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03-03-2013 06:13 PM
saf98tj
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
Ha me too, my TJ keeps me from getting speeding tickets. I only have to worry about my tire coverage but carry insta-mount rear mud flaps I fabricated in case I ever get stopped.
Any pics of the insta mount flaps?
03-03-2013 05:23 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by s14sh3r View Post
These days I don't speed, either. Especially with the lousy mileage my Jeep gets.
Ha me too, my TJ keeps me from getting speeding tickets. I only have to worry about my tire coverage but carry insta-mount rear mud flaps I fabricated in case I ever get stopped.
03-03-2013 05:16 PM
s14sh3r
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
X2 on all that right there, that was some of the most astute advice given in this thread. For those mature enough to use and accept it, it works. For those too immature to see and understand the wisdom in it, well I guess there are tickets in your future.
Attitude is everything. It's why I've only had one speeding ticket in my life and that was over 25 years ago. I'm respectful and I own up to my mistake.

"Do you know why I stopped you?"
"I'm guessing because I was driving too fast"
"Do you know how fast you were going?"
"No sir, but it was faster than I should have been going"

It makes a difference. These days I don't speed, either. Especially with the lousy mileage my Jeep gets.
03-03-2013 05:00 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by pcwolf View Post
Over ten years federal at-sea law enforcement boardings and I can *guarantee* you that attitude means the difference between a forty-minute "courteous inspection" and a three-hour "this is going to take a while" detailed sweep.

Now I am a retired graybeard nobody and I make a practise out of addressing LEOs by title in order to show I know both the rank and respect their office deserves: "Afternoon, Deputy" ... "Thank you, Trooper" ... "I'm sorry, I did not realize my plates had expired, Officer" Forty years of driving, more stops than I can count, ONE citation after radar caught my inattention of 57 in a 35 (reduced to under 10 miles over on the ticket, which kept it out of the "Wreckless Driving and Many Points and Huge Insurance Premium Zone")

Cops have a MILLION more crimes they want to pursue, and routine traffic stops are the LAST thing they want to take their day off to prosecute in court. They'll take the time to deliver a lesson to a bonehead behind the wheel, but the paperwork to make a case out of it is bone-crushing and they just wish you would accept the education and move along. YMMV

As someone said above - argue in court, not on the road!
X2 on all that right there, that was some of the most astute advice given in this thread. For those mature enough to use and accept it, it works. For those too immature to see and understand the wisdom in it, well I guess there are tickets in your future.
03-03-2013 04:45 PM
pcwolf Over ten years federal at-sea law enforcement boardings and I can *guarantee* you that attitude means the difference between a forty-minute "courteous inspection" and a three-hour "this is going to take a while" detailed sweep.

Now I am a retired graybeard nobody and I make a practise out of addressing LEOs by title in order to show I know both the rank and respect their office deserves: "Afternoon, Deputy" ... "Thank you, Trooper" ... "I'm sorry, I did not realize my plates had expired, Officer" Forty years of driving, more stops than I can count, ONE citation after radar caught my inattention of 57 in a 35 (reduced to under 10 miles over on the ticket, which kept it out of the "Wreckless Driving and Many Points and Huge Insurance Premium Zone")

Cops have a MILLION more crimes they want to pursue, and routine traffic stops are the LAST thing they want to take their day off to prosecute in court. They'll take the time to deliver a lesson to a bonehead behind the wheel, but the paperwork to make a case out of it is bone-crushing and they just wish you would accept the education and move along. YMMV

As someone said above - argue in court, not on the road!
03-03-2013 04:43 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by tkfx View Post
So what do you guys suggest I do if he tickets me for having my fog lights on? He said next time he sees me with them on he will give me a ticket.
Trick question right? Uh, maybe don't drive around on campus with your fog lights on? Use that other position on your fog light on/off switch?
03-03-2013 04:36 PM
tkfx So what do you guys suggest I do if he tickets me for having my fog lights on? He said next time he sees me with them on he will give me a ticket.
03-03-2013 03:49 PM
Jeffreybomb
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Originally Posted by crazykosmo View Post
The "file a formal complaint" and donut jokes for not even a formal warning but a conversation are truly ignorant.
I would love to be a fly on the wall when someone walks into a cop shop to make a formal complaint about receiving less than a warning.

We need more level-headed folks like you, kosmo.
03-03-2013 01:36 PM
crazykosmo I've been trying my hand at being the popo for about 6.5 years now. I've found a distinct pattern, and this thread only confirms my theory.

Warning = complaint
Ticket = no complaint

Most of my formal complaints came from traffic stops where I cut someone a break and wrote them a warning, didn't tow their ride, or as in this case even just rolled down my window and talked to them like a big boy. My theory is that a simple warning doesn't give someone the chance to argue their case. Since they don't get that chance, they feel the need to vent their side of the story to someone. In most cases the only direction the person feels they can go is with a formal complaint, which doesn't make any sense. In this case the OP turned to fellow Jeepers, and most likely took no further action once he saw a few other reasonable person's responses.

