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04-01-2013 03:07 PM
Lowerumble Any fresh pics would be appreciated. I am still on the fence on this one....
04-01-2013 02:50 PM
Goofyjumper Thank you for this thread. I have one of these bumpers sitting in my garage waiting to be installed and this is all helpful information.
03-24-2013 07:42 PM
Lowerumble Nice!
03-24-2013 07:16 PM
sneck so, just so no one thinks my rig is just a mall crawler, a few shots from this weekends run. a found a nice rock to try out the new bumper profile on. not the best shots, but you can see how vertical this rock pushes the jeep. i wasnt able to make it up (stupid lack of rear locker) but I got the back tires to the bottom without hitting the bumper. when I went back down it, same thing, was able to go down that without hitting the bumper. so very cool




I've done that run before with the same setup and my old bumper, and I know if I tried to reverse from the climb or drive down over it, i would bash the bumper over everything. so real improvement in clearance
03-18-2013 03:53 PM
sneck
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Originally Posted by suicideking View Post
Cool thanks! I wouldn't be able to keep it back there (have kids) but might consider keeping it in the back somehow. It would be nice to not have to buy a tire carrier.
anything under a 37 you could fit in the back area. just play around with some ways to secure it inside the cabin before you commit to moving the spare inside, especially if you use the back seats!
03-18-2013 03:49 PM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
i keep it in the back, I folded down the seat behind the driver and it fits vertically in there; i just secure it with some ratchet straps
Cool thanks! I wouldn't be able to keep it back there (have kids) but might consider keeping it in the back somehow. It would be nice to not have to buy a tire carrier.
03-18-2013 03:15 PM
sneck i keep it in the back, I folded down the seat behind the driver and it fits vertically in there; i just secure it with some ratchet straps
03-18-2013 11:47 AM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
I totally forgot to update this! JCR sent me some new internal brackets and a fresh set of hardware. I pulled the bumper off and tossed the original brackets. I also chopped about 1/3" off the receiver, painted and re-installed. it looks like trimming the hitch helped a ton, as it still is almost contacting the body, despite all the material cut off. the new brackets made installing much easier, and now it's all hooked up. the new hardware was the correct size, and the washers for the big bolts make a big difference. big thanks to mike over at JCR for working with me to clear up the issues I had initially. I took the jeep wheeling this weekend, and the bumper performed great. so I'm much happier now. and the jeep looks sexy as ever
Glad it worked out and they took care of you. I was wondering since this bumper is one of my top choices if I don't end up wanting a bumper/carrier combo. I might end up getting this bumper + Teraflex carrier.

Do you keep the spare in the back or just go without one?
03-18-2013 11:21 AM
sneck I totally forgot to update this! JCR sent me some new internal brackets and a fresh set of hardware. I pulled the bumper off and tossed the original brackets. I also chopped about 1/3" off the receiver, painted and re-installed. it looks like trimming the hitch helped a ton, as it still is almost contacting the body, despite all the material cut off. the new brackets made installing much easier, and now it's all hooked up. the new hardware was the correct size, and the washers for the big bolts make a big difference. big thanks to mike over at JCR for working with me to clear up the issues I had initially. I took the jeep wheeling this weekend, and the bumper performed great. so I'm much happier now. and the jeep looks sexy as ever



03-01-2013 01:55 PM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by JcrOffroad View Post
The factory tire will not fit on the vehicle without some kind of riser/spacer, we thought about offering one but there are already quite a few solutions out there for that already we decided not to offer it. Most of our customers that are going to be running this bumper usually opt for some other kind of tire/wheel combination than factory, I wish I had a minimum requirement of backspacing/tire size but I don't, I will look into getting that information online sometime in the future.
I have GY MTR 35 X 12.5 X 15 on a 15 X 8 wheel with 3.75" backspacing. Will that work?

Tire carrier is aftermarket. Currently Smittybilt, but may be the Teraflex hinge by then.
03-01-2013 01:51 PM
JcrOffroad
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Originally Posted by suicideking View Post
Ok great. I would have it professionally installed, so hopefully won't have any issues with it.

Is this bumper meant to be run only if you don't have a spare? There's no indentation and all the pics have no spare.
The factory tire will not fit on the vehicle without some kind of riser/spacer, we thought about offering one but there are already quite a few solutions out there for that already we decided not to offer it. Most of our customers that are going to be running this bumper usually opt for some other kind of tire/wheel combination than factory, I wish I had a minimum requirement of backspacing/tire size but I don't, I will look into getting that information online sometime in the future.
03-01-2013 12:38 PM
sneck
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Originally Posted by suicideking View Post
Ok great. I would have it professionally installed, so hopefully won't have any issues with it.

