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10-13-2014 12:40 PM
TheWorstKind I am in Virginia Beach. It looks like I have two, maybe three convenient choices: Hall, Southern, and, perhaps, Starr out in Suffolk.

Anybody have any input?
09-18-2014 10:36 AM
BareBones13 Update here, Farrish was a pleasure to work with over the 5.5 weeks it took from order to pickup. They had a good price but matched the better priced offered by Koons. I worked with David R and he didn't mind me bugging him a couple times a week about where I was at in the build (did the VOTS hack as well so I only emailed him once when it hit KZ). Always responsive to emails and as a fellow jeep owner explained a few things before I drove off the lot.

I'd go back there in a second.
09-16-2014 05:17 PM
SIGZ
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Originally Posted by CJChet View Post
Starr Motors in Suffolk. Great, knowledgable people, an AEV dealer, and they even have their own on-site off-road course!
STARR MOTORS IS A DEFINITE 10 IN MY BOOKS. Plus their Auto shop is tops in Off road knowledge.
08-07-2014 12:37 PM
BareBones13
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Originally Posted by mikeJKUR View Post
Check out Koons. They are upfront with everything. That wow price they show on line is the price you pay. No games. I did almost they complete deal by email.

I got a great price from Koons, however it was like pulling teeth to get it. Initial email got a quick response from Tom, but the sales guy he passed me off to blew me off time and time again (5 calls or so) and only finally gave me a price when I said I was placing my order the following day.

Now I cut them a little slack because my 1st email was on 7/28 and I'm sure end of month comes before custom builds with way less profit, but when it spills 4-5 days into the new month....

Got Farrish to match so
08-07-2014 12:33 PM
BareBones13
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Originally Posted by rutoehead View Post
Congrat's Bones!

Awesome color choice.

Mine only took 4.5 weeks from order to arriving in my driveway.

That would be "Effing Awesome" as the smiley face guy says


I'm just hoping its a day less than 8 weeks, as that would be Sept 29 and I could use my "golden ticket" to get another $500 off!!
08-05-2014 09:31 PM
rutoehead
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Originally Posted by BareBones13 View Post
Putting in my Anvil Willys order tonight! Can't wait to....WAIT!! haha, I'm going to do my best to not even look at anything until September but the chances of that are slim.
Congrat's Bones!

Awesome color choice.

Mine only took 4.5 weeks from order to arriving in my driveway.
08-05-2014 03:32 PM
BareBones13 Putting in my Anvil Willys order tonight! Can't wait to....WAIT!! haha, I'm going to do my best to not even look at anything until September but the chances of that are slim.
07-22-2014 09:06 AM
kawa001
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Originally Posted by BareBones13 View Post
Not really, this particular model had every option I wanted so I figured it was good to drive it, make sure I'm not missing something I could get. The price was good (too good to be true it turned out) and I would be happy with that rig. Surprisingly there is no other jeep on any lot around here with what I'm looking for:

6spd manual
Premium Soft Top
3.73 rear axle ratio
Heated Seats
Supplemental Air Bags
Connectivity

They did have a silver sport S, but after their shenanigans I don't really want to give them another shot at my business and coming from a silver commuter car kinda wanted something different. White wasn't on my list of "will not buy" and I actually like it with the extra black top.

I don't have funds or needs (yet at least) for the Rubicon, and my max sticker price is realistically around $35K, which should get me out the door close to $32K

Is the suspension really any different on a Sahara as opposed to an Unlimited? I couldn't find a whole lot on this forum about it, but haven't searched hard yet. I do like the Sahara wheels a little better and more than likely will wear out whatever tires come with the new Jeep until buying new rims/tires.

