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02-08-2013 10:15 AM
Bigkidneys
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Originally Posted by Jaxon1023 View Post
Man that green Sahara s one ugly jeep
I agree! Who in their right mind would like that combo Now I just need to find the paint code for the shop to repaint the tailgate. Can't find the sticker with the info anywhere.
02-07-2013 10:59 PM
Jaxon1023 Man that green Sahara s one ugly jeep
02-04-2013 08:41 AM
i-Zapp
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Originally Posted by BLK00TJ View Post
If you want to know for sure, drive your Jeep at varying speeds up to 60mph and all the gears. Then pull over and remove the rear driveshaft, put in in 4h and drive the same route at the same speeds.
thats a graet idea. will try this weekend.
02-01-2013 11:53 AM
Bigkidneys Thank you again Jerry.
02-01-2013 11:32 AM
Jerry Bransford A rear trackbar relocation bracket made with an angle for a CV driveshaft installation will be all you need for the track bar. That angled style of trackbar relocation bracket compensates for the steeper track bar bracket angle that will be introduced at the track bar driver's side mounting bracket when the axle is rotated to raise the pinion shaft for the new CV driveshaft.

Like this one... Rubicon Express Part RE1602 - Rear Track Bar Bracket -RH2

Adjustable-length control arm-wise, I like Currie's arms but I'd have to assume you can get a pair from Zone that will be less expensive.
02-01-2013 11:25 AM
Teague242
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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc

That's YJ tech, welcome to TJ's!! New and improved!!
Haha I was wondering why I only saw it happen with YJs and old XJs... Learn something new every day!
02-01-2013 11:19 AM
Bigkidneys
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
You can't adjust the pinion angle to compensate for a 4" lift. If it were that simple we wouldn't need SYE kits and CV driveshaft. Not to mention your OE driveshaft will be too short after installing the SYE kit and its slip joint at the front won't connect up in front to the SYE's output shaft u-joint yoke.

I figured you'd say that but just wanted to confirm before I throw another $800-$1000 into the pot. I won't need an adjustable rear track bar will I? Also, any recommendations on a set of rear uppers?
02-01-2013 10:48 AM
Jerry Bransford You can't adjust the pinion angle to compensate for a 4" lift. If it were that simple we wouldn't need SYE kits and CV driveshaft. Not to mention your OE driveshaft will be too short after installing the SYE kit and its slip joint at the front won't connect up in front to the SYE's output shaft u-joint yoke.
02-01-2013 10:45 AM
Bigkidneys
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
I'd get the SYE and CV driveshaft from Tom Wood at Tom Wood's Custom Drive Shafts - Tom Woods Custom Drive Shafts Custom Driveshafts Specialist who will provide unsurpassed pre and post-sales support. Tom is genuinely a good guy who will walk you through the entire process. Click on the 'Tail Shaft Conversion kits' link in the top-middle of the page just above the big u-joint in the center.

The only other thing you'll need will be a pair of adjustable length upper-rear control arms which are needed to raise the rear axle's pinion angle up to match the requirements of the new CV driveshaft.

Once you're on the SYE/CV driveshaft page, you'll be faced with some choices. Tom will walk you through them but for most of us not planning extreme builds, the standard length (non super-short) is fine and makes it so you don't need to install an electronic speedometer calibrator like the Super-Short SYE kits all require. I installed a standard non super-short SYE on my previous TJ and it worked great.

I'd also go for the 'X' version of the driveshaft which simply gives you more spline length on the shaft for not much additional $$$. That just means the shaft can move in/out more when you're offroading without running out of length.

Tom will spend enough time with you that you'll be comfortable when you're done with the order. Mention that I referred you when you call in to ask for Tom if he doesn't pick up the phone which he does about half the time.

One other question. Was about to call Tom this morning and started looking at Adj Upper Rear control arms. Do you have to buy an SYE/CV combo if you just install the control arms and try to adjust the pinion angle while using the same driveshaft and Tcase drop kit? All the info says you buy them to adjust pinion angle after putting a lift on. If that is my ultimate goal, is it necessary to buy the SYE/CV combo? Confused but if I have to buy both I will. Just looking at the most economical way to do it as like I mentioned, I won't be off roading and if I do, it would be very minor. Just wanting the vibes to go away as well as the bouncing at low speed I have now.
02-01-2013 10:42 AM
DevilDogDoc
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Originally Posted by Teague242 View Post
That was my first thought. I don't think you can remove the shaft without oil pouring out. Damn slip yokes....
That's YJ tech, welcome to TJ's!! New and improved!!
02-01-2013 10:34 AM
jrmiller
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Originally Posted by Teague242 View Post

That was my first thought. I don't think you can remove the shaft without oil pouring out. Damn slip yokes....
You can remove the shaft without losing any fluid.
02-01-2013 10:03 AM
Teague242
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Originally Posted by All Terrain TJ

