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03-18-2013 01:47 PM
TJ in GA
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Originally Posted by Lutzkanin View Post
Warn. Save up. Get the vr8000 $480
Warn has a mail-in rebate offer through the end of April...$50 off the VR8000. Also free shipping, so $430 out the door.
03-18-2013 01:15 PM
Lutzkanin Warn. Save up. Get the vr8000 $480
03-18-2013 10:37 AM
Philmycrackin i have the smittybuilt XRC8 used it 3 times since i got it last year. worked fine everytime. i could have gone with the warn,but like some here have said im on a budget and got the XRC8, smitty built rear bumper, 2in BB boost in stead of just a winch. the parts are made in china i guess i didnt look. i also dont check to see what part of the middle east the gas i put into it comes from either.
03-18-2013 10:15 AM
Morris4x4Center
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Originally Posted by david97 View Post
New to the forum...been wheelin' just a bit and decided a winch would be a nice addition since mud has slowed my progress and changed my routes more than I would have liked. Quadratec has a 9,000lb for $300. Harbor Freight has a 12,000lb on sale this week for $300. Either of these worth buying? I understand they are not Warn but I can't afford Warn at the moment.

I have a stock 1997 TJ Sahara. Will I need to buy mounting accessories or will they bolt on easily? I have a 30 foot tow strap. Are there other items that will need to be purchased to make the most out of the winch? Working to upgrade tires, wheels, etc and need to do some work on the very loose front end so I have to do all of this as inexpensively as I can. Experienced death wobble so that is also on my list to take care of ASAP. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us newbies!!!!

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Originally Posted by TJGARMA03 View Post
I agree on not getting a harbor freight also. Shoulda thrown that out there!
Agreed^
Bought a trailer years ago for racing. It came with a Harbor Freight brand winch in it (6 months old). One day we broke an axle and went to use the winch to get the racecar back onto the trailer.. lets just say it didn't work out the way we were hoping.

Rugged Ridge Heavy Duty 10,500 Lb Off Road Winch With Steel Cable 15100.10
^ would be perfect. I don't recommend skimping on winches, it will save you time and money doing it right the first time.
03-04-2013 03:54 PM
Jeep21 I just bought the 12000 lbs winch from HF but still haven't used it. I had to buy a new bumper off eBay because their winch plate wont fit my tj. It should be here by the end of the week. Its a 97' 2.5L. I got the winch for $299 too
03-04-2013 03:29 PM
Shark_13 I'm happy with my (limited) use of the 9K Engo w/synthetic cable. I've only used it 3 times but it worked well.

I would have loved to "buy American" but there were no options in the price point I was looking to spend.

So I based my decision off the winch shootout & the Engo seemed to hold it's own quite well. No complaints so far.
03-04-2013 03:00 PM
TJDave
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Originally Posted by lee indy View Post
what happened to it. i had to rewire my control cable once but it was a 3 second fix.
It would not spool in under a load. I had the solenoid box under the hood with the remote plug, and also hardwired to a winch switch on the dash. It will spool in and out with no load using both controls, but just grinds if there is any load on it. Probably a gear or something? Doesn't matter, it's not my problem anymore.
03-04-2013 01:00 PM
lee indy what happened to it. i had to rewire my control cable once but it was a 3 second fix.
03-04-2013 12:52 PM
CMA_Rider Ive pulled an antique tractor out of a barn thad had been sitting for 15+ years with my Rugged Ridge 8.5k,on the 3rd line out, without so much as a hiccup or it slowing down. $299
03-04-2013 12:44 PM
TJDave
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Originally Posted by lee indy View Post
can i have the broken smitty? there warranty department will send me some parts
I gave it to a friend to put on his XJ. I told him that Smitty has a pretty good warranty dept and, hopefully, it is fixable.

I just didn't want to deal with it, since I found a cheap replacement "W".
03-04-2013 12:35 PM
lee indy
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
Not my situation at all.

It seems to be hit or miss with winch reliability, especially on the cheaper Chinese options.

Many have had great luck with their inexpensive winches, and many have not.
I personally have not had good luck. I have a HF winch that is not working. So, I bought a new Smitty XRC8 and it also failed within 2 years. Luckily, I found a used Warn I bought from a friend that gave him years of zero problems.

