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08-25-2014 01:19 PM
JakerJKU I use industrial strength velcro to attach the spiderwebshade to the center plastic section of the soundbar/middle rollbar cover (just above and behind my the front seats). This helped the flapping and noise from the flapping. It still flaps around a bit but does not make much noise. I can add pics if anyone needs a visual.
08-25-2014 11:37 AM
ljvsnyder I tried tying down the center with bungee balls and it actually made the flap worse. The bolt Idea doesn't seem bad as it would keep it tighter, but would be more of a pain to reinstall the hardtop. I don't have a cab cover or garage, so to prevent dew build up at night I have to reinstall the freedom panels and park as far under my houses overhang.

Anyone have the cargo shade for a 4door? I would like to find out how much it cuts down on the wind turbulence that the rear seat passengers have.
08-25-2014 11:24 AM
GroovyGeek
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Originally Posted by ljvsnyder View Post
I have SW1 for my jk 4 door and it flaps pretty bad on the sound bar. I have eliminated that by putting some round pipe insulation under it, but it takes away from the smooth lines.
You can just use the grommets for the freedom top to clamp down the shade to the crossbar of the roll cage. Just buy some SS or black oxide 2.5" bolts and some rubber washers and be done. I think that the 4-door designs are inherently more robust because they provide attachment points around the entire periphery of the shade.
08-25-2014 11:10 AM
ljvsnyder I have SW1 for my jk 4 door and it flaps pretty bad on the sound bar. I have eliminated that by putting some round pipe insulation under it, but it takes away from the smooth lines. ddoumani, did you get the spyder shade cage for a 4 door or a 2 door?
Capt Jack, how did you get SWS to make you a custom shade? I asked if they could make one that fit right behind the passenger seat of a JKU and they said there was no way to attach it. I can tell you they were wrong on that part, made my own, and is now patent pending.
08-24-2014 10:13 PM
ddoumani I just ordered a Spyder ShadeCage - looking forward to getting it in and installed
08-24-2014 09:32 PM
roberthleeii
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Originally Posted by Capt Jack View Post
I have spidershade, no experience with dirty dog. one thing I can comment on is customer service at spidershade has been great. and they will custom make anything you want. they just charge for the stock size it is based on. In my case, I loved having the spidershade to keep the sun off me, as well as the uv rays, my wife likes full sun. so, I designed and they made a two piece top for my 2014 Unlimited Sahara. so, now we are happily married while driving down the road. as far as the bungie balls - those are generic throughout the tarp industry, I am good with using them, not sure the women would be, but they don't put the tops on and off. I am Ok with the small gaps - ithe top does not flutter. I have the wrap around the rear roll bar (I have a Trektop NX, that is on all the time, without the side or rear windows), so the wrap takes the place of the windows, but full breeze which is awesome. Plus, my wife has a miniture poodle, that will jump up and scratch, and this way she cannot scratch the Trextop windows, as she would hit the spidershade first - which does not get damaged.

Overall, happy with the material, and I really like the sun reduction, yet full air of the spider shade
Pictures?
08-24-2014 02:34 PM
GroovyGeek Yesterday I temporarily fixed my Jkini flapping annoyance. Used 1/2" pre-split pipe insulation. Wrapped the first 2" in Gorilla tape to make it easier on the eyes and slid under the Jkini to give it ~3/4" separation from the soundbar. Then split the remainder of the insulation, fed it around the strap, wrapped in Gorilla tape to make it (somewhat) pretty. This is how it looks from above, of course this needs to be done for all four attachment points




Will have to do for now. What I really want is to find a black pool noodle (or black packing foam, then cut out a pedestal that supports the strap and the leading edge of the Jkini, and can be taken off in a jiffy if I ever decide I want to put a hard top in.

I am fairly happy with my setup - Jkini in front, DD in back. The DD installation "instructions" aren't worth the paper they are printed on, here is an image of how it looks on my JK



1) Install the front straps first (at the corners of the sounbar, leave them really loose
2) Install the rear straps (near the headrests). I personally found it necessary to install them just below the mounting points for the seatbelts to get the rest of the installation correctly. Tighten the straps somewhat snug to center the shade between the roll bars
3) Working from the back to the front install each pair of straps and tighten
4) Tighten the front corners making sure to leave some gap between the fabric and the sound bar. By positioning the rear straps just below the seatbelt mounting points the fit should be just right.
5) Install and tighten the center strap on the sound bar, also making sure not to tighten it too much and cause overlap of the fabric with the soundbar.