Is this bumper meant to be run only if you don't have a spare? There's no indentation and all the pics have no spare.
I'll let JCR answer, but I can't see why you wouldnt be able to run a spare. I'm not sure if you can tell from my side picture, but the bumper is very slim. the items on my tail gate cover are 2" quickfists, so if you can fit one of those behind your spare, you should be good.
03-01-2013 12:08 PM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by JcrOffroad View Post
The receiver on the Dagger rear is fully functional. Receivers come in different sizes and lengths so more than likely you will need to modify your hitch (cutting it and re-drilling the hole for the pin). This should not effect the towing ability as long as you don't mess up the hitch itself.

Mike
Ok great. I would have it professionally installed, so hopefully won't have any issues with it.

Is this bumper meant to be run only if you don't have a spare? There's no indentation and all the pics have no spare.
03-01-2013 10:33 AM
JcrOffroad
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Originally Posted by suicideking View Post
Subscribing. I've also had my eye on this bumper. Looks great and not too expensive.

I also need the hitch. I have a tent trailer, so the hitch MUST be fully functional.
The receiver on the Dagger rear is fully functional. Receivers come in different sizes and lengths so more than likely you will need to modify your hitch (cutting it and re-drilling the hole for the pin). This should not effect the towing ability as long as you don't mess up the hitch itself.

Mike
03-01-2013 10:20 AM
JcrOffroad Sneck,

Fitting a receiver into our receiver is a simple one; many hitches are different and because of the slim tight fitting nature of this bumper you will need to trim your hitch and possibly re-drill to slide it in and use the pin behind the bumper.

It was hard for me to tell from your video what additional issues you were having, was there supposed to be audio? from your video it looks like you still have about 1/8-3/6" of adjustment out away from the tub is there something else keeping it from being moved away? do you have the other 3 bolts tight or are they loose? I saw the problems about the internal brackets If you want I can have another set sent out to you and Ill personally verify that they are not welded off center.

Checked with our shipping manager and verified the bolt pack to be 4 bolts and 4 washers along with the hardware included already installed on the internal brackets. If you didnt get those I can have those sent out also if you want new internal brackets.

Regards,
Mike M.
03-01-2013 01:33 AM
suicideking Subscribing. I've also had my eye on this bumper. Looks great and not too expensive.

I also need the hitch. I have a tent trailer, so the hitch MUST be fully functional.
02-28-2013 09:35 PM
sneck
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Originally Posted by JcrOffroad View Post
Sorry to hear your having issues. We'll talk it over at the shop tomorrow and get it figured out. Shoot an e-mail to info@jcroffroad.com if you could so we have your name.
I appreciate that guys, thanks. email inc.

for the sake of transparancy, here is the email i sent

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Hey Guys, I'm the guy on the forums with some issues with the dagger I received, mostly the fact that the hitch receiver seems to contact the body, and doesn't actually allow for any hitches to be used with the bumper. I posted an entire review here though, so please let me know what you guys think. I will say, this is the second time I'm reaching out to you folks, but I assume the guy on the forums had to play banana phone to talk with the shop guys, so I understand sometimes some details can be lost in the process.

http://www.jkfreaks.com/forums/showt...R-Dagger-(Rear)

I know your test mule is a 2 door, so I have to admit I don't know if there are differences between the 4 door tub and the 2 door tub, but if you need measurements or anything just let me know. Thanks.
02-28-2013 09:18 PM
JcrOffroad Sorry to hear your having issues. We'll talk it over at the shop tomorrow and get it figured out. Shoot an e-mail to info@jcroffroad.com if you could so we have your name.
02-28-2013 09:12 PM
sneck
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Originally Posted by PieFace View Post
Im sorry to hear this,

I'm a fan of JCR, and i have some parts on order right now. Ill do a write up when they come.

Im sure if you call them they will offer you some solution.

That bumper is SUPER sexy.

Is it possible you cut too much of the frame?

I had actually asked them before if there was a static measurement point I could use to make sure I didnt cut off too much or too little. I was told "no". however, there are static mounting points. basically, on both sides the JCR bumper has slots for bolts to use in the factory bumper bolt location. the slots are maxed out for me in the rear most position, so the bumper can only move in towards the engine, it cant move any further away
02-28-2013 08:28 PM
PieFace Im sorry to hear this,

I'm a fan of JCR, and i have some parts on order right now. Ill do a write up when they come.

Im sure if you call them they will offer you some solution.

That bumper is SUPER sexy.

Is it possible you cut too much of the frame?
02-28-2013 06:53 PM
sneck
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Originally Posted by kramer2k View Post
Damn.

Too bad it had all these issues. You're right, it's a sexy looking bumper. Did you test fit everything up before painting it? JCR has been good lately about remedying problems for customers if they call the guys at JCR.
you cant test fit without cutting the frame, so it makes it kinda a moot point. would have been nice to know before hand that the receiver doesnt work, but hey, thats why i posted!

i will say, i reached out to JCR regarding everything, and they eventually got back to me and said they havnt seen any brackets made poorly or had any issues about the hitch. didnt even mention the hardware issue. suggested I try trimming back the hitch a bit so it doesnt contact the body (but that doesnt help, at all, other than to avoid body damage).

maybe i should have called in instead of PMing them, but really, theres no good fix for this. my plan, since i only use the hitch for carrying bikes, is just to chop down the hitch i put in there. its just a crappy solution
02-28-2013 06:05 PM
kramer2k Damn.