More than likely I will build a '15 Sport S (or maybe Willys depending on what the new wheels look like) and am anxious to see what Tank looks like.
Cool. It pretty much comes down to preference & budget. For me, I couldn't see paying for nice matching, painted fenders since they will probably either get torn off in a battle with a tree or get replaced with aftermarket metal ones (assuming one is going to really wheel). I bought a 2013 Sport JK with a 3.73 limited slip rear diff, an automatic transmission, and the Rubicon KM2 tires. In hindsight, I wish I had bought a Rubicon although at this point my build is way past a stock Rubicon's. Had I bought a Rubicon I probably would have left things alone.
07-21-2014 02:29 PM
mikeJKUR Check out Koons. They are upfront with everything. That wow price they show on line is the price you pay. No games. I did almost they complete deal by email.
07-21-2014 01:40 PM
BareBones13
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Originally Posted by kawa001 View Post
Thanks for posting. Any reason why you are considering a Sahara vs. the Sport or Rubicon?
Not really, this particular model had every option I wanted so I figured it was good to drive it, make sure I'm not missing something I could get. The price was good (too good to be true it turned out) and I would be happy with that rig. Surprisingly there is no other jeep on any lot around here with what I'm looking for:

6spd manual
Premium Soft Top
3.73 rear axle ratio
Heated Seats
Supplemental Air Bags
Connectivity

They did have a silver sport S, but after their shenanigans I don't really want to give them another shot at my business and coming from a silver commuter car kinda wanted something different. White wasn't on my list of "will not buy" and I actually like it with the extra black top.

I don't have funds or needs (yet at least) for the Rubicon, and my max sticker price is realistically around $35K, which should get me out the door close to $32K

Is the suspension really any different on a Sahara as opposed to an Unlimited? I couldn't find a whole lot on this forum about it, but haven't searched hard yet. I do like the Sahara wheels a little better and more than likely will wear out whatever tires come with the new Jeep until buying new rims/tires.

More than likely I will build a '15 Sport S (or maybe Willys depending on what the new wheels look like) and am anxious to see what Tank looks like.
07-21-2014 05:41 AM
kawa001 Thanks for posting. Any reason why you are considering a Sahara vs. the Sport or Rubicon?
07-20-2014 08:26 PM
BareBones13 Had a pretty bad experience with Lindsay Jeep in Manassas this weekend. While I should've known if something sounds too good to be true it probably isn't what it seems. the "Lindsay Love It Price" got me to stop in on my way to Fair Oaks Chantilly to check out a SAhara.

Sticker: $36,185
Lindsay Love it: $29,593

What they mention in some teeny-tiny print is that this doesn't include destination, and then you have to qualify for every incentive/program out there to get it.

Long story short, the finance guy tried to bring out some fake invoice numbers, and when I called him out he didn't have an answer, then went back to his bosses and came back matching what I said saying "oh they didn't realize you had internet price". My invoice included $995 dest, his did not, but we finally ironed out a deal and I agreed. Then as we're signing papers he asks "did you want to finance that $2k deposit or write a check?" When the agreed upon price goes up $2K that's when I walk.
04-18-2014 10:55 AM
TacX
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Originally Posted by RASDOM JKU View Post
+1 on Koons Tysons. I went through the internet sales guy. called their first - no pressure.
Dealer: Koons Jeep (Tysons)
Sales: Richard Slater
Finance: Jimmy Collier

I was very happy with Koons. Both the sales person and the finance manager were both very good to work with. Neither rushed me or used any pressure. I went there for a specific vehicle, but I was treated great. When I went to finance I was presented with all my options. I'm a visual learner, so Jim lending me his computer screen to work through multiple options and look at my financing options was a huge help as well. It actually changed my mind about the deal I went with.

Anyways, can't recommend them enough!
04-18-2014 08:25 AM
keviper1
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Originally Posted by rainmeansmud View Post
Does anyone have any recommendations on a place to buy pre-owned? Or any websites that aren't auto trader, carmax, craigslist? I would really like to buy a Jeep, but I'm afraid the money's limiting us to about $14,000.
Honestly your best deals are going to come from web sites. Cars.com, auto trader, etc. Maybe check eBay motors too. I have friends who have purchased used from all the sites mentioned with success. Or try just looking at non Jeep dealer sites and see if they have a TJ sitting on the lot from a trade. They'll be more willing to get it off the lot ASAP.
04-17-2014 05:29 PM
rainmeansmud Does anyone have any recommendations on a place to buy pre-owned? Or any websites that aren't auto trader, carmax, craigslist? I would really like to buy a Jeep, but I'm afraid the money's limiting us to about $14,000.
04-17-2014 03:13 PM
LowFatBaconWrap I used to sell cars a long time ago. On new cars always ask to see the invoice. Note on the invoice you'll see "HB" or "holdback". That's extra money that all manufactures hide on the invoice to give the dealer a bit more profit. Ask for it.

