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03-24-2013 05:00 AM
GoldenEagle
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Originally Posted by SuicideSaints View Post
It really isn't that bad. I've had a Detroit and I live in Colorado and Utah. You just have to watch what you're doing. I moved into selectable lockers (I have ARB now in the front and rear). With selectable lockers snow and ice is a non issue. You get the best of both worlds and you will not regret it. It only makes your jeep better. Although if you aren't doing offroading and trails that sometimes require lockers then it is not worth it to begin with. Have fun and bottom line get what you want because you are the one driving it. Good luck! Let us know what you get.
If a colorado jeep can go with out an LSD then, Maybe mine could too. I dont not do trails and such, but between work, and school, and being out my "area" makes it a little tougher. Ill get back to it again sometime! haha

I would love to let you know what i get, but considering all the information here it makes the decision a little tougher.

This was just part of the research process, and i thank everyone who has put in their input(as well as those that will continue too)

The reason i started this is because the weather is (hopefully) gunna warm up this summer and i was looking for a project. I had heard that lockers can be more usefull then a lift and i wanted to look more into it. But maybe its not the first purchase i need to make this summer. Im not made of money haha like most people, and while i dont need anything for the jeep, like most of us, its become a huge hobby and source of entertainment and i want to find something that i will get the most joy out off.
03-21-2013 03:09 PM
JKralph
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Originally Posted by Landon II

I like the looks of that. Im thinking about just getting a rear locker for now. I know I have a D44 because I have a LJ but I have no idea if it has LSD or not. I need to go check the glove box I guess. I wouldnt care about losing the LSD if I had a locker. That would be the best of both worlds to me.
Good post, you reminded me of something i neglected to say earlier, so thank you

As far as I'm aware, TJM is only made for the 44 rear. I know there are rumors of a front d30 version coming out, but I've yet to see them.

I don't care too much about LSD either, i've driven in heavy snow, and wet and slick conditions and the open diff is fine for my applications; I'd rather have a selectable back there, too.

Also, the tjm air compressor is less expensive than its ARB equivalent (read: ARB's single compressor, not the double), by about a hunsky IIRC, if that matters to you.
03-21-2013 02:42 PM
Landon II
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Originally Posted by JKralph View Post
I haven't seen these suggested yet, so I thought I'd throw them out there for your consideration. TJM prolockers. They are air-actuated, but work a little different from their ARB peers. According to the manuf., they utilize a piston-type acuator as opposed to the rotating sealing surface within the arb's. Basically, means less maintenance (not saying ARB's have a whole lot of maintenance, just saying this system will require LESS). Their price is almost equivalent to ARB's, maybe a tad less. They're worth a look.

here's a video I stole from pirate that shows the actuator action

TJM Pro Locker Air Locking Differential - YouTube

I like the looks of that. Im thinking about just getting a rear locker for now. I know I have a D44 because I have a LJ but I have no idea if it has LSD or not. I need to go check the glove box I guess. I wouldnt care about losing the LSD if I had a locker. That would be the best of both worlds to me.
03-21-2013 06:55 AM
SuicideSaints It really isn't that bad. I've had a Detroit and I live in Colorado and Utah. You just have to watch what you're doing. I moved into selectable lockers (I have ARB now in the front and rear). With selectable lockers snow and ice is a non issue. You get the best of both worlds and you will not regret it. It only makes your jeep better. Although if you aren't doing offroading and trails that sometimes require lockers then it is not worth it to begin with. Have fun and bottom line get what you want because you are the one driving it. Good luck! Let us know what you get.
03-20-2013 08:29 AM
Rockjock15 If you are dead set on running a LSD and selectable locker look for a factory Rubicon Dana 44 rear assembly. The factory rear locker is LSD and an Air Locker.
03-20-2013 12:54 AM
GoldenEagle I like what your saying, as far as the rear locker goes, i like the performance of the LSD over an open, and the safety of the LSD over the locker. Im in the saving up process now, so maybe things in my future will cahnge, but im pretty sure i will always have snow and ice to deal with and thats what complicates the decision so much
03-13-2013 04:12 PM
SuicideSaints I think (my opinion) you are looking at it wrong by wanting to keep your LSD, yes LSD is better than nothing but not as good as a locker. I would find out what locker you want, it sounds like a selectable will be best for your setup, do the front. It will help with crawling and traction. Then do the back and replace the LSD with the same locker. I have ARB, it is pricey, but I would never go back. I had the ox and loved it I just like my ARBs even more. Plus you get an air supply, I float the river in MOAB so I wheel one day and use the arb to inflate my tubes to float the river the next day on my trips.
03-13-2013 03:56 PM
JKralph I haven't seen these suggested yet, so I thought I'd throw them out there for your consideration. TJM prolockers. They are air-actuated, but work a little different from their ARB peers. According to the manuf., they utilize a piston-type acuator as opposed to the rotating sealing surface within the arb's. Basically, means less maintenance (not saying ARB's have a whole lot of maintenance, just saying this system will require LESS). Their price is almost equivalent to ARB's, maybe a tad less. They're worth a look.

