about 4 percent of babies, or about 180,000, are born each year with blood mercury levels between 7.13 and 15 micrograms per liter. That level of mercury, the group concluded, causes a loss of 1.6 IQ points.

Mercury levels, Trasande said, are probably lower generally than they were in years before limits were placed on emissions from medical waste and municipal incinerators.

"We've made great progress in reducing mercury emissions over the past decade, and this is likely to have reduced the number of affected children and to have reduced costs by a similar amount," Trasande said.
02-16-2009 12:50 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
That is assuming you have actually identified the real enemy, and that there is only one.
Pretty easy to identify who's been demonizing any religion other than islam.
Pretty clear who fights against the right to self defense and the right to keep and bear arms.
Not too difficult to figure out who shuts down most public as well as private land to save a rat or a minnow even when it hurts human families.
Pretty obvious who's been ruining our school system for their own gain.
The list goes on and on but there's one thing in common, they pretty much all support or are democrats.
I don't pretend to know all the power brokers behind the scenes but if their pawns are eliminated then they either have to come out in the open or go hide in a corner.
I also don't pretend that the republicans are much better, for the past decade they've just been democrat lite which is why I left the party.
One good thing this latest shakeup has done is to spur conservatives to wake up and start cleaning some of the scum out of the republican party. they still have a ways to go but it's starting to look promising.
I realize my idea of America and who threatens it may differ from yours but it's okay, I can live with that...
02-15-2009 10:16 PM
jpdocdave
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post




Sheesh, some peoples children, you send em to school and all they learn about is how to be gay...
02-15-2009 09:33 PM
tiny terror
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
I doubt his noodely goodness worries much about such minor indiscretions.

Good, because I really spell terribly. Thank SM for little red underlines.
02-15-2009 09:07 PM
jupiterboy That is assuming you have actually identified the real enemy, and that there is only one.
02-15-2009 09:03 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by 2much View Post
Skeeter, I agree the conservative side does lose many votes over issues of faith, however, the republican party, or any conservative movement simply would not be able to exist without the support of evangelical, fundamental Christians, so to dismiss Christianity from politics would be alienate a huge majority of the party.
I'd love to see what percentage of conservatives are fundamental evangelicals. I doubt it's the majority but it doesn't really matter.
I'm not suggesting Christianity be dismissed. I'm suggesting they look at the big picture and quit making moral issues primary party issues. It's irrelevant at the federal level and all it succeeds in doing is fracturing the party.
It's incredibly foolish to drive off potential allies in the fight against the real enemy.
Just look how well it worked out for us this time.
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