|12-19-2014 08:31 AM|
|12-19-2014 08:21 AM|
|12-19-2014 02:12 AM|
|BFoster||Just installed the Teraflex tire carrier on my JK. I like it although it does take a little extra force to open the tailgate now. We will see how it holds up over the long run.|
|12-18-2014 06:56 PM|
Did they change the stock tire carrier at some point on the JK? When I took mine off it was a pretty solid aluminum that seems like it could handle a good amount of weight.
The install was pretty easy. Watch the TF video and follow the written instructions included. Should take about 1-2 hours to complete.
|12-18-2014 03:33 PM|
I'm also planning to eventually go to the KM2 tires, and have decided sooner or later I'll add the Teraflex rear hinge as well. My goal here is to more effectively distribute the weight over the tailgate. I'll probably stay with the stock carrier, as I don't plan to increase my tire size substantially. Not a hundred percent sure on that yet.
I spent months coming to these decisions, including contacting the manufacturers with questions. Interesting we arrived at some of the same conclusions independently.
|12-18-2014 02:45 PM|
|12-18-2014 02:15 PM|
^^ I like your reasoning, Happy. I wish more people would test the "conventional wisdom" before posting on forums. Conventional wisdom may in fact be spot-on correct, or it may be partially correct in certain circumstances, or it may have been correct before the Gen II of the so-and-so mod came out in 1997, but is no longer correct at all, or it may be nothing more than pure speculation on the part of someone, and has never happened despite 300,000 people doing it for the last 20 years.
But what happens is too many of us read it somewhere on a forum, and proceed to adopt that reasoning as our own ("Hey, it makes sense, so it must be true!"), and then when somebody asks a question, 15 people can't wait to jump in and tell with great authority why XXXX is the way it is. And the new guy, not really knowing better, assumes that is the Gospel, and he makes it part of HIS Jeep lore, and a year later, when somebody else asks the question, there he is jumping in with the "Answer" himself.
1)wheel spacers will kill you. Not only you, but they will launch all four of your wheels towards innocent bystanders, usually in crowded school crossing zones at 3:30, killing and maiming scores of (usually Special Needs) children, often orphans.
2) CAIs will decrease your mileage, suck water up from the humidity in the air and instantly hydrolock your engine while you're warming the car up in the driveway.
3) CAIs will improve your mileage by 25%, produce upwards of 50 additional HPs, and make the PentaStar sound like the V10 in an Audi R8.
4) NEVER go off-road alone. Ever. Did you hear me? Don't even pull up onto a grassy median unless you are travelling with your Jeep Club (and have contact with them by means of your CB. You DO have a CB, right?). If you leave the pavement alone. You will die. Immediately. In a fiery explosive conflagration. Or a long, slow painful tortured death from exposure, hunger, and thirst. It cannot be avoided. You may be close enough to the interstate to hear the 18 wheelers, but you will be unable to reach them because... you went off-road by yourself. If you go offroad by yourself with wheel spacers and a CAI, well, God help you because no mortal will be able to. That's all I can say.
5) Get the most expensive one. The one that is cheaper, is cheaper for a reason. And that reason is that it is made of Radon, coated in arsenic, pre-rusted, has a balsa-wood backbone, doesn't fit, and was welded together by foreigners using hairdryers and spackling.
Okay, I could go on.
But I appreciate the fact that you don't really have a dog in the hunt -- sounds like you're trying to find actual "this happened to me" evidence of actual failures. I like that. Keep searching and let us know if you do. I'd be happy to forego the stock carrier if there is actual evidence of it breaking with a 34" tire on it. I'm not one to cheap out when there's reason to buy something better. But I also have no desire to add weight, expense, and complexity to a system that doesn't need it.
|12-18-2014 11:00 AM|
I've googled and I can't find a picture of a cracked oem spare tire carrier. All I can find is talk about them. Now, I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm sure it is, I just find it odd that there's all this talk, but no pics. Feel free to find them for me.
Is there a warning from Jeep anywhere not to put a larger tire on it? If it's really not designed for it, I'd think something really bad would have happened by now, and even a warning sticker would be on the carrier itself. Lawyers love that kind of thing.
Of course, we also have to keep things in perspective. I did find somebody that said their oem tire carrier cracked (but didn't fall off) but they were using a spare tire bike carrier and putting lots of extra swinging weight even further off the back.
The irony, mopar actually sells a spare tire bike carrier. My Duratrac 315/70/17s add less weight and less further out than if I added that bike carrier and carried just one bike.
There is a pic of a cracked teraflex tire carrier so without a doubt we know that can happen and that's the whole thing people were trying to avoid. So to say it can happen with the oem and not teraflex doesn't seem right or fair. There's probably more metal between the tailgate, the oem carrier and the tire then at the teraflex's smallest point, seems ironic, all so that teraflex could offer an adjustable design.
If anything, what I read more of is not people with cracking oem tire carriers but that the tailgate itself is having issues, since the oem design transfers the spare weight to the hinge through the tailgate. That's what I read way more of. Teraflex is two parts, the hinge, helping to transfer some of the weight from the carrier over to the hinge, and a whole new carrier. Seems they may help in the one area, but not the other? I don't recall reading anybody having their spare fall off completely.
I look and I see the majority of jeeps with larger tires are running their larger spares on the stock tire carrier with a bracket. That's what 4wheelparts was going to do in their quote. Statistically there are probably way more 35s on stock carriers than on terafex and aftermarket ones. And yet, when I google search, it's the teraflex cracked one that shows up on the first page of results.
In the end, I want something safe and without needing to buy new bumpers. For now, I've installed a spare tire spacer on my oem mount and raised the light but I am still looking into and thinking about either just the teraflex hinge or a maximus-3 carrier. I don't see the point in the teraflex tire carrier since I know that can crack.