here's a video I stole from pirate that shows the actuator action

TJM Pro Locker Air Locking Differential - YouTube
03-13-2013 03:44 PM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
is that a personal experience?
...yes... 3 years ago in high school. Going straight down the road (school traffic so I was only going about 25 mph) when I felt my right rear tire spin, eased off the gas and bam, tail slid out to the right. It was a patch of black ice so I was in 2wd. I'm pretty confident if the LSD hadn't tried to kick in the other tire would have lost traction.
03-13-2013 03:28 PM
GoldenEagle is that a personal experience?
03-13-2013 08:42 AM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
i miss read that, when i was gunna fix it, but for some reason it wouldnt let me edit it. BUt i feel like thats the best bet. Would love to hear some input from anyone who has one.

As far as loosing LSDs, ive seen some of my friends ford with open diffs in the snow, and i must say, it is nothing i want to be apart of, embarrasing. ha
What's more embarrassing is being in a ditch less than a mile from your school and all your friends driving by because the crap clutch pack LSD made the rear end come free.
03-13-2013 12:49 AM
GoldenEagle hahaha thats not what i want to hear
03-13-2013 12:18 AM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by 98 tj sport View Post
The only way u can retain ur lsd and have the locked option that I know of, would be to get an auburn ected locker it is a limited slip when the locker isn't engaged, and then when u flip the switch it is locked, but these haven't been out that long so idk if they havebgood reviews or not
The ECTED is the very last locker I would use or recommend. Its clutch-based LSD may be fine but its clutch-based locker can slip... and a slip at the wrong time could be very bad news. If I'm installing a locker, it sure won't be clutch-based.

Not to mention the ECTED's clutch pack will eventually need to be replaced which is strictly a send-it-back-to-the-factory to be rebuilt type of program.
03-13-2013 12:08 AM
GoldenEagle i miss read that, when i was gunna fix it, but for some reason it wouldnt let me edit it. BUt i feel like thats the best bet. Would love to hear some input from anyone who has one.

As far as loosing LSDs, ive seen some of my friends ford with open diffs in the snow, and i must say, it is nothing i want to be apart of, embarrasing. ha
03-12-2013 09:36 PM
freeskier
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
I guess what im asking now is...

Can i keep my D44 with the LSD, and also have a selectable locker in the rear.

From what i am reading, i feel like i would have to abandon the LSD, and have an open rear end with a selectable locker, which i dont want to do

I dont want it to change the stock setup, just give me a third, next, option up.
2wd,4wd hi and lo, locked hi and lo
I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over losing the crappy stock clutch pack based LSD. For snow/ice I much prefer open diffs as the are the most predictable/stable. My D35 used to have the factory LSD. The problem with it is it is jerky, when one wheel begins to slip the sudden force of the clutch packs kicking in can cause the other wheel to lose traction.
03-12-2013 09:23 PM
RepairMan That's just my future plan, I haven't done it yet. That's why I started out the statement with if/when.
03-12-2013 12:20 AM
GoldenEagle
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Originally Posted by RepairMan View Post
If/when I go locked in my jeep I will do an auburn ected in the rear and a eaton elocker in the front.

I'd rather have 12v lockers than air, I trust wires rather than airlines for long term durability. And I like that I will still have a limited slip rear and open front diff on a day to day basis untill I flip a switch.
I feel the exact same way you do.

Do you like your Auburn Ected? becuase im looking at them now and i cant find much information on them
03-12-2013 12:17 AM
RepairMan If/when I go locked in my jeep I will do an auburn ected in the rear and a eaton elocker in the front.

I'd rather have 12v lockers than air, I trust wires rather than airlines for long term durability. And I like that I will still have a limited slip rear and open front diff on a day to day basis untill I flip a switch.
03-11-2013 11:59 PM
GoldenEagle I was gunna say, if they didnt make them, i know what this engineering students senior design project would be! ha ha

Welll, since ox or arbs wont let me keep my LSD i might look into this auburn company.