Also, finance can hold upto 3 points on your apr legally. If you get hit with a 7% rate. Ask for 5%. If they say no then tell them you want to check at another dealership. They'll buckle.

People try to negotiate the cost of the "processing fee". They cant by law because it would open them up to lawsuits to the people they made pay for it even though that money goes straight to the owners pocket. Ask to deduct the price of the car for it.

Buy cars at the last week of the month. Better deals are to be had as the sales managers need to hit their goals. If they dont hit them, they get replaced with managers who can.

they will give you a price after you test drive:
eg: $34,000 + Taxes, Tags, processing fees and freight.
Even though the freight is built into the cost of the jeep (it says so in the window sticker) they will try to double dip on that cost for an additional profit.
04-03-2014 04:18 PM
ltdanyj Great place to sell a lifted jeep to...

I wouldn't buy there though...
03-23-2014 04:11 PM
mikeJKUR
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Originally Posted by DuBoisCantCallIt View Post
I have drove by there and looked around. At those price you could buy new.
03-23-2014 11:02 AM
DuBoisCantCallIt Anyone have any experience with Dealer's Trade in Gainesville? Website here: Dealers Trade Outlet - Area's largest selection of custom Jeep Wranglers and Toyota trucks, Hand picked from private owners
02-20-2014 03:52 PM
keviper1
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Originally Posted by zimm View Post
wow, I didn't realize you could order under invoice... thanks.
You sure can. I just ordered a Willys at 3.5% below invoice. Search the forums, ask questions and you'll figure out the best deal.

USAA is the best for rates, but you can do better on your own in regards to price.
02-20-2014 03:45 PM
Edgeoftroykennels
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post
no offense, because i do not know you and have probably not dealt with you, brown auto in cville is the absolute worst dealership i have ever dealt with ... period! and its not just me, their reputation precedes them. infamous i would say. its why i ordered and bought from safford in fredericksburg. i have even taken it elsewhere for warranty repairs.
I'm sorry you had a bad deal with them, that sucks! I'm not a bad guy so I'll never do you wrong lol.
02-20-2014 09:52 AM
zimm wow, I didn't realize you could order under invoice... thanks.
02-20-2014 09:12 AM
dalearyous zimm, don't look at MSRP. use these forums to find the invoice price and aim for at least 2% below that.

i am local, and used to live in richmond. will check it out.
02-20-2014 09:01 AM
zimm What's a good number to shoot for under MSRP when ordering a new rubicon unlimited or rubicon X? Its amazing that used 2012's are listed for $35,000+ around here. Rather just get a new on for a little more.

I'm military and can use the NFCU or USAA car buying service, but I doubt that's the best deal going.
02-20-2014 08:33 AM
keviper1
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Originally Posted by dalearyous View Post
no offense, because i do not know you and have probably not dealt with you, brown auto in cville is the absolute worst dealership i have ever dealt with ... period! and its not just me, their reputation precedes them. infamous i would say. its why i ordered and bought from safford in fredericksburg. i have even taken it elsewhere for warranty repairs.
Dalearyous - if you're local, check in to our new group, RVA Meetup.

I won't comment on any dealer stuff
02-20-2014 08:01 AM
dalearyous no offense, because i do not know you and have probably not dealt with you, brown auto in cville is the absolute worst dealership i have ever dealt with ... period! and its not just me, their reputation precedes them. infamous i would say.

its why i ordered and bought from safford in fredericksburg. i have even taken it elsewhere for warranty repairs.

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Originally Posted by Edgeoftroykennels View Post
I work for Brown Automotive in Charlottesville, Va and we are a Jeep, Chrysler Dodge dealer. There great people to work with and always look out. I'v seen them buy ya brand vehicle we don't sell to keep a customers an keep them happy.
02-19-2014 10:02 PM
keviper1
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Originally Posted by stevil View Post
Keviper1 - I think you are hitting the main point: The sales associates and various "management" you work with are as much of a factor in a "decent dealership" as the name on the door.

I had a fantastic experience on my 3rd Wrangler through Dulles Chrysler Dodge Jeep in Leesburg. My salesperson was Martha Chicas for a custom order. I'm not sure I would have had as great of an experience had I not worked with her. I referred someone to the dealership and they reported having a HORRIBLE experience (I don't think they worked with Martha... I don't know).