Noteweorthy: on a 2dr JK the rear headrests seem to be an essential component to prevent flapping of the rear end of the shade. The fabric is stretched around them and provides structural support. Despite what the image above seems to imply, I run without the rear headrests (they obstruct vision too much when backing up) and find that there is some fluttering of the DD above 50mph but it is farily discrete and much much MUCH quieter than the SWS.
08-24-2014 07:22 AM
gvest I also have the SWS (TJKini), only issue I have with it is one of my cats loves to lay on it! Looks like a waterbed as she sinks down in it, probably stretching it out but oh well...just get another one day since our cats basically run the house anyway!
08-23-2014 09:47 AM
kennydrons
Love my Dirty Dogs

Well I cannot give an opinion on both covers but I can tell what I know about the Dirty Dog... I was originally referred by another JK owner who had installed them on his 4-door. Upon looking at the product I was very impressed with both the look and the quality of the covers. Liking the product the way I did I purchased both the front and back covers for my 4-door on Fathers Day and have been very happy. Both fit and install easily and they look great... they strap down nice and tight and I have never had 'the flap' so basically, I never take them off (I have a soft top). I only remove the front straps so I can lock the soft top down and then keep rolling... this makes it nice and quick when you feel the need for a change on the go.


I give the Dirty Dog covers a 10!!!!! They are well worth the money....

08-23-2014 08:18 AM
Capt Jack I have spidershade, no experience with dirty dog. one thing I can comment on is customer service at spidershade has been great. and they will custom make anything you want. they just charge for the stock size it is based on. In my case, I loved having the spidershade to keep the sun off me, as well as the uv rays, my wife likes full sun. so, I designed and they made a two piece top for my 2014 Unlimited Sahara. so, now we are happily married while driving down the road. as far as the bungie balls - those are generic throughout the tarp industry, I am good with using them, not sure the women would be, but they don't put the tops on and off. I am Ok with the small gaps - ithe top does not flutter. I have the wrap around the rear roll bar (I have a Trektop NX, that is on all the time, without the side or rear windows), so the wrap takes the place of the windows, but full breeze which is awesome. Plus, my wife has a miniture poodle, that will jump up and scratch, and this way she cannot scratch the Trextop windows, as she would hit the spidershade first - which does not get damaged.

Overall, happy with the material, and I really like the sun reduction, yet full air of the spider shade
08-23-2014 07:55 AM
samizdad I have no issues with my SWS. It's the TJKini model. No flapping and the sun is blocked out very well. It is hotter than a bikini top but that stands to reason. I love that I can put the top up without taking it off. See picture in my garage. I think it is well worth the $$$.
08-22-2014 10:57 PM
GroovyGeek
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Originally Posted by fran55343 View Post
I purchased the small SWS in June. Over 50 mph or so there is flapping just in front of the sound bar on my 2014 JK 2 door. There is a gap in the shade there and wind must flow through that hole and create a fluttering of the shade. I have a soft top and run the whole summer with the top down. That being said, the road and wind noise from driving a brick shaped vehicle down the highway is relatively loud anyway, so I don't notice the flapping sound of the SWS. I bought this shade because of the 90% sun blockage. I don't even wear a cap most of the time since the shade is so good.
So now I have owned a JK 2D, Jkini and a DD rear only. Here are my observations

1)form and fit: SWS hands down. The DD is fairly lose fitting and does not look nearly as good
2) shade performance: i like the SWS, it blocks much more of the heat. Some people would prefer the DD because it lets a lot more light through
3) ease of installation SWS hands down. The DD straps are a bit of a pain
4) flapping: undoubtedly the DD is the far superior product. The SWS has many obvious design flaws in that respect. One piece design flaps against the sound bar. The rear end of the JK 2D is on the zone of maximum turbulence and flaps SEVERELY. The straps of the jkini flap. The DD flutters in the wind too but does so largely silently.

The flaws of the SWS are trivial to fix. Break it up in two pieces, eliminate overlap with the sound bar, bring the end of the rear piece further down the roll bar to remove it from the high turbulence zone. Add AB beefier strap along the unsupported rear edge and a couple of closely spider balls to keep things taught there. Sure these will add to the cost but they will turn an underperforming product into a kick ass must have accessory.