If I don't have an sye and I remove the rear driveshaft to drive isn't that gonna make a heck of a mess from transfercase lube?
That was my first thought. I don't think you can remove the shaft without oil pouring out. Damn slip yokes....
02-01-2013 06:47 AM
All Terrain JK
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Originally Posted by BLK00TJ View Post
If you think you might have vibes, you probably do. They can vary depending on how much the angles are and what condition the joints are in so it'd be hard to describe. Mine were barely noticeable and probably only by me since I was used to what it used to feel like. If you want to know for sure, drive your Jeep at varying speeds up to 60mph and all the gears. Then pull over and remove the rear driveshaft, put in in 4h and drive the same route at the same speeds.
If I don't have an sye and I remove the rear driveshaft to drive isn't that gonna make a heck of a mess from transfercase lube?
02-01-2013 02:32 AM
Bamafan4life I've heard that if you put on a 4 inch lift and a 1.25 body lift with a 1 inch Mml the motor mount lift will reduce the driveline angles enough too where the slip yoke isn't needed, is this correct?
02-01-2013 12:38 AM
Bigkidneys
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
I'd get the SYE and CV driveshaft from Tom Wood at Tom Wood's Custom Drive Shafts - Tom Woods Custom Drive Shafts Custom Driveshafts Specialist who will provide unsurpassed pre and post-sales support. Tom is genuinely a good guy who will walk you through the entire process. Click on the 'Tail Shaft Conversion kits' link in the top-middle of the page just above the big u-joint in the center.

The only other thing you'll need will be a pair of adjustable length upper-rear control arms which are needed to raise the rear axle's pinion angle up to match the requirements of the new CV driveshaft.

Once you're on the SYE/CV driveshaft page, you'll be faced with some choices. Tom will walk you through them but for most of us not planning extreme builds, the standard length (non super-short) is fine and makes it so you don't need to install an electronic speedometer calibrator like the Super-Short SYE kits all require. I installed a standard non super-short SYE on my previous TJ and it worked great.

I'd also go for the 'X' version of the driveshaft which simply gives you more spline length on the shaft for not much additional $$$. That just means the shaft can move in/out more when you're offroading without running out of length.

Tom will spend enough time with you that you'll be comfortable when you're done with the order. Mention that I referred you when you call in to ask for Tom if he doesn't pick up the phone which he does about half the time.

Thanks for the info Jerry. Much appreciated!
01-31-2013 10:25 PM
elclipo The only vibe (if I can call it that) is ocassional and only at low speeds. It's more of a bouncy feeling that what I would call a vibration.
01-31-2013 10:21 PM
BLK00TJ
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Originally Posted by elclipo View Post
Not to jack the thread but, what do the driveline vibes feel like? I have a 4" lift with a t-case drop. Everything seems fine but I'm paranoid by nature so I want to make sure I know what to look/feel for.

Nice lift by the way.
If you think you might have vibes, you probably do. They can vary depending on how much the angles are and what condition the joints are in so it'd be hard to describe. Mine were barely noticeable and probably only by me since I was used to what it used to feel like. If you want to know for sure, drive your Jeep at varying speeds up to 60mph and all the gears. Then pull over and remove the rear driveshaft, put in in 4h and drive the same route at the same speeds.
01-31-2013 10:18 PM
Teague242 I just had em last weekend. When you put your foot on the gas it'll vibrate. It'll vibrate worse in the higher gears. It's pretty noticeable and very very annoying to drive with it.

Think unbalanced front tires doing 80 down a highway. Without the steering wheel wobbling.
01-31-2013 09:59 PM
elclipo Not to jack the thread but, what do the driveline vibes feel like? I have a 4" lift with a t-case drop. Everything seems fine but I'm paranoid by nature so I want to make sure I know what to look/feel for.

Nice lift by the way.
01-31-2013 09:30 PM
Jerry Bransford I'd get the SYE and CV driveshaft from Tom Wood at Tom Wood's Custom Drive Shafts - Tom Woods Custom Drive Shafts Custom Driveshafts Specialist who will provide unsurpassed pre and post-sales support. Tom is genuinely a good guy who will walk you through the entire process. Click on the 'Tail Shaft Conversion kits' link in the top-middle of the page just above the big u-joint in the center.

The only other thing you'll need will be a pair of adjustable length upper-rear control arms which are needed to raise the rear axle's pinion angle up to match the requirements of the new CV driveshaft.

Once you're on the SYE/CV driveshaft page, you'll be faced with some choices. Tom will walk you through them but for most of us not planning extreme builds, the standard length (non super-short) is fine and makes it so you don't need to install an electronic speedometer calibrator like the Super-Short SYE kits all require. I installed a standard non super-short SYE on my previous TJ and it worked great.