My 2nd Wrangler was purchased from Farrish - I'm neutral on these guys. Got a decent deal. Don't think the salespeople were as knowledgeable as they could have been both for my 2nd purchase and my 3rd.

My 1st Wrangler was from Dulles Jeep 10 years ago.... it was used, I didn't know much about Wranglers, but I had a great experience.

I've also visited Tom @ Koons for the 2nd jeep. I would have purchased from them, but Koons wouldn't give me as good of a deal on my trade in I had at the time, so I went with Farrish. Tom knows his stuff. The only reason I didn't go to them for my 3rd Jeep was Martha beat everyone out on response time AND they are 5 mins from my house (vs 30+ mins to Koons). Had she not given me what I was looking for, Tom @ Koons was my next stop.

I also think Dealerships need to recognize the new business model they must have to deal with us internet types... In many cases all the dealers I've contacted that I WOULDN'T work with are using 90's style sales tactics that frankly just don't work when you have any level of knowledge about the product and the prices that are available via forums like this and other tools. That and being emotionally detached from the buying process.

Agreed! You ever go off-roading in that X of yours? Not sure how far you are from Richmond (I'm new to VA), but I started a club here for people around the Richmond area to do some meet ups. Swing by!
02-19-2014 09:20 PM
Edgeoftroykennels I work for Brown Automotive in Charlottesville, Va and we are a Jeep, Chrysler Dodge dealer. There great people to work with and always look out. I'v seen them buy ya brand vehicle we don't sell to keep a customers an keep them happy.
02-14-2014 09:06 AM
stevil Keviper1 - I think you are hitting the main point: The sales associates and various "management" you work with are as much of a factor in a "decent dealership" as the name on the door.

I had a fantastic experience on my 3rd Wrangler through Dulles Chrysler Dodge Jeep in Leesburg. My salesperson was Martha Chicas for a custom order. I'm not sure I would have had as great of an experience had I not worked with her. I referred someone to the dealership and they reported having a HORRIBLE experience (I don't think they worked with Martha... I don't know).

My 2nd Wrangler was purchased from Farrish - I'm neutral on these guys. Got a decent deal. Don't think the salespeople were as knowledgeable as they could have been both for my 2nd purchase and my 3rd.

My 1st Wrangler was from Dulles Jeep 10 years ago.... it was used, I didn't know much about Wranglers, but I had a great experience.

I've also visited Tom @ Koons for the 2nd jeep. I would have purchased from them, but Koons wouldn't give me as good of a deal on my trade in I had at the time, so I went with Farrish. Tom knows his stuff. The only reason I didn't go to them for my 3rd Jeep was Martha beat everyone out on response time AND they are 5 mins from my house (vs 30+ mins to Koons). Had she not given me what I was looking for, Tom @ Koons was my next stop.

I also think Dealerships need to recognize the new business model they must have to deal with us internet types... In many cases all the dealers I've contacted that I WOULDN'T work with are using 90's style sales tactics that frankly just don't work when you have any level of knowledge about the product and the prices that are available via forums like this and other tools. That and being emotionally detached from the buying process.
02-13-2014 08:29 AM
keviper1 It's funny how everyone can have such different experiences with the same dealers.

This is my breakdown.

Koons (Tom Ames) was outstanding, and really knows Wranglers, and he's a member of this forum.

Stafford - some of the worst customer service I've ever experienced in my life. I'm not joking, I actually had to call their 855 "customer service" number and tell them to stop calling and emailing me. I've heard good things about them, but something must have happened with me for whatever reason.

Pearson - I've purchased 2 cars from them, and I ended up going with them on the Wrangler I ordered. They are right down the street from me, and Doug Williams is a stand up guy, although he doesn't know a ton about Wranglers.

This is something I learned a long time ago when buying cars/trucks/jeeps etc. You need to do research, and understand whatever you're buying more than the person selling you the vehicle. It's sometimes really hard to find dealers that have sales guys that really know their stuff with Wranglers, but if you use forums like this is shouldn't be a problem.

All of this garbage being said, I'm sure 90% of being happy with a dealer is luck. It seems like I had a horrible experience with a group that several people are happy with, and maybe vice versa with Pearson on other people's ends. At the end of the day, if you are happy with your Jeep, that's all that matters!

Enjoy!
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