If SWS wants to run with these ideas they can have them for the low low price of a free shade for me. ☺

PS. My current setup is Jkini in front, DD in back. I need to pad up the Jkini to keep it from flapping and irritating me.
08-22-2014 09:51 PM
fran55343 I purchased the small SWS in June. Over 50 mph or so there is flapping just in front of the sound bar on my 2014 JK 2 door. There is a gap in the shade there and wind must flow through that hole and create a fluttering of the shade. I have a soft top and run the whole summer with the top down. That being said, the road and wind noise from driving a brick shaped vehicle down the highway is relatively loud anyway, so I don't notice the flapping sound of the SWS. I bought this shade because of the 90% sun blockage. I don't even wear a cap most of the time since the shade is so good.
08-22-2014 07:57 PM
JAustin
Still going strong after 4 years

I bought a black SWS JKU TrailMesh 4 years ago, and it has lasted across 3 JKU Saharas (2008, 2011, 2013). We only use it in the spring and fall when the soft top is on. (We run with the hardtop installed during the winter and summer months.)

When I received the SWS, it came with no instructions, and the rather lame explanation (I thought), that "it's so easy none are needed / you can install it any way you like."

Well, I didn't like, but I figured out how to make it work. I later noticed that they posted an installation video (which is worth viewing just to watch Amanda strut her stuff), and following this procedure makes for a much easier and better install. Haven't had any flapping issues at speed since following these steps, and mine has had plenty of time in the sun to stretch out.

Occasionally I'm forced to fold the front half back and apply more sunscreen (my wife tans and I burn, you see), but it's quick and easy to secure the flap out of the way.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another SWS, but it appears that my current one will last forever!
08-22-2014 03:34 PM
volswagn
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
I was looking at that today as well. It take very little upward pressure on the thing to make it stop the flapping, so I think that maybe a foam pipe frost insulator along the top of the sound bar would do the trick. They are black, fairly small diameter and would not be particularly noticeable.
Weird. I don't have any flapping on my SS. Also, I'm not sure what people are talking about in regard to single panel. They must have changed the design. Mine is a panel for front, one for back (and two more for back roll bar sides). It is an issue to get the thing really tight, and to get tight enough, some of the spiderballs you double-wrap through two pieces of material -- one ball for two panels. That's how it gets really tight.

I would have loved for the company to include a "recommended" pattern of double-balling (that sounds interesting) so that I knew automatically which panels should be double-wrapped. Every summer I have to figure it out again as I put them on.

That said, most of the time I really like having the shade OFF because you really do lose that open air feel. It's better than having a top on, but it does cut down the enjoyment just a bit. But I don't live in a hot sun region.
08-18-2014 02:55 PM
SpottyJ
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Originally Posted by roxbury29 View Post
^
*just remove the front 3 clips and leave it on.* under the hard top.
Does the SpyderShade sag down when you just undo the 3 clips? Mine sagged and touched my head.

I bought a Harken hard-top roof hoist, so we take our hard top on and off frequently. But despite that, just running with freedom tops off, then back on - the shade sags when freedom tops need to be installed.


TIA.
08-18-2014 11:09 AM
REBEL OFF ROAD Spiderwebshade. Great guys and great product.
08-18-2014 09:08 AM
roxbury29
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Originally Posted by SpottyJ View Post
So I bought the 4dr Spyder Shade for my 2014 JKU w/ hard-top.

With hard top off, there is some "fluttering" over the sound bar area. The question I have for others is - what do you when taking on/off the freedom tops? It's a bit of a pain to connect/reconnect the SpyderShade. And when the freedom tops are on, you cannot keep the SpyderShade connected as it uses the same windshield header clips/hooks that the Freedom Top clips to. So the SpyderShade sags down.

I am thinking of going to the DirtyDog as I can remove the front section. Thoughts?
^ I have the spyderShade, and last year just lined the holes up and kept it on under the hard top. This year just left my hardtop off all summer.
*just remove the front 3 clips and leave it on.* under the hard top.

Here in the Midwest, with the unsettling weather, I might sell my spydershade and just get a soft top for summer, and use my freedom for winter.

right now , I just don't drive it when it rains
08-18-2014 08:12 AM
SpottyJ So I bought the 4dr Spyder Shade for my 2014 JKU w/ hard-top.

With hard top off, there is some "fluttering" over the sound bar area. The question I have for others is - what do you when taking on/off the freedom tops? It's a bit of a pain to connect/reconnect the SpyderShade. And when the freedom tops are on, you cannot keep the SpyderShade connected as it uses the same windshield header clips/hooks that the Freedom Top clips to. So the SpyderShade sags down.

