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05-02-2013 12:53 AM
WatchThis! That's Chrysler for yah.
05-02-2013 12:52 AM
st1264 What surprises me is that they continue to put this shit on a new vehicle... and in 6 years haven't come up with a better setup. For the sticker price on a new 13' Wrangler, you'd think there would be adequate headlight output. Skimp on parts, but no skimp on the sticker price.

I get it, I'm sure that was echoed 6 years ago too. I just bought mine 2 months ago.
05-02-2013 12:36 AM
Originally Posted by st1264 View Post
My Light Meter app and my eyeballs both agree that my new aftermarket $119 55w KC 5" fog lights produce substantially more light than my factory low beams. Pretty sad that Jeep puts this junk on it's new vehicles. I'll be swapping my headlight assemblies soon.

I think it's safe to conclude that factory JK headlights are crap!
I do think that conclusion was made 6 years ago. I had a 64 ford truck that's head lights were almost as "good" as the ones on the JKs
05-01-2013 11:49 PM
st1264 My Light Meter app and my eyeballs both agree that my new aftermarket $119 55w KC 5" fog lights produce substantially more light than my factory low beams. Pretty sad that Jeep puts this junk on it's new vehicles. I'll be swapping my headlight assemblies soon.

I think it's safe to conclude that factory JK headlights are crap!
05-01-2013 06:59 PM
highwayman I'm with the others that stepped up to JW. The JW's are the way to go. Absolutely hated driving the jeep at night after driving my other car with factory hid's. They work great. I got the last gen 8700s and it took a little more work than the evos, but at half the price and like new, it was no big deal.
05-01-2013 03:46 PM
st1264 I was at my friends house and I told him about my lights, he couldn't believe how dim they were. Bulbs are 1/3 the problem, housings are 2nd and the current limiting wiring setup is the other 3rd. Hope my fogs will help:
05-01-2013 02:30 PM
Adrian87GN +1 for the Phillips bulbs. Very noticeable improvement for 30 bucks.
05-01-2013 02:11 PM
efm-7 I proper projector retrofit can be done for about $300 if you DIY... but it's a real PITA to get it right.

Trucklites or H4 halogen housings seem to be the best bang for your buck
04-28-2013 11:00 PM
st1264 I agree. HID is great for the driver wanting to see, but the other guys get blinded. Can't stand that glare...
04-28-2013 09:54 PM
Originally Posted by foxsat71 View Post
I installed HID lights. Now I can see. Just need to adjust them die to lift kit. Drivers keep flashing me. $120 installed. Only downside, hi beams are halogen.
Drivers flash because it is a kit that is not right and they see the glare. A proper hid setup for a jk is 1400 bucks.
04-10-2013 08:00 PM
onetraveller If you call the guys at, they will sell you the Hella headlights with a basic conversion harness in place of the custom wiring harness. This will allow you to run standard H4 lamps in the $100-150 range. The Hella housing is a much better housing optically than the one sold by KC.

The difference in the wiring harnesses are in voltage regulation. A standard H13-H4 harness uses the power feed from the CANBUS controlled system and the voltage can fluctuate. The custom harness that rallylights builds brings power directly from the battery without the interference of the CANBUS system. This provides a little more light from a standard bulb, but also allows you to run hotter H4 bulbs.

04-10-2013 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Mark Theriot View Post
I'm also interested. $109 for better headlights is a bargain (that's if they are any good).

Any problems with the DRL here in Canada?
04-10-2013 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Mark Theriot View Post
I installed these headlights and they are a definite improvement over stock (here in Canada). But they still aren't crazy bright. I still switch on my KC driving lights when I really need to see where I'm going. For the price, though, I think the kit is decent value, and simple plug and play installation.
04-10-2013 05:04 PM
Mark Theriot Any experience or opinions on the KC's? with better H4 bulbs?

KC HiLiTES 42302 - KC HiLiTES H4 Headlight Conversion Kit for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec
04-10-2013 04:32 PM
dmako Interesting thread as my JKU was just ordered never figured on a night test drive.

These H4's seem interesting
04-10-2013 04:20 PM
hoopster3 I just drove at night for the first time in the Jeep a couple nights ago. The lights are absolutely horrible. My hi-beams are not even close to the Silverado low-beams that I had. I can't believe they put these in vehicles, it's a good thing a Wrangler is measnt to go off-road cause with lights this bad you're more likely to. I didn't even bother switching to low-beams and never got flashed once.

I'll be looking into Truck Lites soon.
04-10-2013 03:08 PM
st1264 I loved my PIAA Plasma Ion Yellow bulbs in my WJ, in the stock location they threw more light than my low beams. I'm sure the PIAA fog lamp housings are even better, but they are very expensive.

I was thinking about going with 55w KC fogs on brackets or a light bar. Don't think these would blind anyone if aimed properly. It seems the driving lights are more extreme.

