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06-14-2014 10:45 AM
Ben133
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Originally Posted by OhSixTJ View Post
They should be closer to white than blue. Especially at 55w.
Ok thanks
06-13-2014 01:01 PM
OhSixTJ
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Originally Posted by Ben133 View Post
I am looking at the 55watt 5000k kid and I have the e codes with some sylvania zxe bulbs now and looking for a brighter upgrade. So with the higher wattage they will still be white? I don't want any blue, I want a bright white. Pictures appreciated
They should be closer to white than blue. Especially at 55w.
06-13-2014 09:39 AM
Ben133 I am looking at the 55watt 5000k kid and I have the e codes with some sylvania zxe bulbs now and looking for a brighter upgrade. So with the higher wattage they will still be white? I don't want any blue, I want a bright white. Pictures appreciated
07-05-2013 11:46 PM
InvertChaos Ordered my JK housings today, the retrofit kit tomorrow. I'll put up a build thread as things progress.
06-28-2013 10:04 AM
caryt Here is someone that makes them..https://www.facebook.com/pages/HIDpr...19823161399201
05-21-2013 04:31 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by GlobalResponder View Post
Okay, after reading this entire post. Is there a quality HID projector that can adequately be used with these HID retrofits? That would seem like a logical solution to the HID glare from a Halogen projector wouldn't it?
One afterthought too, what about those Brow rings? Would that help keep some of the light from scattering high into people's rear window?
As well, nobody ever discusses the fact that simply putting a suspension lift on your Jeep changes your whole lighting as well.
I read through the Quadratec Headlamp adjustment page, but it's not clear just how high the headlamp beam should be from the ground? Am I misunderstanding something? Shouldn't there be a specific height the beams should be at when you're backed up 25' form the wall as the instructions state?

Thanks in advance for your input.
I've been doing some research and this is my plan for a safe and awesome hid projector retrofit:

Morimoto Mini h1 kit from theretrofitsource.com should come with every piece needed for the projectors needed

Either hella housings, eBay housings, or jk housings with a metal or plastic back.

Cut the back of the housing open and fit the projector and replace the wiring from the light back.
05-19-2013 12:57 PM
GlobalResponder Okay, after reading this entire post. Is there a quality HID projector that can adequately be used with these HID retrofits? That would seem like a logical solution to the HID glare from a Halogen projector wouldn't it?
One afterthought too, what about those Brow rings? Would that help keep some of the light from scattering high into people's rear window?
As well, nobody ever discusses the fact that simply putting a suspension lift on your Jeep changes your whole lighting as well.
I read through the Quadratec Headlamp adjustment page, but it's not clear just how high the headlamp beam should be from the ground? Am I misunderstanding something? Shouldn't there be a specific height the beams should be at when you're backed up 25' form the wall as the instructions state?

Thanks in advance for your input.
05-19-2013 12:23 PM
GlobalResponder
DDM is located in Vegas

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Originally Posted by viperx6x9x View Post
This is interesting. I thought DDM was in california, but the tracking in usps says it is coming from Suzhou China. I passed up a less expensive Japanese HID kit on Ebay because I thought I was buying USA made here.

oh well.
DDM is actually located in Las Vegas. But you're right about something, they're not American made. It's a Chinese product, but packaged and distributed here in the U.S.
04-24-2013 09:35 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by InvisiblePants View Post

You sir and OhsixTJ are correct . I wish more people actually knew what they were talking about with hids vs halogens. Glare from hids in halogen housing sucks.

No matter how hard people try to aim their lights, they will never be able to control all of the scattered light from the hid arc.

The only true way to do it is a proper projector retrofit with projectors designed for hid use. I did a retro on my old lancer bc the glare in the reflector housing was out of control. I learned many things doing that retro, the biggest lesson was to leave hids alone. I spent countless hours on the hidplanet forums researching before i made the jump. It was fun, but i will not undertake the project again.
I'm planning on doing a projector retrofit this summer. My friend did a very, very professional job with his retrofit in his civic. It has a really sharp cut off line and they're really bright. The jeep should be easier.
04-24-2013 07:59 AM
crawlin_archer Yes it is quite crazy the amount of misinformation out there about HID lighting. And a true projector retrofit is the only way to go with HIDs. I am on HIDPlanet a good bit & I got a lot of my info from there on how to do retrofits. It's not a simple process & quality HID kits don't sell for $45 either.
04-22-2013 03:23 AM
InvisiblePants
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Originally Posted by crawlin_archer View Post
No matter what you do, you can not aim a reflector housing with an HID bulb to keep it from glaring like crazy. And the reference to the filament is mainly the reason why. And halogen bulbs & HID bulbs do not emit in the same way or direction. A halogen bulb has a tubeular straight light source, while an HID capsule has a plasma arc. So there is now way to aim an arc light source in a halogen reflector housing. And many halogen bulbs have a filament that is sideways inside the glass, while a HID is longways.
Here's a paragraph from the Daniel Stern Lighting website on HIDs in reflector housings to give you an idea.