I am thinking of going to the DirtyDog as I can remove the front section. Thoughts?
08-13-2014 06:14 PM
dmako
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Originally Posted by COBoarder View Post

I have the white Dirty Dog and I think it would make it cooler. I also like the look of the white DD under the soft top.
Do they offer white still? I saw sand
08-13-2014 11:36 AM
COBoarder
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Originally Posted by MagicMtnDan View Post
Has anyone gone with a white shade? I've got a white JKUR and that's the only color other than black that I would consider. Wondering if the white will make it cooler (and show a lot of dirt)?

Thanks
I have the white Dirty Dog and I think it would make it cooler. I also like the look of the white DD under the soft top.
08-13-2014 11:31 AM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by Hudler View Post
DD all the way! 2 piece for a jku and really like the fit and quality. My wife says you go to all the trouble to make it a convertable then put a top on. That top keeps me comfortable and my bald head from burning!
Let's not forget the reduction in wind and noise on the hwy.
08-12-2014 09:18 PM
Hudler DD all the way! 2 piece for a jku and really like the fit and quality. My wife says you go to all the trouble to make it a convertable then put a top on. That top keeps me comfortable and my bald head from burning!
08-12-2014 03:03 PM
Dr. Evil
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Originally Posted by GroovyGeek View Post
OK, rolling the dice. I will blame you of it does not work out :grin:
I am willing to take that chance.
08-08-2014 09:31 PM
GroovyGeek
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Originally Posted by Dr. Evil View Post

Yep. I still wouldn't get the long one piece design. You could always sell it privately if not happy with it. No damage to the item occurs by installing it.
OK, rolling the dice. I will blame you of it does not work out :grin:
08-08-2014 05:48 PM
D-Man604 For another alternative, I just put on the Rugged Ridge Eclipse Sun Shade (front only kini style) and really like it! Was cheaper and has some things I like better too.
08-08-2014 05:40 PM
Dr. Evil
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Originally Posted by GroovyGeek View Post
Even in the rear, and even over 50 mph? One of the big differences with the JK and JKU is that on the JKU you have a bar to attach the fabric to, while on the JK you have this unsupported span of fabric that acts as a sail.



That is indeed the case, but they do have grommets for the freedom bolts. For $4 in parts you can buy 2.5" bolts, metal and rubber washers and some nuts and clamp it down so it does not flap. However, there is nothing you can do on the SWS to keep the rear end from flapping. With the DD you have straps that you can tighten so maybe this is its saving grace. Given that none of the stores that sell DD will accept returns once you mount it I am afraid to sink another $125 just to try it.
Yep. I still wouldn't get the long one piece design. You could always sell it privately if not happy with it. No damage to the item occurs by installing it.
08-08-2014 07:48 AM
Rockyriver Love my Spiderweb shade. No flapping at all. I think it's all in how you fasten in the back.
08-07-2014 11:16 PM
GroovyGeek
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Originally Posted by Dr. Evil View Post
2 piece DD here for a 2 door and no flapping.
Even in the rear, and even over 50 mph? One of the big differences with the JK and JKU is that on the JKU you have a bar to attach the fabric to, while on the JK you have this unsupported span of fabric that acts as a sail.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Evil View Post
I think the problem with the 1 piece SWS is that since it is continuous over the sound bar, air gets under and pushes it up and down as the air moves rearward.
That is indeed the case, but they do have grommets for the freedom bolts. For $4 in parts you can buy 2.5" bolts, metal and rubber washers and some nuts and clamp it down so it does not flap. However, there is nothing you can do on the SWS to keep the rear end from flapping. With the DD you have straps that you can tighten so maybe this is its saving grace. Given that none of the stores that sell DD will accept returns once you mount it I am afraid to sink another $125 just to try it.
08-05-2014 12:41 PM
Dr. Evil 2 piece DD here for a 2 door and no flapping. I think the problem with the 1 piece SWS is that since it is continuous over the sound bar, air gets under and pushes it up and down as the air moves rearward. With the DD there is a small gap they recommend you leave just before the sound bar and after too. This way with 2 pieces, each one acts independently and the air hits the sound bar and goes over the rear piece. Much better aerodynamic design IMHO. I can also just run with only the front or only the rear. Much more versatile and a slam dunk. Also, I prefer the the straps with buckles as compared to elastic bungee cord/balls. I can tighten it up to my liking.
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