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04-24-2013 06:38 PM
MichiganJeepster I believe the 3.6L Pentastar in the Chargers and Ram Trucks is around 305 HP so I guess I could see where a tune could reach those numbers. Usually reductions in HP is because of intake and exhaust manifold designs in order to fit in a certain vehicle. I guess its possible that JEEP de-tuned the Pentastar for the Wrangler.
02-01-2013 03:42 PM
Brasco20 Does it allow lockers in 4high? Any clue when they will be out for the 2013s?
01-31-2013 08:19 PM
Elarson
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
no for the Challenger.
Oh..sorry yes I can!! As soon as I get a chance tomorrow or so I will dig them out and post them here!!
01-31-2013 08:17 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by Elarson View Post
You mean for the Jeep? Having solid experience in these things and given this isn't a sports car, I wasn't planning on making the drive and paying for the dyno time for the Jeep. I will post my honest impressions on if this was a waste of money IMO or if I would do it again with this vs. a 400hp hemi...

Cool thing is it's the same tuner for the 392 hemi in the 2012 Challenger which is my next project now that the tuning is available and the superchargers will be out soon enough.
no for the Challenger.
01-31-2013 07:51 PM
Elarson
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
can you post your befor and after dyno charts with run conditions etc? thanks.
You mean for the Jeep? Having solid experience in these things and given this isn't a sports car, I wasn't planning on making the drive and paying for the dyno time for the Jeep. I will post my honest impressions on if this was a waste of money IMO or if I would do it again with this vs. a 400hp hemi...

Cool thing is it's the same tuner for the 392 hemi in the 2012 Challenger which is my next project now that the tuning is available and the superchargers will be out soon enough.
01-31-2013 07:39 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by Elarson View Post
So what was the value you added to a discussion you obiously had no interest in? Why not just pass it by rather than puke your word out when you have no grounds to stand on? Guess what i have a custom challenger with a hemi and access to a dyno so I have clear docs from when I tuned it that the gain was 26hp and 31 torque using a custom tune done by a pro tuner. Stop at lingfelter motor sports in detroit and you can see a wall of documented proof of what they can do with a tune as well. Your right. My money so go spend time on a topic where you might enjoy yourself more and us less.
can you post your befor and after dyno charts with run conditions etc? thanks.
01-31-2013 07:17 PM
Elarson
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Originally Posted by Dick Blonov

Major BS. This thing only farts with inputs from various sensors. Might as well buy a ricer sticker and call it a day. Don't like the shift points? use the slap stick.

DB
Took a look at the name on this one. Go figure.
01-31-2013 07:16 PM
Elarson
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Originally Posted by Matador

I'm sorry but I'm going to call BS on this. There's mo way a chip tuning can yield that much of a gain with a NA engine. The only way your going to push those type of numbers is through forced air compression through a supercharger or turbo. From a chip tuning with corresponding intake and exhaust your going to be lucky if you break a 10hp gain. This has been an argument since the beginning of time with NA engine, without major head work or forced compression your not changing much. All these chips due is play with the fuel mapping and shifting point to give your butt Dino the sense that you've gained 20hp. But hey, it's your money.
So what was the value you added to a discussion you obiously had no interest in? Why not just pass it by rather than puke your word out when you have no grounds to stand on? Guess what i have a custom challenger with a hemi and access to a dyno so I have clear docs from when I tuned it that the gain was 26hp and 31 torque using a custom tune done by a pro tuner. Stop at lingfelter motor sports in detroit and you can see a wall of documented proof of what they can do with a tune as well. Your right. My money so go spend time on a topic where you might enjoy yourself more and us less.
01-31-2013 06:53 PM
Dick Blonov
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Originally Posted by Matador View Post
I'm sorry but I'm going to call BS on this.
Major BS. This thing only farts with inputs from various sensors. Might as well buy a ricer sticker and call it a day. Don't like the shift points? use the slap stick.


DB
01-31-2013 06:35 PM
Matador
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Originally Posted by Elarson

It comes preloaded with multiple tune options (note doing this will void your engine warranty if caught with the tune in and an engine problem).

Diablo is claiming 20hp and 15 trq...based on my personal experiences with my Challenger my gains there were real close to their claims so I would expect the same here. Just as important is the improvemnet to shift points, throttle booster mapping (makes it respond better), improved MPH..etc....

fun isn't cheap...$600 bucks.
I'm sorry but I'm going to call BS on this. There's mo way a chip tuning can yield that much of a gain with a NA engine. The only way your going to push those type of numbers is through forced air compression through a supercharger or turbo. From a chip tuning with corresponding intake and exhaust your going to be lucky if you break a 10hp gain. This has been an argument since the beginning of time with NA engine, without major head work or forced compression your not changing much. All these chips due is play with the fuel mapping and shifting point to give your butt Dino the sense that you've gained 20hp. But hey, it's your money.
01-31-2013 05:56 PM
grecy I'm very interested to hear of any mileage gains. Please let us know.

