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03-12-2013 04:27 PM
Jeeperz Creeperz There are too many on the other thread regarding rust under new Wranglers that live in areas that have winters and road salt but are not showing this level of rust after a few seasons of driving for me to think this is normal.

Other than Harley Davidson I have never seen so many owners that accept manufacturing defects. Although Harley has come a long ways since the AMF days.

300 miles for 1 owner and 2 months of ownership on the other to look like that? I would not be a happy camper. They should ALL look like Piper99s at least for a few years.

Link to other thread:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/13-...as-221853.html
03-12-2013 02:27 PM
kenb1023
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Originally Posted by st1264 View Post
... or move to New Mexico and never see any rust.
Even in NM we get a bit of rust but that is all we see. If this was sheet metal with rust I would be concearned but the heavy duty cast parts not so much.
03-12-2013 02:24 PM
Pipper99 Maybe jeep should offer Rust as a color option.
03-12-2013 01:16 PM
st1264
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Originally Posted by JeffMan View Post
I just checked my 2012 and its got a lot of rust on the steering knuckles, axle, and various running gear components. My Jeep sees a LOT of salt and is often coated white in colour due to the roads in Alberta. I recently went on a trip through the Rockies and my Crush Jeep was white like a salt shaker.

I wash it nearly daily and this includes a thorough underside spray.

I'm not worried about it. I used to work as a service tech and didn't replace those components for rusting as they are all rusted.

Once it's all rusted I'll stop worrying and washing it all the time.

New Jeep owners should order their jeeps with the running gear rusted and the front windshield broken then we'd all rest easy.
... or move to New Mexico and never see any rust.
03-12-2013 12:59 PM
JeffMan I just checked my 2012 and its got a lot of rust on the steering knuckles, axle, and various running gear components. My Jeep sees a LOT of salt and is often coated white in colour due to the roads in Alberta. I recently went on a trip through the Rockies and my Crush Jeep was white like a salt shaker.

I wash it nearly daily and this includes a thorough underside spray.

I'm not worried about it. I used to work as a service tech and didn't replace those components for rusting as they are all rusted.

Once it's all rusted I'll stop worrying and washing it all the time.

New Jeep owners should order their jeeps with the running gear rusted and the front windshield broken then we'd all rest easy.
03-12-2013 12:41 PM
l2abbit
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Originally Posted by st1264 View Post
Just as an update... went for info on rust proofing. The guy told me that the parts that are rusting prematurely are due to the type of metal used. In so many words he said it was "cheap, sh!tty metal but these parts will not rust out".

So yes, if new Wranglers used better metals in assembly, you guys wouldn't see any rust at all in a new vehicle. This is from a Rustproofing professional.
Yep I was informed the same information...
Pretty upsetting that these are manufactured in the USA and the quality of parts is so low... Guess of you want it done right you gotta do it yourself.
03-12-2013 12:20 PM
st1264 Just as an update... went for info on rust proofing. The guy told me that the parts that are rusting prematurely are due to the type of metal used. In so many words he said it was "cheap, sh!tty metal but these parts will not rust out".