If I write someone a ticket and tow their car, they're mad but they're issued a court date where they plan to put up a dramatic and convincing defense. That court date is approximately 1 month after the offense. In reality, 95% or more never show up in court or just pay the ticket and move on. I think once people calm down and vent their side of the story to a few reasonable people, realize they weren't as violated as they felt at the time, they no longer feel the need to go to court and plead their case...hence not showing up in court or just paying the ticket.

In the end...the dude simply spoke to you and informed you that your lights blinded him. The "file a formal complaint" and donut jokes for not even a formal warning but a conversation are truly ignorant. So next time you get a ticket instead of a warning, thank those types of people! Just my $0.02
03-02-2013 11:35 PM
CowboySnR
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Originally Posted by Patrick H View Post

This is the TJ technical section of the forum. There is an off-topic section.

Not that spraying plasti-dip on your dash board or whatever is a technical subject.
Not to sound a Dck but there is a thread "you know you drive a jeep when..." in here and its not tech related.
03-02-2013 11:29 PM
Patrick H
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
Why? for the most part has been light hearted and cordial and has generated well over 100 responses and a couple thousand views. Cool thing about any thread is one never has to view it if they don't want to.
This is the TJ technical section of the forum. There is an off-topic section.

Not that spraying plasti-dip on your dash board or whatever is a technical subject.
03-02-2013 11:26 PM
00tj2
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Originally Posted by tkfx View Post
As long as we aren't flaming or trolling then there shouldnt be a problem. Its a topic away from the everyday posts.

Just to clear things up, I messed up on the title, I didn't think much about ehen i was writing it but now, as someone stated in here, it paints with a broad stroke. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone because of it.
I think that you have cleared things up after your initial post. While the original title was a little off you have explained yourself and taken criticism in stide and have seemed to come away with a better outlook and understanding. I commend you on your continuation of your studies and for taking this post as a learning experience. Keep on keeping my friend.
03-02-2013 11:21 PM
tkfx
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Originally Posted by cctriesch View Post
This thread sucks! Mods please close it down.
As long as we aren't flaming or trolling then there shouldnt be a problem. Its a topic away from the everyday posts.

Just to clear things up, I messed up on the title, I didn't think much about ehen i was writing it but now, as someone stated in here, it paints with a broad stroke. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone because of it.
03-02-2013 09:49 PM
Orange Krusher Mmmmm........donuts!!!!!!!
03-02-2013 08:33 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by cctriesch View Post
This thread sucks! Mods please close it down.
Why? for the most part has been light hearted and cordial and has generated well over 100 responses and a couple thousand views. Cool thing about any thread is one never has to view it if they don't want to.
03-02-2013 06:42 PM
cctriesch This thread sucks! Mods please close it down.
03-02-2013 06:39 PM
Jeffreybomb
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Originally Posted by 907farmer View Post
Those who don't are sheep and will be lead around on a collar. You should ALWAYS question authority! But again be respectful.
... Again, over fog lights?

If getting out of a traffic stop and potential ticket means flicking a switch off, I'd rather do that than tussle over something so incredibly silly.

Pick your battles. Call me a "sheep" if you will, but this one ain't worth fighting.
03-02-2013 05:59 PM
InvisiblePants
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Originally Posted by s14sh3r View Post
Haha, I was (mostly) kidding about the donuts. I mean, who doesn't like Krispy Kremes?
mmmmmm.. ..very few things compare to hot fresh Krispy Kremes. I'm gonna have to take a drive now.
03-02-2013 05:43 PM
s14sh3r
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
I always get a kick out of the doughnut jokes. I have run 9 marathons including Boston pr is 2:48 slowest is 3:00:05, work out every day and run 40-50 miles a week and l still get fat over weight pimple faced kids who think doughnut jokes are still funny. Last time I heard one I looked at the over weight woman and said "I bet you eat more doughnuts then I do"
We were in the food line I had a salad and she had a big piece of cake on her tray. The checker simply said "touche"
Haha, I was (mostly) kidding about the donuts. I mean, who doesn't like Krispy Kremes?
03-02-2013 05:36 PM
907farmer I have a huge problem with everyone saying just take it. The hell with that, I can question authority as long as I'm respectful. Those who don't are sheep and will be lead around on a collar. You should ALWAYS question authority! But again be respectful.
03-02-2013 04:24 PM
Big Sarge
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Originally Posted by Jiffydarren View Post

Because like all government employees, they don't read any of the laws they enforce.

This is especially prevalent with politicians.
All government employees??
03-02-2013 04:15 PM
G.A. Heath I have a large number of friends in Law Enforcement, and you know what? Their Human. Humans can not know every law, nor can they reasonably be expected to. In fact lawyers don't even know the law by heart, they have paralegals to look it up and law books (as well as the internet) so they can look it up in. On top of that you have two types of law with the first being codified law which is what your legislatures make. An example of codified law would be the penalty for speeding. Secondly you have what is called case law which is how the courts interpret the law. An example of case law would be the Miranda Warning.