I'd also go for the 'X' version of the driveshaft which simply gives you more spline length on the shaft for not much additional $$$. That just means the shaft can move in/out more when you're offroading without running out of length.

Tom will spend enough time with you that you'll be comfortable when you're done with the order. Mention that I referred you when you call in to ask for Tom if he doesn't pick up the phone which he does about half the time.
01-31-2013 09:16 PM
Bigkidneys Thanks Jerry. All in part to the wisdom spread on this board from gentlemen like you Here's a question for you... Can you tell me exactly what I will need for the SYE/CV shaft and whatever else I need? Any recommendations as far as places to buy? Would I need certain measurements or is it just an order according to lift height, year, etc? Wanna get the pieces in place so its a no brainer when I can order the stuff.
01-31-2013 09:11 PM
Jerry Bransford Good looking Jeep, love how it looks with the new lift on it!
01-31-2013 07:32 PM
Bigkidneys Well, got my Zone 4in SL kit installed today. I asked the guys installing to take before and after measurements but I guess they forgot and I have no idea what you actually measure to determine your actual lift height. I will say that it seems higher than 4 inches but again, just gauging it off my body previously on a put together kit 2 POs ago installed only telling the one I bought it from it was lifted 2.5 in front and 2 in the rear. The tech said the front was around 3.5 and the rear was at 2 which gave me the shit in the pants look... Rides stiffer but I like it. Was hoping the driveline vibes would go away that I was experiencing before I put this lift on it with the Tcase drop but no... It's actually worse but not too terrible. That being said and looking at the new side profile, looks like I will be saving up for an SYE/CV and adj upper control arms and possibly some 35s unless the coils settle in and drops a bit as she's showing a little more leg than I thought she would. Overall though I like it and the ride has literally no sway like I had before so much better in my mind. A before and after picture.
01-31-2013 12:20 AM
Redrum914
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Originally Posted by Bigkidneys

Not everyone needs the clearance as not all of us off road. Some like myself just like the looks of it. I am in the heart of Hillbilly country where everywhere other car is a jacked up truck and would guarantee half of them never off road. I am having mine lifted tomorrow and the only off road it may see is the beach and maybe some dunes. No serious stuff here in my neck of the woods. Tbh, some of the pictures I see of people crawling on here makes me cringe just thinking about busting a part or tire or something that costs a lot of $$. Maybe one day I'll get into it but for now, I just want to lift it purely for aesthetics
Very good point
01-31-2013 12:13 AM
Bigkidneys
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Originally Posted by Redrum914 View Post
I read some where in the forums about the tcase drop vs the sye and the guy had a valid point. Your lifting your jeep to gain more clearance so why would you drop the transfer case down lower. You are defeating the purpose
Not everyone needs the clearance as not all of us off road. Some like myself just like the looks of it. I am in the heart of Hillbilly country where everywhere other car is a jacked up truck and would guarantee half of them never off road. I am having mine lifted tomorrow and the only off road it may see is the beach and maybe some dunes. No serious stuff here in my neck of the woods. Tbh, some of the pictures I see of people crawling on here makes me cringe just thinking about busting a part or tire or something that costs a lot of $$. Maybe one day I'll get into it but for now, I just want to lift it purely for aesthetics
01-30-2013 11:45 PM
Redrum914 I read some where in the forums about the tcase drop vs the sye and the guy had a valid point. Your lifting your jeep to gain more clearance so why would you drop the transfer case down lower. You are defeating the purpose
01-30-2013 01:28 AM
Brew
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04

Inform her it won't cost her a dime because you're a big boy and make your own money. If she gives you some BS, show her where the door is located.
Amen.
01-29-2013 08:02 PM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by elclipo View Post
Showed my wife the belly comparison expecting her to like the clean line etc. Instead I got a "ok..." accompanied by a look that said " how much is THAT gonna cost me?"
Inform her it won't cost her a dime because you're a big boy and make your own money. If she gives you some BS, show her where the door is located.
01-29-2013 07:24 PM
DevilDogDoc
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Originally Posted by Bigkidneys View Post
I had planned on doing that. Was worried about sway and other things that may come with a BL. My condo association forbids working on our vehicles there and our driveways are all gravel. Talk about taking away our man cards Was planning on swinging by the Hobby shop on Corry Station to see what they have. Run by there all the time but their hours are crazy and really don't seem to benefit anyone except dependents who don't work or retirees who don't work as well. 11-7 weekdays and Sunday is closed. I remember the one in PR being open 6 out of 7 days till 2100 and actually helping you rather than just checking out gear and saying "Hope you don't screw it up worse!"
Just get a 1.25 BL and don't worry much, I have seen rigs with narrow 33's fit nicely with just the BL.
01-29-2013 06:37 PM
elclipo Showed my wife the belly comparison expecting her to like the clean line etc. Instead I got a "ok..." accompanied by a look that said " how much is THAT gonna cost me?"
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