Too bad it had all these issues. You're right, it's a sexy looking bumper. Did you test fit everything up before painting it? JCR has been good lately about remedying problems for customers if they call the guys at JCR.
02-28-2013 05:59 PM
LarsA Yikes! Sorry to hear about your troubles, but thanks for sharing! I thought about the JCRs myself, but ended up with Expedition One (front & rear, w/tire carrier.) A somewhat pricier set-up (bought mine with powder coating), but everything fit just perfectly. Their written instructions were seriously lacking in detail, but thanks to other user videos and detailed write-ups, I got 'er done.

I'm sure the folks at JCR will chime in once they see your review; hope you get some kind of resolution.
02-28-2013 05:23 PM
sneck
JCR Dagger (Rear)

So, since I realized when I posted this thread on another forum someone pointed out to me they had the exact same issues, and I felt dumb for not having seen their thread. Then I realized, its because there are no threads on the forums I usually look at about this bumper. So here it is, my review of the JCR Rear Dagger Bumper!

So before I get into my long winded posted about why I'm unhappy with this bumper, lets start with the good stuff. It's sexy. No getting around that! Too bad I suck at painting since apperently after one rain storm its got tons of surface rust, but hey, at least I saved money going with JCR! :mad-new: I ordered this through Jason at Krawl Offroad, and it comes in a bit over 400 shipped with the hitch and d ring mounts. It ships bare, so its up to you to get it painted. I went with the rustoleum self etching primer for the base, and then rustoleum hammered metallic finish for the top. Looks great IMO. (I will apologize now, my phone is being weird, and i can only take pictures with the front facing camera, so quality is crappy.)





Now, the bumper gives me the look I was going for. I wanted sleek, and buggyish. I think I nailed the look. Now, lets get onto the shitty stuff.

This bumper style is offered by JCR and PSC. Both require cutting the frame, and removing the cross member. The only difference is the hitch. I wanted a hitch to carry bikes when I go up to NH or head to Cape Cod. I mean, it doesn't matter why I want it, I use it, so I need it. First things first, the hitch contacts the body.





The bumper itself cant move any further from the body, as the slots for the holes are at the max distance. On top of that, I'm sure you eagle eyed folks notice how close the cross pin hole is to the end. Yeah, thats right. You can't actually use the cross pin. This makes the hitch completely useless. Even if I got in there with an angle grinder to make a bit of a gap between the hitch and the body, it wouldnt matter, because I can't use it.

So that blows.

Beyond that, the hardware I was sent was the wrong size. Kinda annoyed about that, because it means a run to the hardware store. Speaking of having to buy extra stuff, I wish JCR had sent washers, because I crushed the mounting brackets with the big bolt just tightening it with a ratchet



The bolt head is barely larger than the slot that is cut for it, so without a washer, it is pretty useless.

The other issue I had, which I wish I had pictures of, are the internal brackets themselves. JCR says they use a jig to form their parts, so that its unlikely for errors. However, of the 6 welded nuts on my 2 brackets, only 2 of them were centered in the holes drilled for them. This means that even installing the bracket, without the bumper, on the drivers side (the drivers side uses all factory holes) the bolts are all cocked when threaded in. With the bumper on it makes it even harder to line up the holes and bolts. And speaking of being unable to line up anything, check out the video I shot. It shows all the issues, including the fact that there are still 2 holes I can't get bolts into! (Again, phone being weird, seems to be no sound so sorry about that)

[video=youtube;GnEL9nDFRKM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnEL9nDFRKM&list=UUVCNxUNgrVZmUYtu0Ulyz8g& index=1[/video]


Now, I don't want to sound overly whiny, but this really sucks. You can't test fit the bumper without cutting off the frame. And at this point, I'm pretty much stuck with it, as I'm not about to take a loss just to buy the PSC. I mentioned these issues to JCR (the hitch, the hardware not fitting, the poor QC on the brackets), and my only request had been for new internal brackets. JCR messaged me back saying to grind off a bit of the hitch, and that their brackets are perfect.

So I don't recommend buying this bumper. In general, I wouldn't buy anything from JCR after the way they didn't seem to care about the fact that the only reason I bought their bumper is pretty much the only thing that doesn't work with it. I head read on another forum about a 4door owner who bought the rock rails, and nothing fit because they had never test fitted the rails to a 4 door. I feel the same way about the hitch, it blows my mind that they never bothered sticking something in the hitch receiver to see if it was even usable. Not very happy, and even less happy that they don't seem to care.

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