Anything mechanical has a chance of failure. A lot has to do with maintenance and upkeep also. I think the reason we see so many "Warn or nothing" comments is because there seems to be fewer failures with that brand. Many in my Jeep club have decades old Warns that have transferred to newer rigs over the years.
can i have the broken smitty? there warranty department will send me some parts
03-04-2013 12:29 PM
rmuller As mentioned above, it's all hit or miss... I've been wheelin' with the same group of guys for about 10 years, ton of silty Pine Barrens water and mud... we have a variety of winches, Warn, Superwinch, Milemarker and a cheap 'Gorilla' one... guess which one has worked the best? The 'Gorilla' one... all of the rest of us have had to rebuild solenoids, replace motors, etc... that Gorilla just doesn't quit. With whatever you get, just remember to keep it clean and maintained, and test it before you go out on your trip. It also never hurts to make sure you have a backup, either a hi-lift jack or a come-a-long.
03-04-2013 12:24 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
Not my situation at all.

It seems to be hit or miss with winch reliability, especially on the cheaper Chinese options.

Many have had great luck with their inexpensive winches, and many have not.
I personally have not had good luck. I have a HF winch that is not working. So, I bought a new Smitty XRC8 and it also failed within 2 years. Luckily, I found a used Warn I bought from a friend that gave him years of zero problems.

Anything mechanical has a chance of failure. A lot has to do with maintenance and upkeep also. I think the reason we see so many "Warn or nothing" comments is because there seems to be fewer failures with that brand. Many in my Jeep club have decades old Warns that have transferred to newer rigs over the years.
People also tend to take better care of a more expensive product. I have no doubt Warn winches are solid winches.
03-04-2013 12:23 PM
GoldenSahara00 If I showed you one of my pulls, actually someone recovering me using the same winch (Engo 9k) you would probably call me nuts for getting in that situation. However we were more worried about recovering me than taking pictures.
03-04-2013 12:14 PM
TJDave
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Originally Posted by lee indy View Post
this saving up for something better tends to be from people who have no experience with the brands being mentioned.
Not my situation at all.

It seems to be hit or miss with winch reliability, especially on the cheaper Chinese options.

Many have had great luck with their inexpensive winches, and many have not.
I personally have not had good luck. I have a HF winch that is not working. So, I bought a new Smitty XRC8 and it also failed within 2 years. Luckily, I found a used Warn I bought from a friend that gave him years of zero problems.

Anything mechanical has a chance of failure. A lot has to do with maintenance and upkeep also. I think the reason we see so many "Warn or nothing" comments is because there seems to be fewer failures with that brand. Many in my Jeep club have decades old Warns that have transferred to newer rigs over the years.
03-04-2013 12:04 PM
lee indy this saving up for something better tends to be from people who have no experience with the brands being mentioned. i equate it to harley vs honda. honda makes a very good motorcycle that will last for years and does everything a harley does and probably does some things better. but you dont get to strut around like your poop dont stink.

for those who are going off about buying what you would call "better" how many winches have you used and how many pulls are on your current winch.

ill start.
current winch smitty xrc8. 100+ pulls.






03-04-2013 12:03 PM
Finally got a Jeep I'm leaning toward the Engo 10,000 lb unit. Anyone have experience with the model that has an integrated air compressor? I'm waiting to hear from Warn whether or not it will fit in their elite series front bumper.
03-04-2013 11:54 AM
TJGARMA03 I agree on not getting a harbor freight also. Shoulda thrown that out there!
03-04-2013 11:51 AM
GoldenSahara00 I agree, personally
03-04-2013 11:51 AM
jcoon10 I want saying its warn or bust and also didn't mean for him to go buy the top of the line. Just recommending to save a few extra bucks and get sumptin a lil more quality than harbor freight. IMO.
03-04-2013 11:50 AM
TJGARMA03 Bought an Engo 9k for $280 shipped 2 weeks ago. Haven't used it yet but from other reviews and people's recommendations I feel confident it'll be just fine. You don't always get what you pay anymore these days. Well maybe a expensive name if thats what makes you sleep well at night.
03-04-2013 11:45 AM
GoldenSahara00 No need to apologize, but don't post stuff that is gona make people argue with you unless you want them to argue