Thanks,
-Dan
01-31-2013 05:03 PM
Blackpearl14
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Originally Posted by gregaf3
Has anybody tried the hypertech interceptor ? Interceptor - Hypertech

From the looks of it the unit can be removed before dealer visits and leaves not footprint for the dealers to find. Granted you would not get all of the cool locker, sway bar, and shift point stuff.
Here is an email I got from the company.


James

We have not yet released the Interceptor for the Jeep, we will
soon but no exact release date at this time. We will not have the dyno
chart details available until released. I've entered your contact
information so you'll be notified once ready. Thanks

Jim
01-30-2013 12:16 PM
JKjingle I'll definitely be waiting on this. I'm too scared to lose my warranty something ill probably do in 5 years when the warranties up and the tunes are cheaper
01-30-2013 12:11 PM
BLK2012 The Trinity does have the functionality some folks would not want though, similar to what my G-Tech unit performs.


It's interesting they are discontinuing the Predator, which I remember being a couple hundred $'s cheaper and without the fancy gauges.
01-30-2013 11:44 AM
paleh0rse Interesting... looking forward to the reviews!
01-30-2013 11:25 AM
Renegade4x4 @ Elarson

The 20 up 15 tq claim. Did they post dynos or anything? I am just skeptical until I see numbers. IMHO 599 is worth it if that claim is true.

Chris
01-30-2013 10:52 AM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by Ltblue

I have no idea what you are talking about I will be using it for essences.
Lol
01-30-2013 10:00 AM
Ltblue
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Originally Posted by COStrider View Post
It's the load that's gonna set you back not initial investment. Ha ha
I have no idea what you are talking about I will be using it for essences.
01-30-2013 09:40 AM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by Ltblue

Damn. I just spent $669 on a Volcano digital vaporizer.. Oh well, guess it'll be on the wish list.
It's the load that's gonna set you back not initial investment. Ha ha
01-30-2013 09:36 AM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by Elarson

Sorry man..I think I need a forum break. Sometimes it just feels like you post the simplest thing and it turns into a debate on the pros or the cons or gets deep into what if's and hypotheticals instead of just sharing info and having fun...long day. Didn't mean to point.
There is a fine line between sharing info/discussing AND seemingly attacking the OP or other comments. I've yet to find that line, whether posting or replying (its highly subjective due to text not conveying tone and human interpretation and some other variables! LOL
01-30-2013 09:25 AM
Ltblue
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Originally Posted by Elarson View Post
It comes preloaded with multiple tune options (note doing this will void your engine warranty if caught with the tune in and an engine problem).

Diablo is claiming 20hp and 15 trq...based on my personal experiences with my Challenger my gains there were real close to their claims so I would expect the same here. Just as important is the improvemnet to shift points, throttle booster mapping (makes it respond better), improved MPH..etc....

fun isn't cheap...$600 bucks.
Damn. I just spent $669 on a Volcano digital vaporizer.. Oh well, guess it'll be on the wish list.
01-30-2013 09:20 AM
gregaf3 Has anybody tried the hypertech interceptor ? Interceptor - Hypertech

From the looks of it the unit can be removed before dealer visits and leaves not footprint for the dealers to find. Granted you would not get all of the cool locker, sway bar, and shift point stuff.
01-30-2013 02:55 AM
Lusus_Naturae I was just griping about my shift points - I enjoyed everything until I got over 1000 miles, then it changed. The pedal is looser, the response different, shift points are off. The dealer tells me its fine, and it's programmed to do that on break in. I hope this is the answer to the shift point issue I have.
01-29-2013 08:36 PM
Elarson If RIPP ever releases their supercharger for the 3.6L then we'll really void a warranty!!!