Has anyone put an LSD in the front axle, or is that just a waste fo money?
03-11-2013 07:21 AM
98 tj sport
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
I guess what im asking now is...

Can i keep my D44 with the LSD, and also have a selectable locker in the rear.

From what i am reading, i feel like i would have to abandon the LSD, and have an open rear end with a selectable locker, which i dont want to do

I dont want it to change the stock setup, just give me a third, next, option up.
2wd,4wd hi and lo, locked hi and lo
The only way u can retain ur lsd and have the locked option that I know of, would be to get an auburn ected locker it is a limited slip when the locker isn't engaged, and then when u flip the switch it is locked, but these haven't been out that long so idk if they havebgood reviews or not
03-11-2013 04:32 AM
GoldenEagle I guess what im asking now is...

Can i keep my D44 with the LSD, and also have a selectable locker in the rear.

From what i am reading, i feel like i would have to abandon the LSD, and have an open rear end with a selectable locker, which i dont want to do

I dont want it to change the stock setup, just give me a third, next, option up.
2wd,4wd hi and lo, locked hi and lo
03-11-2013 04:16 AM
GoldenEagle Those are both very useful reads, thanks. i was looking for a way to get all four wheels turning at the same time when off roading, on less then perfect traction.

A front locker such as an ARB or OX would take care of the front, but since i have an LSD in the rear, its harder to get one for the rear? or am i mistaken again?

this being said, it doesn't seem like automatic lockers are for me because i drive in the snow a lot.

So it brings me to the rear end. DO they make selectable lockers for D44 with LSDs?
Keeping in mind that i want it to drive in 4 wheel drive, like a stock 4 wheel drive when i have to drive in snow on the roads.
03-10-2013 11:39 AM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
The factory rubicon has a gear type limited slip in the rear that is on all the time. When you put it in 4 wd you have 3 tires driving.
That's an often misunderstood subject. Even when both axles are open without a locker or LSD, all four wheels are being driven and each tire on an axle always receives an even 50:50 split of the power going to that axle.

Here's an article I wrote on that subject years ago.

4x4 & Torque answers

Golden Eagle, here's another article you may find useful on lockers.

What? Why do I need a locker? I thought I had 4X4!
03-10-2013 03:58 AM
Gunner The factory rubicon has a gear type limited slip in the rear that is on all the time. When you put it in 4 wd you have 3 tires driving. If a rear tire hangs in the air and looses traction then you must shift to 4 low. Now you have electric lockers available front and rear at the flip of a switch. Works pretty great. You can do a simple wiring change which lets you have lockers in 4 high. I can do some pretty good trails in 2 wd with the LSD doing it's job. No one has mentioned the electric lockers. Auburn and Detroit make ones. Some like them some don't. I would say that when/if my stockers go out I will replace then with ARB's just because they are strong and simple.
03-10-2013 03:27 AM
GoldenEagle thats kind of a bummer, i was kinda of hoping for equal power to the wheels all the way around. something about it be symmetrical front/rear/ left and right. Kinda seems like a front wheel drive if you just lock the front haha
03-10-2013 01:47 AM
2JeepsThatRun A lunchbox is not possible in an LSD a full carrier selectable is but IMO is not worth it until the front is locked. Then once you start getting to trails you can't make due to the rear traction then put a selectable in the back. Again that is just what I would do it is all up to you on what you feel will be best. We just give our opinions and share some knowledge to help make the decision easier.
03-10-2013 01:18 AM
GoldenEagle So putting one in the rear cant be done with an LSD or not worth it?
03-10-2013 01:04 AM
2JeepsThatRun
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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
i just wanted to make sure it would drive like a stock four wheel drive jeep still, i dont know why i think thats important to me, but it is
Thanks for all the help.

I am pretty sure i have the LSD, what till that change?
You can't put a lunchbox in one and IMO that would make me more likely to put an ARB in the front then you have two traction aids working for you instead of one. Wanting your jeep to drive stock is actually pretty important to a DD jeep and a lot of people want that kind of jeep.
03-10-2013 12:47 AM
GoldenEagle i just wanted to make sure it would drive like a stock four wheel drive jeep still, i dont know why i think thats important to me, but it is
Thanks for all the help.

I am pretty sure i have the LSD, what till that change?
03-10-2013 12:40 AM
2JeepsThatRun
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Originally Posted by doclouie View Post

Yep. They will only lock once you flick the switch for the ARB and move the handle for the OX. Other than that it will be just normal open differential driving.
Damn beat me to it!
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