So yes, if new Wranglers used better metals in assembly, you guys wouldn't see any rust at all in a new vehicle. This is from a Rustproofing professional.
03-12-2013 10:10 AM
st1264
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Originally Posted by Old Dogger View Post
Yes, I am one of those that live in Arizona and have for 40 years, but prior in N W Indiana for 30 years so I am familiar with salt, cinders, snow and Ice on the roads. That's just some of the reasons that I don't live there anymore.
O.K., his was manufactured in Jan and mine in Feb. My point of origin on my window sticker was also Toledo. Mine has no rust at all under it. So for you theory to be correct, and I'm not saying that it isn't, would mean that there was salt, snow and ice on the road in Toledo in Jan, but not in Feb and that maybe the case, because I have no reason to follow the road conditions in Toledo. The only other answer per your theory would be that maybe his Wrangler was on the lower level of the transporter and mine was on the upper, well anything is possible, but I still think that his sat in water long term some place.
There was snow on the ground throughout Jan here... end of Feb almost all of it was gone, with the salt. Toledo is 45min away and thus has the same climate, I think you have your answer. No salt by the end of Feb, so no rust formed on yours. No snow in March and no salt so far. I love Global Warming! It snowed 2 or 3x all last winter. Mildest winter I can remember. This winter has been average, but not much if any snow since late Feb.
03-12-2013 05:35 AM
Afmcronnie I dont even think thats paint. It should be powdercoat. It looks like that axle had a crappy prep job and the coating (be it paint or powder) didnt adhere correctly.
03-12-2013 12:06 AM
socal-jk Anything domestic, ane with a live axle looks like that. Normal. You know how thick the housing and tubes are? That jeep will be a recycled honda five times over before that housing rots through. Dont worry about it. 100% normal. A lot of people have been complaing of this it seems. There is a difference between surface rust and complete cancer like a 60's Alfa Romeo.
03-11-2013 11:07 PM
stew7710
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Originally Posted by AlpineOverNappa View Post
Bought a brand new 2013 (born in Jan '13) Rubicon unlimited with 4 miles at the end of January. In six weeks this is what the underneath looks like. The normal bare-metal places have surface rust as well (drive shaft, exhaust hangars, etc), which can be expected. The rust I am concerned about is on practically every weld/bolt/mounting point of the front axle. If you've special ordered or are looking to pull the trigger, carefully check the finish job on the underside to avoid this. (My jeep lives in a garage- didn't see any of the snow salt and gets regular undercarriage washes). The 15 year old TJ I had wasn't this rusty!
Yours looks a little rougher than mine but I kept mine garaged for the past two weeks while I waited for a decision from Chrysler, and I only have 300 miles on it. I am also in the Northern VA, perhaps we were on the same truck and had some exposure on the road from Toledo.
03-11-2013 09:57 PM
Mac2411
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Originally Posted by Blastek View Post
You're just seeing surface rust. The drive shaft and exhaust is not treated, so this is expected and completely normal. It's totally an appearance thing. Apparently, the thin layer of corrosion actually protects the shaft. Either way, it's not going to rust through.

You can paint it if you want, but I'd be concerned about balance issues.
This post is right on the money.
03-11-2013 09:24 PM
Pipper99 I took these pics today of my new JKUR. 2013 that I picked up Monday.
03-11-2013 07:54 PM
Old Dogger
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Originally Posted by st1264 View Post
Not sure why people believe that metal has to be set in water to rust... it doesn't.

Moisture in the air and the reaction with oxygen cause metals to rust. Road salt is corrosive. No metal has to be submerged in water to rust. Moisture in the air and salt will cause it.

Guys from NM or AZ don't have to worry as it's dry and there is no road salt. It's humid as hell here and there is salt for 4 months of the year = rust. This Jeep was made in Toledo, about 45min from here. It's humid and they use road salt.
Yes, I am one of those that live in Arizona and have for 40 years, but prior in N W Indiana for 30 years so I am familiar with salt, cinders, snow and Ice on the roads. That's just some of the reasons that I don't live there anymore.
O.K., his was manufactured in Jan and mine in Feb. My point of origin on my window sticker was also Toledo. Mine has no rust at all under it. So for you theory to be correct, and I'm not saying that it isn't, would mean that there was salt, snow and ice on the road in Toledo in Jan, but not in Feb and that maybe the case, because I have no reason to follow the road conditions in Toledo. The only other answer per your theory would be that maybe his Wrangler was on the lower level of the transporter and mine was on the upper, well anything is possible, but I still think that his sat in water long term some place.
03-11-2013 07:35 PM
Marcsblackjeep
What abou rustoleum undercarriage?

It's supposed be a rubber under spray. Anyone use it? Mabey some wirebrush and then a quick spray. It just may be what helps the PO
03-11-2013 07:14 PM
JTPhoto JK Spray the affected parts with WD40 or some oil based undercoat and you will be fine.
I generally have mine undercoated in the fall then throw black rustolium spray paint on after a good cleaning in the spring.
03-11-2013 06:44 PM
st1264 Not sure why people believe that metal has to be set in water to rust... it doesn't.

Moisture in the air and the reaction with oxygen cause metals to rust. Road salt is corrosive. No metal has to be submerged in water to rust. Moisture in the air and salt will cause it.