That's something you'll learn. I am all for USA products, etc. But they need to be competitive in the market. I can't purchase the most expensive thing for my jeep. It is not a luxury vehicle. It's build for a purpose. I research good products that work well, and I purchase them. I did my homework on the Engo before I bought it and it paid off. The brand has a good background, and while it is Chinese, so is everything else. That's not a reason to discount it. I know that will piss Jerry off, and it frustrates me too, but when there isn't a US brand putting out a viable option at a reasonable cost for people of lower income, what else do we do?
03-04-2013 11:38 AM
sakicnut I've used my smittybilt jack at least 10 times if not more and it's never given me a problem. I've used my winch twice on recoveries and it pulls like their is nothing even their. If every jeeper did it the "right" way the first time, then we couldn't have the money to do anything else. I'm on a high school budget, i cant afford a warn winch or old man emu lifts. But the lift, bumpers, and winch i do have, haven't failed me yet.
03-04-2013 11:35 AM
jcoon10
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00

nice advice. I guess you never sliced a sidewall in the middle of a rocky trail that you literally can't get out of, sitting in a foot of water. Tell me how your bottle jack is going to help you change your tire? I thought that too about high lifts until I needed mine. But hey maybe you don't do any real wheeling, who knows. No need to deflect a discussion about winches to another topic.

If we followed the "you get what you pay for" for everything, we would all be driving lambos and living in million dollar houses right?
As I figured u misunderstood me. I never said hi lift jacks are useless. I've just met some jeepers over time that have one mounted on the hood/bumper simply cause it looked cool and they'd never use it or even know how to use it.
Just trying to make a joke. Like my last sentence said. Sry
03-04-2013 11:31 AM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by jcoon10 View Post
Harbor freight is cheap crap and quadratec is overpriced.

Check out morris4x4center. It's out of Florida and does free shipping over $100 orders

To echo Jerry B's post - save up and buy something quality. It's something I've learned over time and not just with jeep stuff.
"You get what u pay for".

BUT - if ur into the "looking cool" thing like some jeepers then just get the cheapest thing out there and mount it next to the high lift jack you'll never use either. Not saying that's u just joking around.
nice advice. I guess you never sliced a sidewall in the middle of a rocky trail that you literally can't get out of, sitting in a foot of water. Tell me how your bottle jack is going to help you change your tire? I thought that too about high lifts until I needed mine. But hey maybe you don't do any real wheeling, who knows. No need to deflect a discussion about winches to another topic.

If we followed the "you get what you pay for" for everything, we would all be driving lambos and living in million dollar houses right?
03-04-2013 11:27 AM
jcoon10 Harbor freight is cheap crap and quadratec is overpriced.

Check out morris4x4center. It's out of Florida and does free shipping over $100 orders

To echo Jerry B's post - save up and buy something quality. It's something I've learned over time and not just with jeep stuff.
"You get what u pay for".

BUT - if ur into the "looking cool" thing like some jeepers then just get the cheapest thing out there and mount it next to the high lift jack you'll never use either. Not saying that's u just joking around.
03-04-2013 11:19 AM
sakicnut Got my Harbor Freight 12k winch for $350 with 2 year warranty. Pulls great but it is slow. It's worked everytime i've needed it too.
03-04-2013 10:51 AM
BigTwig I've got a smittybilt and it works great. For the price I definitely can't complain. Most of the wenches will come with everything you'll need to get started except the wench plate to mount it. You can pick those up for around $75. I would keep clear of the harbour freight.
03-04-2013 10:47 AM
GoldenSahara00 If you want to be eco friendly and plan to winch off of trees, buy a tree strap. A good pair of gloves is nice as well. I typically winch off another vehicle.
03-04-2013 10:43 AM
david97 Thanks for the feedback! It's great to have a community of folks out there able to share the knowledge. We have a Miata as well and there is a very similar knowledge base. Thank goodness Al Gore invented the internet so we can do this

Looks like Engo is the way to go for me until Quadratec gets just a bit more time under their belt.

I assume I need a tree sling or protector, block of some sort? gloves of course. What's the minimum I should carry to work with the winch...sling, some sort of block, and gloves?
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