Heres the website for more info on lighting. Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply Really good reading if you truely have an open mind on the subject of lighting. It should open your eyes to what good lighting is & why.
You sir and OhsixTJ are correct . I wish more people actually knew what they were talking about with hids vs halogens. Glare from hids in halogen housing sucks.

No matter how hard people try to aim their lights, they will never be able to control all of the scattered light from the hid arc.

The only true way to do it is a proper projector retrofit with projectors designed for hid use. I did a retro on my old lancer bc the glare in the reflector housing was out of control. I learned many things doing that retro, the biggest lesson was to leave hids alone. I spent countless hours on the hidplanet forums researching before i made the jump. It was fun, but i will not undertake the project again.
04-15-2013 01:21 AM
crawlin_archer
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Originally Posted by viperx6x9x View Post
It's fine now that one of them isn't always on high beam. Thats why people were flashing me. I would flash somebody with a high beam in my face too, even if it was the useless factory bulbs pointed at me.

They are not called H4 housings because the reflector is made for an H4 bulb only (it's a generic circle, there's only 1 way to reflect light), they are called H4 because they are made for an H4 bulb specifically to fit into them. H4 E-code housings are not DOT legal no matter what bulb you put in them, we are all starting off illegal before we even put a bulb in it. The reflectors are designed to take light projected outwards from the circumference of a bulb and reflect it forward. Both Halogens and HID's emit light in this way, along with any other bulb that is straight and tube shaped. Only difference is HID's are brighter and they last longer. You can still get just as much glare out of higher wattage halogen bulbs such as the IPF Fatboys for an example. Don't be so quick to judge the glare on HID's, it could just as easily be a halogen blinding you.

You just have to aim the things right, and most modern cars don't give you the ability to aim them. All those little civics and such running around with HID bulbs that they cannot aim correctly are what is giving HID bulbs a bad name. The fortunate thing about a TJ is you CAN aim them correctly.
No matter what you do, you can not aim a reflector housing with an HID bulb to keep it from glaring like crazy. And the reference to the filament is mainly the reason why. And halogen bulbs & HID bulbs do not emit in the same way or direction. A halogen bulb has a tubeular straight light source, while an HID capsule has a plasma arc. So there is now way to aim an arc light source in a halogen reflector housing. And many halogen bulbs have a filament that is sideways inside the glass, while a HID is longways.
Here's a paragraph from the Daniel Stern Lighting website on HIDs in reflector housings to give you an idea.
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The most dangerous part of the attempt to "retrofit" Xenon headlamps is that sometimes you get a deceptive and illusory "improvement" in the performance of the headlamp. The performance of the headlamp is perceived to be "better" because of the much higher level of foreground lighting (on the road immediately in front of the car). However, the beam patterns produced by this kind of "conversion" virtually always give less distance light, and often an alarming lack of light where there's meant to be a relative maximum in light intensity. The result is the illusion that you can see better than you actually can, and that's not safe.
Heres the website for more info on lighting. Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply Really good reading if you truely have an open mind on the subject of lighting. It should open your eyes to what good lighting is & why.
04-14-2013 07:37 PM
OhSixTJ
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Originally Posted by viperx6x9x View Post
There is no filament in an HID.
Ok, the location of the light source. You and everyone else know what I meant. Move along.
04-14-2013 06:29 PM
viperx6x9x There is no filament in an HID.
04-14-2013 06:15 PM
OhSixTJ Compare the filament location between hid and regular bulbs. They're not in the same spot so the reflector doesn't aim the light the same way. THAT is the difference that makes them annoying.
04-14-2013 04:46 PM
viperx6x9x It's fine now that one of them isn't always on high beam. Thats why people were flashing me. I would flash somebody with a high beam in my face too, even if it was the useless factory bulbs pointed at me.

They are not called H4 housings because the reflector is made for an H4 bulb only (it's a generic circle, there's only 1 way to reflect light), they are called H4 because they are made for an H4 bulb specifically to fit into them. H4 E-code housings are not DOT legal no matter what bulb you put in them, we are all starting off illegal before we even put a bulb in it. The reflectors are designed to take light projected outwards from the circumference of a bulb and reflect it forward. Both Halogens and HID's emit light in this way, along with any other bulb that is straight and tube shaped. Only difference is HID's are brighter and they last longer. You can still get just as much glare out of higher wattage halogen bulbs such as the IPF Fatboys for an example. Don't be so quick to judge the glare on HID's, it could just as easily be a halogen blinding you.

You just have to aim the things right, and most modern cars don't give you the ability to aim them. All those little civics and such running around with HID bulbs that they cannot aim correctly are what is giving HID bulbs a bad name. The fortunate thing about a TJ is you CAN aim them correctly.
04-14-2013 04:15 AM
KaiserJeep You simply cannot successfully convert a Halogen reflector to use HID bulbs. It does not provide safe and legal light. It does dazzle oncoming drivers.

Do the rest of us a favor - use H4 haloben bulbs in halogen reflectors. Please.
04-13-2013 11:33 PM
OhSixTJ
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Originally Posted by viperx6x9x View Post
Some light shots, for comparison mine are the 6000k 55w.