Guys from NM or AZ don't have to worry as it's dry and there is no road salt. It's humid as hell here and there is salt for 4 months of the year = rust. This Jeep was made in Toledo, about 45min from here. It's humid and they use road salt.
03-11-2013 06:07 PM
Miser No, what your seeing is not normal! My 2003 with 50,000 miles on it didn't have that much rust.
I just went out and looked under my new Wrangler and I don't see any rust any place under it. My drive shafts are not painted, but they are also not rusty. I am in Arizona and the undercarriage of mine has not been in any water.
For yours to rust that bad, it had to set in water for a lengthy time frame to penetrate the paint and form rust. That didn't just happen over night!
Take it back to the Dealer and ask for a large rebate, or a different Rubicon. I wouldn't take no for a answer!!!
03-11-2013 05:36 PM
dale 3 No way MAN! To much to soon! Notice the shaft,rust then paint,Because lack of PAINT! Another reason to never spend 30k and up for a JEEP.That's a SHAME!
03-11-2013 05:00 PM
kenb1023
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Originally Posted by Lucy Brown View Post
Mines not to bad but my driveshaft is solid rust.
Do they even paint the drive shafts?
03-11-2013 04:59 PM
Blastek
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Originally Posted by Lucy Brown View Post
Mines not to bad but my driveshaft is solid rust.
You're just seeing surface rust. The drive shaft and exhaust is not treated, so this is expected and completely normal. It's totally an appearance thing. Apparently, the thin layer of corrosion actually protects the shaft. Either way, it's not going to rust through.

You can paint it if you want, but I'd be concerned about balance issues.
03-11-2013 04:43 PM
Lucy Brown Mines not to bad but my driveshaft is solid rust.
03-11-2013 04:30 PM
Old Dogger I just purchased my 2013 Rubicon, build date Feb 2013. Before I bought it, I had them put it up on the rack and looked it over underneath. No rust at all and most everything was painted black, you could tell that it was new. Mine just came off of the Transporter so it didn't have any time to set on the lot. It had 10 miles on it.
There is only three way that you can get that much rust under a brand new vehicle and that is that it has either sat in water at the factory, at the Dealership, or the Transporter was stuck in a massive snow storm and yours was on the lower level. I would make sure that there is no signs of water entry into the cab. Only they know how deep the water, or snow was at one time. There is no reason why you should have to keep a Brand new Wrangler delivered to you with that amount of rust. I would make them give me another one. THAT'S TERRIBLE!
Good Luck...........
03-11-2013 04:23 PM
Jeeperz Creeperz That is not normal unless it was shipped through salt water. If the dealer tries to say it is, make them show you every new one on the lot to see how bad the others are. My 2012 bought at the end of April 2012, has no rust and I park in salty sand at the beach often.
03-11-2013 04:08 PM
geckojk1 i little undercoat or rust converter should fix this although i would see if the dealership will do it for free since it is new . ,vehicles being built in the winter are bound to pick up salt before they arive at the dealer and rust is bound to happen . i know that someone will come on and say that there should be more paint under the vehicle, .. probably true but i just count myself lucky that the wrangler hasnt been transformed into a unibody piece of crap. the rust im seeing would take 15-20 years to eat through an axle tube or a spindle
03-11-2013 03:50 PM
kenb1023
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
50k 07

Allota rust
You should see my 99 Ram taht was in WI for 10 years.

Nice shiney Ball Joints you got there.
03-11-2013 03:39 PM
st1264 Use of road salt or humid areas will create tons of rust, but road salt is the absolute worst. Corrosive, will eat through anything. Warm and dry, might never see rust.

When you get salt on your vehicle, wash it. Try to get in every nook and cranny, do your best.
03-11-2013 02:37 PM
Garyk Have had my jeep for about 6 months now, not a speck of rust...Depends on where you live...
03-11-2013 02:29 PM
Jayrubicon Not too bad here with rust on our '08 but its also the first year it's been here up from Texas. Just like was stated above, I also saw two lifted Tundras here with zero rust? Can't be a coincidence. Garbage quality here compared to alot of other manufactures unfortunately
03-11-2013 02:13 PM
kjeeper10 50k 07

Allota rust
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