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02-23-2014 03:27 PM
GoldenEagle I actually just stumble back on their website, strange how the internet gets you places. and i must say, i like the new look of the page. they really made it more functional and way more helpful than its previous style. That and the forum they have created is pretty sweet. Helps to see the options, and styles laid out. And you are correct, it doesnt get much simpler than that. And while it might not be the most cost effective route, by the time i screw up 6 or seven times, this woulda been the way to go!

SO maybe once the weather starts warming up, and i move to my new house with a garage, I might be able to start this! FInally, fingers crossed.

Thanks again for all the information!
12-13-2013 06:35 AM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
Simplicity is calling my name...Getting as much info first is a better way to go...
It's hard to get much simpler than assembling a Harbor Freight frame kit. And they work just fine off-road, the one pictured below is on an HF frame and is running 35's (it's got an upgraded axle )...



Here are some links to info on modifying the HF frame:

Modifying the trailer to fit under a Jeep-tub trailer like the one above: Building a stronger 4'x4' frame out of a 4'x8' Harbor Freight frame

Modifying the frame to fit under a military-style trailer: http://dinoot.com/MSer-HF-frame.pdf

Upgrading from the "slipper" springs in the HF kit to shackle springs: Replacing noisy Harbor Freight Slipper Springs

Fitting Jeep wheels on typical trailer hubs: Fitting Jeep factory wheels on typical trailer hubs

Wider axle options for the HF frame: Wider axle options for a Harbor Freight 94564 trailer

All of this info and more can be found at the Trailer Adventuring Forum at Tventuring - Trailers.

Both the black Jeep-tub trailer and the fiberglass military replica trailer pictured below are built on Harbor Freight frames:

12-13-2013 03:48 AM
GoldenEagle Simplicity is calling my name. You have hit all the options, very nice, thanks!
The reason i asked was to try and keep it all constant with my jeep, hence all the trouble with the tub, otherwise i would just go by some boring trailer. Ive seen them built with the rear end jeep frames, springs and axles.

Set up, and tweaking of a leaf spring suspension is more under my skill list at the moment. (that and money haha) Plus adjustment of ride height if i wanted to lift it, that would be simpler as well.

all the time that it would take to make the some of those set-ups work with the 3 link, or 4 link suspensions seems outrageous. the time in, wouldnt be worth the reward out, as you stated in your last bit. makes sense. and im not trying to get a trailer to flex on rocks.

Most of the time in projects, i just jump in and deal with problems as they occur, that gets real expensive real quick. Im glad i haven't done that on this one yet. Getting as much info first is a better way to go. so Thank you again!
12-12-2013 08:55 AM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
Is trying to make it a coil spring trailer worth the extra time and effort, and probably money?
or should i just stick with leaf springs
Leaf springs will ride stiff & bouncy when unloaded. But, a more fancy suspension can be a very big waste of time depending how you set it up.

Assuming you go with solid axles, you can do radius arms, but you'll need to build a track bar. You can do away with the track bar by running a wishbone 3-link or upper triangulated 4-link. Alternatively, you could go independent suspension with an dual A-arm/wishbone setup & individual axle stubs.

I looked at all that and it adds SIGNIFICANT cost. The suspension can easily become the most expensive part of the trailer. There's even a trailer build thread on JeepForum setup with an airbags + upper tri 4-link using adjustable Currie JJ control arms.

The question I ask with that is why? what are you accomplishing? It isn't suspension flex, because all the "flex" or articulation occurs at the hitch with the vehicle. Independent suspension on the trailer can be used to level the trailer on an uneven surface...or maybe you should just pick a better camping spot. The only other thing you'll gain in the trailer with fancy suspension is a better ride - but you're not personally riding in the trailer....so who's going to care?
12-12-2013 04:48 AM
GoldenEagle between the girl friend (now ex hahah) and a killer price on a motorcycle i couldn't pass up. i havent. With summer over, and being back at school, i have no where to work on it. so its been set back. Life isnt cheap either haha. But this gives me more time to perfect my design i guess!

Any update on yours?! would love to hear about it and see it!
06-25-2013 01:44 PM
flmtrain
Update on your trailer build

Did you start your trailer build? I am starting to look around for all the info on trailer builds through the forum an dhope to start one very soon myself.
03-28-2013 08:27 AM
GoldenEagle While continuing to R+D for ideas on this project, i cam across Coil spring trailers. This was what i kinda wanted to do in the first place to match the jeep but it seemed like to much effort.

Is trying to make it a coil spring trailer worth the extra time and effort, and probably money?
or should i just stick with leaf springs
03-13-2013 03:37 PM
GoldenEagle Thats some great information, and some good links, thanks. I think you did a great job designing all that stuff. But i really like youre yellow trailer with the custom frame you made, over the harbor freight based ones (theyre still great though), Im really starting to lean to toward a custom frame. I wanna try and keep the jeeps axles and the trailers axles the same width.

Since its winter still where i am, and maybe when it warms up above 9 degrees, Im gunna start with building a custom frame.