01-29-2013 08:20 PM
Elarson
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Originally Posted by JeepHerz View Post
I understand but please don't take a break until AFTER you've tinkered with the Trinity and let us know how it went. Warranty or not- the "save every scintilla of gas to increase MPG by 1.25 percent" Auto shift points on the 3.21s are driving me crazy.
I promise..by this time next week my neighbors will be thinking I'm nuts because I will come and go about 50 times in one day and drive around the neighborhood either crawling like a turtle or blasting around like a rocket.
01-29-2013 08:06 PM
JeepHerz I understand but please don't take a break until AFTER you've tinkered with the Trinity and let us know how it went. Warranty or not- the "save every scintilla of gas to increase MPG by 1.25 percent" Auto shift points on the 3.21s are driving me crazy.
01-29-2013 07:59 PM
Elarson
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
I am not debating, just want people to realize what might be at stake. If the pentastar had a stellar track record I would be all over it but on fortuneately it does not. Hell I bought a 25000 harley and tore it down with in a month as I was not concerned about warranty in the future. On my jeep on the other hand there is too much unknowns for me at this point.
Sorry man..I think I need a forum break. Sometimes it just feels like you post the simplest thing and it turns into a debate on the pros or the cons or gets deep into what if's and hypotheticals instead of just sharing info and having fun...long day. Didn't mean to point.
01-29-2013 07:18 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by Elarson View Post
Dude..why the debate? I said it can void your warranty and to each his own? BTW the companies didn't crack the code...Chrysler finally gave it to them and has even assigned a couple Engineers just to work with the aftermarket guys. You can find links to the press release and news stories a couple months back...it was done directly by Ralph Gilles. They had made the decision to lock it down and it had a HUGE impact on sales of the sports based cars and the customers were screaming...I was one of them and mentioned it directly to Ralph Gilles when the 392 Charger was released to the media at the Chrysler museum in Pontiac. My car was there and featured on the front steps for the event. Guess what..they figured out that people were backing off Challengers, Chargers, and 300's cause it was easier to go to a Camaro or Mustang where GM and FORD actively support the aftermarket companies including the tuners. These companies exist ONLY because they sell millions of these things a year and I bet the percentage and thus the risk of failures caused by the tuners and owners getting hosed because of it is unbelievably low. Hell I bet it's less than guys getting hosed over issues caused by lifts, tires, etc!!!

Your choice, your risk....costs money to play. If this risk made you shy away from a lift or oversized tires or other stuff then this isn't something that would interest you. If you are prepared to deal with the POTENTIAL risk then this is more fun to be had...
I am not debating, just want people to realize what might be at stake. If the pentastar had a stellar track record I would be all over it but on fortuneately it does not. Hell I bought a 25000 harley and tore it down with in a month as I was not concerned about warranty in the future. On my jeep on the other hand there is too much unknowns for me at this point.
01-29-2013 06:37 PM
Elarson
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
I would be very suprised if the areas of the ecm that are changed that affects the tune it could not be detected. If the tune is changed and a foot print is left behind warranty will be denied. I doubt a dealership is going to risk getting hammered by Chrysler for the profit they make on 10 new cars in two years. I am guessing if you bought 10 cars from them in 2 years they are giving you a good deal thus making slim profits. If a dealer gets caught scamming on warranty work Chrysler can stop paying them for warranty work. I figure if it took tuners 3 years to crack the code then Chrysler probably is one step on the tuners and very likely that a footprint will be left behind.
Dude..why the debate? I said it can void your warranty and to each his own? BTW the companies didn't crack the code...Chrysler finally gave it to them and has even assigned a couple Engineers just to work with the aftermarket guys. You can find links to the press release and news stories a couple months back...it was done directly by Ralph Gilles. They had made the decision to lock it down and it had a HUGE impact on sales of the sports based cars and the customers were screaming...I was one of them and mentioned it directly to Ralph Gilles when the 392 Charger was released to the media at the Chrysler museum in Pontiac. My car was there and featured on the front steps for the event. Guess what..they figured out that people were backing off Challengers, Chargers, and 300's cause it was easier to go to a Camaro or Mustang where GM and FORD actively support the aftermarket companies including the tuners. These companies exist ONLY because they sell millions of these things a year and I bet the percentage and thus the risk of failures caused by the tuners and owners getting hosed because of it is unbelievably low. Hell I bet it's less than guys getting hosed over issues caused by lifts, tires, etc!!!

Your choice, your risk....costs money to play. If this risk made you shy away from a lift or oversized tires or other stuff then this isn't something that would interest you. If you are prepared to deal with the POTENTIAL risk then this is more fun to be had...
01-29-2013 06:10 PM
Blackpearl14 Does anybody know of anyone who had their warranty voided because of having a tune that was found out after flashing it back to stock. I have read countless threads via mustang and charger forums and have yet to find one. My father has had a diablo on his charger for 5 years and loves it. I heard of one guy who forgot to flash it back to stock though and the dealer flagged his car.
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