To the guy from Sweden, I'm from Canada and we have the same garbage H13's in a plastic lens like the US. They skimped here and I'm sure a Wrangler is more expensive in Sweden that it is here. Unfortunately those H4's are not compatible with the daylight running lamps we have in Canada.
04-10-2013 02:51 PM
IJ Darbe I've read what there is to read about the headlights; does anyone have any comments on PIAA fog lights for the front end? I live in a rural area with deer around every corner. I find the brights on my Islander don't emit enough light for me to see them in sufficient time when I'm cruising to the house with my mind else where. however, my fog lights and dim headlights create a better viewing spectrum for me. I'd like to install more intense fog lights and see if I can enhance that even more. Suggestions?
04-10-2013 01:40 PM

sure do.
04-10-2013 12:51 PM
Omar Brannstrom Hi

I think it is a shame that Jeep give You US folks inferior lights when we get Hella H4 standard as stock in Europe, and it is also lit auto on day time and we have a switch to alter the light height. This switch is for to lower the light when You for instance have a trailer so You dont blind other on the road.

I dont even think that Hella H4 is good and not fit for a Jeep, and You say You have worse light, shit

A Jeep should have even better light stock than a normal vehicle, because it is for offroad and there are no street lights in the backroads.

You should complain to Jeep

The stock switch to alter light height on my 2012 Sahara in Sweden

My stock lights

You can se my Hella H4 stock lights here and Dually D2. Difficult to judge from my video and I do not know how Your stock lights are in US.

Dually D2 Driving beam from Rigid Industries on a 2 door Sahara Wrangler 2012, Part one - YouTube
04-10-2013 11:30 AM
angelo Hey guys,

I purchased 2 sets of the JW SPEAKER 8700 Evolutions -
one set for me, and one set for my wife's jk.

Although expensive these lights are definitely worth it.. I LOVE them. I can finally see the road!!! ( we live in the country where there are no street lights so good lighting is imperative)

it was hard to pick these over the trucklites due to the price difference but this video convinced me.

One thing i will warn you guys about just in case .....
If you live in Canada you require DRL's to be on during the day.
When you switch over to LED lights of any sort, you will have a problem with your lights flickering due to voltage change.(as mentioned by others) TLG auto sells aftermarket harnesses that supposed to fix the flickering problem with the lights, but this does NOT fix the DRL flickering issue. (Harness' are manufactured in California and they don't have DRL's so the harness is not designed for it)

On my 2010 JKU the DRL's were fine, you would get the odd flicker here and there but nothing noticeable especially during the day.

On my wife's 2011 JK no matter what harness you used the right headlight only would STROBE OUT when DRL's were on which was not ok.

What i ended up doing was ordering an AEV PROCAL unit for both vehicles and changed mine & my wife's DRL's to the signal lights which is still legal.

so total cost - - - it gets crazy -

$370.00 for each light x 4

4 x harness cables @ 69.95 pair

2 x Procal AEV 179.00 each

Its a lot to spend on something like lights, but for us it was definitely a safety issue at the end of the day.
04-10-2013 11:20 AM
JEEPbug ^ pun intended...
04-10-2013 11:18 AM
foxsat71 Yes thank you. It truly is night and day.
04-10-2013 11:11 AM
JEEPbug I have the CANBUS ones installed. A little more money but the resistors are built inside the ballast
04-10-2013 11:10 AM
JEEPbug ^ I believe it's called a resistor
04-10-2013 11:06 AM
foxsat71 The kit is German engineered/design. It comes with 2 ballasts, brackets, wiring, and waterproof connectors. Finally the bulbs. They use to flicker and turn off, but that was before I installed the (for lack of the correct name) capacitor, I am trouble free. I've had them on since October or 2012. Extremely bright. Literally plug and play. Take ur time on install- 20min max. I can take pics of the kit tomorrow and post them.
04-10-2013 10:59 AM
JEEPbug ^ x2
04-10-2013 10:46 AM
foxsat71 I installed HID lights. Now I can see. Just need to adjust them die to lift kit. Drivers keep flashing me. $120 installed. Only downside, hi beams are halogen.
04-10-2013 09:53 AM
Texas_Jeep 2013 still use H13 bulbs. They will work. But its not going to be much better than what you have now. You need to upgrade to Daniel Stern or Truck lites. I have DS and are very happy with them
04-10-2013 09:22 AM
TX Sasquatch
Originally Posted by schiesz View Post
The first is buy some new H13 bulbs. There is a certain set people like, $31 on amazon. I forget what it is.

The next thing to do is buy a new set of reflectors and a H13 to H4 adapter. Cibie and Hella mke them. This will run $250-300.
I'm a bit confused. If I buy the H13 bulbs do I need to buy the reflectors and adapter to make them work, or are those optional upgrades if I want to do more than just the bulbs?

Also, does anyone know if those bulbs are ok with '13s? The tool on amazon says they work for the 2012 but not the 2013.

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