So just for reference, the house is roughly 30 feet from the driveway. And headlight shots were standing on porch so those are roughly 30 feet too.

Maybe my stocks were just that bad, but the new ones are an amazing difference, you couldn't even see the house in the before shots.
The reason you can see more of the house is because its being lit up from the glare of the HIDs because they are in a housing/lens that was not made for HIDs. This is also why you are being flashed by oncoming vehicles. The glare produced by HIDs in non-HID specific headlight housings is annoying.
03-25-2013 12:26 PM
viperx6x9x Well heres some more pics then. Or at least one to show why my lights weren't working right. Figured it out finally.

If you notice the blue bar in the pic is 180 degrees difference in the 2 bulbs. The one on the left (my passenger side bulb) was doing the opposite of the position my hi/lo beam switch was in.

There are 2 screws in the front. Take them out and flip the housing around so it is oriented like the bulb on the right. BE CAREFULL NOT TO TOUCH THE BULB WITH YOUR BARE HAND. somehow when the housing is flipped 180 degrees out like mine was it reverses the polarity of the magnet or something.

Also for clarification mine is a hi/lo 55w kit from DDM.

So if anybody else has HID's that the HI/Lo beams act opposite of the position your headlight switch is in, this is why. The magnet is somehow flipped 180 degrees.
03-13-2013 11:21 PM
InvertChaos This thread needs more pics
03-05-2013 02:05 PM
viperx6x9x would it make a difference if i flipped the harness around and plugged into the harness on the driver side? I can always extend the hotwire back to the battery if this is the case.

Also I didn't see any identifying marks, do the ballasts have to go on a particular side? They look identical to me.
03-04-2013 02:12 PM
viperx6x9x So this is interesting. Is it possible to accidentally install the DDM kit so that the polarity of the bulb gets reversed?

It is almost if the high beam is on, on one side. And the low beam is on, on the other. I got them leveled out with low beam switch on the jeep. But when I switch to hi beam driver side beam goes up, and passenger side goes down.

Also before i started adjusting them in the first place. driver side was aimed fairly straight vertically, while passenger side was way up in the air.

Now after adjusting the passenger side down to level, you can see the housing is tilted way down while the driver side still sits pretty flush.
03-02-2013 11:10 AM
viperx6x9x So i read the quadratec article on how to aim the headlights and I don't have a suitable area available at the moment to do this. I have a garage to shine them on, but I only have enough flat surface to back about 5 feet away from it. Crappy driveway design.

I know my lights are aimed too high because I keep getting flashed driving to work this morning. Funny thing is (sarcasm) the sun was already coming up and I am still bilnding people with the low beams. I personally hate staring into bright ass lights while driving, so I want to aim them down so I am not doing it to others. Also don't want to draw undue attention from police, these things are a lot brighter than I expected them to be.

which adjustment screws should I turn and what direction to make the things aim down for now till I can find a better space to adjust them in. Just a basic adjustment to get them out of other drivers faces is all I want for now, I can adjust the horizontal and level them out later.
03-01-2013 01:56 PM
viperx6x9x thanks, In the meantime I will poke around and see if I can't find a better location. The spots I found work but they won't be laying flat, more of a vertical position so vibrations might be able to shake em loose eventually.
02-28-2013 11:54 PM
EMTJEEP When I get my jeep back I will take some shots of my wiring and setup. That is if no one else chimes in before me.
02-28-2013 06:03 PM
viperx6x9x Some light shots, for comparison mine are the 6000k 55w.

So just for reference, the house is roughly 30 feet from the driveway. And headlight shots were standing on porch so those are roughly 30 feet too.

Maybe my stocks were just that bad, but the new ones are an amazing difference, you couldn't even see the house in the before shots.
02-28-2013 03:27 PM
viperx6x9x Any suggestions on better places to mount the parts would be appreciated. I just zip tied the ballasts where I could find a spot temporarily till I can get the tape, but am thinking of taping one to the washer fluid res, and the other to the airbox. Best places I can see at the moment. They came with some mounting brackets, but I can't see an area big enough to bolt them down anywhere.

I have to go aim the lights later anyway so I will post some shots of the lights later.
02-28-2013 03:19 PM
viperx6x9x And last thing I have for now. The bulb is different than the one in OP's post. Maybe it is a different model or something but it doesn't have that huge black piece on the back, and the heat shield only covers some of the side, not the front. Also I got the hi/lo kit, I thought they both used the same bulb but maybe not.

Anyway, when feeding this one through the rubber boot I was able to feed the connectors through first and push it through that way. Still had to cut a ring around the top of the boot to make a hole, but cutting slits in the side wasn't necessary on mine.

I am guessing he had to feed his in bulb first because of that big black piece on the bulb?
02-28-2013 03:11 PM
viperx6x9x Whatever the little box is on the harness, where the red power wire connects to, found a spot between the air box and fuse box to tuck it in for now. I am going to end up re running the power wire and tucking it under that tube. Just gotta go find some double sided tape to secure it. Autozone maybe?
02-28-2013 03:07 PM
viperx6x9x Finally found the zip tie's. Only spot I could find to run the main harness wire to driver side was across the top in front of the radiator.
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