Ive been given a lot of time to research and design. And reading though jscherb's many pages of information on this site and others has helped a lot, so thank you again
03-11-2013 09:32 AM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by CRolandLJ View Post
Yes that's the one.
03-11-2013 09:09 AM
CRolandLJ 4' x 8' Utility Trailer - 1720 Lb. Capacity

is that the trailer?
03-11-2013 07:35 AM
jscherb
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which is what i was concerned about, which really isn't a big deal. I wish i knew the WMS distance on the axle of the HF trailer.
The WMS distance on the 1720-lb. capacity HF trailer is 56.5" and the bolt circle is 5-on-4.5, same as the TJ and YJ Wranglers.

This is a shortened/strengthened HF frame running Jeep Moab wheels with 31" tires, here's a photo before the tub was installed:



Info about shortening/strengthening the HF frame is here, including the front/rear receivers: Building a stronger 4'x4' frame out of a 4'x8' Harbor Freight frame

Info about using Jeep wheels on trailer hubs is here: Fitting Jeep factory wheels on typical trailer hubs

01-22-2013 06:35 PM
GoldenEagle which is what i was concerned about, which really isn't a big deal. I wish i knew the WMS distance on the axle of the HF trailer.

I think he best plan of action is to get the trailer, then if i have to (and probably should) get a new axle, then get the tub

How much should i pay for one of those?
01-22-2013 01:30 AM
gixxerphil
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
Short and sweet answers, ha ha i like it


The reason is the trailer hub is to big to fit in the factory wheel opening. You can either get a spacer or have the factory wheel machined out.
01-22-2013 01:25 AM
GoldenEagle Short and sweet answers, ha ha i like it
01-22-2013 12:26 AM
gixxerphil
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It doesnt look like i would be able to use these rims (not those tires) with those axles, can i? even if i got the 5 by 4.5

Not without a spacer
01-22-2013 12:14 AM
GoldenEagle It doesnt look like i would be able to use these rims (not those tires) with those axles, can i? even if i got the 5 by 4.5
01-21-2013 11:49 PM
gixxerphil
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
Is it worth paying the extra couple bucks to get the axles with brakes?
even on such a small trailer

Some states may require you to have brakes
01-21-2013 11:47 PM
GoldenEagle Is it worth paying the extra couple bucks to get the axles with brakes?
even on such a small trailer
01-21-2013 09:38 PM
gixxerphil Trailer Axles - Trailer Axle Kits

They do custom lengths for $10 more
01-21-2013 09:28 PM
CRolandLJ cool, thanks. Your hunting trip described in your build thread is exactly why i want one of these - that and the occasional trip to home depot... haha
01-21-2013 08:52 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by CRolandLJ View Post
I have stumbled upon these axles... did you find a distributor near you or did you order it somewhere online?


I've been kind of accumulating links stuff with the anticipation of starting on a trailer this summer so your build thread looks like a great place to poke around...thanks.
yup, a local trailer supply shop is a Dexter dealer. there are several Dexter & other axle manufacturer dealers in my area. you should also be able to just call Dexter directly and order from them. get it drop shipped to a local UPS hub and pick it up
01-21-2013 08:41 PM
GoldenEagle
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Originally Posted by CRolandLJ View Post
he didn't get it from the same place you're thinking about... they got it from him
Ha ha ha thats what i mean, nice catch.

But i feel like maybe you and i are in the same boat.

Im looking for a place to start. I think deciding on a trailer and axle is step one.
So if buying that axle and making your own frame is the way to go, i should get started, or maybe just the stanard trailer. Looking for ideas

How much does your custom trailer weight, of you kwon, and what was your reason for getting the brakes added?
01-21-2013 08:35 PM
CRolandLJ
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
w/o brakes they're around $120-140.
I have stumbled upon these axles... did you find a distributor near you or did you order it somewhere online?


I've been kind of accumulating links stuff with the anticipation of starting on a trailer this summer so your build thread looks like a great place to poke around...thanks.
01-21-2013 08:28 PM
CRolandLJ
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
Ive seen that, i believe, if he got it from the same place i was looking, and they charge 1000 dollars for the kit, and it doesnt include the trailer, But it looks like he used the standard axle with the jeep wheels in the photos, i believe i read some where that they fit.

Im not looking for a truly off road trailer, i want something that i can put matching jeep wheels, a tub, take it down the highway,dirt roads, but im not looking to cliimb mountains with it. If i could, it would just be a plus ha ha
he didn't get it from the same place you're thinking about... they got it from him
01-21-2013 08:27 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
That is a lot less then i expected! for that low, it might be something for me to really consider
yea, when I ran all the numbers in terms of buying a HF trailer, an M416, or something else off craigslist, then modifying it...i basically said screw it, it all works out close to building my own.
01-21-2013 08:14 PM
GoldenEagle
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
w/o brakes they're around $120-140.
That is a lot less then i expected! for that low, it might be something for me to really consider
01-21-2013 08:13 PM
GoldenEagle i think this trailer actually has a 5 bolt pattern, wether ot not its a 4.5"... idk?
01-21-2013 08:04 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
If you dont mind me asking, how much would one of those axles run me?
w/o brakes they're around $120-140.
01-21-2013 08:02 PM
GoldenEagle If you dont mind me asking, how much would one of those axles run me?
01-21-2013 07:59 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
I see, i do like the way your trailer sits, seems a little more aggressive, and stream line with your jeep.
thanks
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