What officers are trained to know in most cases are general provisions and how to look up what the law is specifically. For common violations (Speeding, domestic violence, ect.) they do get to know the law very well. If the officer has specialized duties such as Narcotics Enforcement then they get to know that particular area of law very well. I would like to point out that the side of the road or in the parking lot is not the place to argue the law, there a place made specifically for that function and its called court.
03-02-2013 04:13 PM
SgtVein
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Originally Posted by jcoon10 View Post

well it only took to the end of page 1 to hear the words "probable cause"!!!!! Wendy - tj ---just a fyi, an officer doesn't have to have pc to stop you, they just need reasonable suspicion.
You must be in that same math class with the ignorant oper in saying that "all cops are ignorant".
I am glad to say that i've read all these posts and am pleasantly surprised to hear that almost all of you know how hard the police have it.

Hey wendy and op maybe if the time ever comes that you need the police for an emergency you can't handle then hopefully you've changed your view slightly about the them.

Jerry - at least this post was a small break from the "hey i'm new here what kind of lift kit should i buy?" posts. Lol
^^
x2!!
03-02-2013 04:00 PM
jcoon10
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Originally Posted by Wendy-TJ
You need to contact his department, and make a formal complaint. The department maybe completely unaware that he is harassing the public. A police officer cannot stop anyone for just pleasure, they have to have probable cause. Seriously make a complaint either by phone or in person.
Well it only took to the end of page 1 to hear the words "probable cause"!!!!! Wendy - TJ ---just a FYI, an officer doesn't have to have PC to stop you, they just need reasonable suspicion.
You must be in that same math class with the Ignorant OPer in saying that "all cops are ignorant".
I am glad to say that I've read all these posts and am pleasantly surprised to hear that almost all of you know how hard the police have it.

Hey Wendy and OP maybe if the time ever comes that you need the police for an emergency you can't handle then hopefully you've changed your view slightly about the them.

Jerry - at least this post was a small break from the "hey I'm new here what kind of lift kit should I buy?" Posts. Lol
03-02-2013 03:39 PM
InvisiblePants
Re: Why are cops so Ignorant?

the Campus Cop, may have been overreacting, your lights may have been aimed wrong or just reflecting and caught his eyes wrong. When I have a migraine I am super sensitive to any light... That's not the point. I worked for 12 years in the middle of a big college campus and I can tell you that these guys have a tough job. You try dealing with people that think they know everything about everything and do it every day. College students are bastards for the most part, they think that bc they are away from mom and dad that they are the kings or queens of the world. It gets really old really fast when punks think they know more about everything than you and feel the need to tell you. Even though they are dead wrong.

For those blaming liberals, this has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative. It is a failure of parents to actually parent and instill respect for others. And from my experience the more money the kid came from the more entitled they feel. But at the end of the day it's the parents that don't actually discipline their children, that make the biggest bastards.

I SUPPORT CHILD LEASH LAWS.
03-02-2013 03:03 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by s14sh3r View Post
Take him a box of Krispy Kremes and say "I'm sorry if I came across as an ass the other night. No hard feelings?".
I always get a kick out of the doughnut jokes. I have run 9 marathons including Boston pr is 2:48 slowest is 3:00:05, work out every day and run 40-50 miles a week and l still get fat over weight pimple faced kids who think doughnut jokes are still funny. Last time I heard one I looked at the over weight woman and said "I bet you eat more doughnuts then I do"
We were in the food line I had a salad and she had a big piece of cake on her tray. The checker simply said "touche"
03-02-2013 02:57 PM
Jerry Bransford Hasn't this thread long-outlived what should have been an extremely short life? Moderators? Come awnnnn....
03-02-2013 02:37 PM
Jiffydarren
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Originally Posted by tkfx View Post
Why are cops so ignorant?
Because like all government employees, they don't read any of the laws they enforce.

This is especially prevalent with politicians.
03-02-2013 12:11 PM
viperx6x9x Or another option, maybe your lights got tweaked somehow and they really were out of allignment. Maybe some mounting hardware worked it's way loose and road/off-road vibrations readjusted your lights for you.

I just installed some new headlights on mine. To look at the beams on the ground you would think they were aimed down. But then I looked up and a reflective sign on a 3rd floor balcony was glaring back at me, also I got flashed by 3 drivers on the way to work thinking I had my high beams on. I am not sure how the laws of physics allow for this but bottom line, my headlights are not adjusted like i thought they were and I need to fix it before I get pulled over.
03-02-2013 12:03 PM
s14sh3r Take him a box of Krispy Kremes and say "I'm sorry if I came across as an ass the other night. No hard feelings?".
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