In this area, with everything I've searched, for those of us that want to keep our stock bumpers, I just don't know what's really right. Hard to tell.
Sometimes I think we over think things and one wanting to come up with 'reasons' to mod a jeep sure helps a lot. Everyone's free to do what they want. Many times though I think people come up with creative reasons to help justify a 'mod' and to convince themselves something is necessary.
I'm not trying to say or even imply that one way or the other is safer or right. Still a big question mark. I wish better evidence existed that the oem carrier isn't really good enough and/or that the teraflex partial or complete setup is actually really better.
|12-18-2014 10:40 AM|
I also thought about changing the whole bumper carrier as opposed to getting the TF combo. The one thing that was a deal breaker for me was th fact that with the new bumper and carrier I would have to swing out the carrier unit first and then open my gate. I wanted something all in one and a bit more streamline. I guess I'm just lazy. Lol.
|12-18-2014 10:16 AM|
I've been researching this for awhile now, as well as the whole "what tires to get when replacing my stock KMs when they're worn down" question. It all fits together as a piece.
And I've decided (pretty much for certain, but you know how that goes) to go with the Teraflex HD. In fact, I think my whole setup will be much like JADMT's: BFG KM2s in 285/75-17 on stock WW wheels, with the 5th one hanging off of this HD hinge on a stock carrier. Obviously, if the tire doesn't fit well, or snug up well against the TF hinge, I would add the TF carrier. But I hope that wouldn't be necessary with the 33.8" nominal diameter of the 285/75.
Why I like this solution:
I'm very weight conscious, especially at the polar ends of the vehicle. Hanging a 120# bumper and 60# carrier off the rear of the Jeep isn't ideal for me. I've avoided doing so on the front, using a Maximus 3 winch plate on the stock bumper. Total weight adder was still 87 pounds for the plate, a 9500 synthetic winch, and a set of 6" KC Apollos, but that's half the weight of just the front bumper in a lot of cases. I did like the aluminum options for much lighter front bumpers, but they're very spendy and I just can't see what I'm getting for my $1200 or so, as far as making my life better in some way.
Also, I gotta admit, I like the OEM WW bumpers with the shiny black bits in the middle. Yeah, I'm vain.
So out back, if I can hang the new tire off of a beefed up tailgate hinge, keep the stock bumper and 3rd brake lite, I'm hoping my life will be simpler, my rear-end will be lighter, and all will be well in the world. And since the cheapest bumper/carrier combo I found was the Olympic Boa (tube) or Rock (welded steel) bumpers at $529 (4 Wheel Parts), this option is even a tad cheaper.
[To be clear on that part of the equation: "cheapest option" is not part of my equation, at all. But since the option I've landed on from a weight perspective is also pretty much the cheapest out there, I'm just reporting this happily serendipitous concurrence. But I can certainly see someone else, who actually wants to replace his bumper for whatever reason, thinking, "Man, for that kind of money I could get a carrier AND a bumper!" and skipping the TF HD.]
|12-18-2014 10:13 AM|
In the end it's your choice if you want to take the chance. I didn't but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
|12-18-2014 09:34 AM|
|12-18-2014 09:33 AM|
|tae73||The install is very easy, just watch the teraflex video and follow the instructions.|
|12-18-2014 09:23 AM|
I got mine installed when I put my lift kit on. Had a good deal on it for black Friday.
as stated above, I did not want problems with my spare effecting the swing away door.
I looked at the reviews also and they were all positive.
yes it takes a little more to open the gate. but will loosen over time.
|12-18-2014 09:17 AM|
|weaponx24||I'm thinking about adding this to my JK. Every review I've read on it is positive. How was the install?|
|12-18-2014 08:25 AM|
Should the stock carrier crack or break you can kiss your spare goodbye. And if that were to happen on a highway .... Well you can imagine the rest.
I was hesitant also because of the price but after considering the consequences, it was a done deal for me to get both.
|12-18-2014 01:17 AM|
With how quickly the cash spent on mods can add up, I think it makes sense to spend on mods that provide more value.
|12-16-2014 01:45 PM|
|NoMoreYotas||It might seem a little overpriced but I have no regrets. You get what you pay for. I went with just the hinge at first and got the carrier later. Don't bother going this route, just buy them at the same time. It's much better with the whole setup. My 35" spare is now much closer to the tailgate and it's not going anywhere.|
|12-15-2014 09:41 AM|
The strength of the hinge became apparent to me when I was out wheeling and I stopped to get something out of the cargo area. I accidentally left the tailgate slightly ajar and then started up a steep hill and the gate violently swung open. I'm pretty sure with the stock hinges there would have been major damage. With the TF hinge, no problem.
|12-15-2014 12:50 AM|
|JK Rock||I just installed the TF hinged carrier with the stock tire mount. I'm surprised at how much pressure it takes to open and close the tailgate now. Is it supposed to be that much different than when it was stock? I'm thinking of putting some WD-40 on the teraflex joints or something to make it easier to open and close.|
|03-31-2014 10:14 AM|
|tae73||That Vector rack is pretty nice would be better than having to add the rotopax to the hi-lift jack. I wonder how much weight the TF carrier can hold?|
|03-30-2014 05:37 PM|
|03-30-2014 03:03 PM|
|TRAUMAhead||Yep, they make locking handles. https://rotopax.com/LOX-T-Handle.html|
|03-30-2014 12:52 PM|
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|02-25-2014 05:49 PM|
|02-25-2014 05:47 PM|
That is what the little baggie says
|02-25-2014 10:15 AM|
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