|04-01-2013 03:07 PM|
|Lowerumble||Any fresh pics would be appreciated. I am still on the fence on this one....|
|04-01-2013 02:50 PM|
|Goofyjumper||Thank you for this thread. I have one of these bumpers sitting in my garage waiting to be installed and this is all helpful information.|
|03-24-2013 07:42 PM|
|03-24-2013 07:16 PM|
so, just so no one thinks my rig is just a mall crawler, a few shots from this weekends run. a found a nice rock to try out the new bumper profile on. not the best shots, but you can see how vertical this rock pushes the jeep. i wasnt able to make it up (stupid lack of rear locker) but I got the back tires to the bottom without hitting the bumper. when I went back down it, same thing, was able to go down that without hitting the bumper. so very cool
I've done that run before with the same setup and my old bumper, and I know if I tried to reverse from the climb or drive down over it, i would bash the bumper over everything. so real improvement in clearance
|03-18-2013 03:53 PM|
|03-18-2013 03:49 PM|
|03-18-2013 03:15 PM|
|sneck||i keep it in the back, I folded down the seat behind the driver and it fits vertically in there; i just secure it with some ratchet straps|
|03-18-2013 11:47 AM|
Do you keep the spare in the back or just go without one?
|03-18-2013 11:21 AM|
I totally forgot to update this! JCR sent me some new internal brackets and a fresh set of hardware. I pulled the bumper off and tossed the original brackets. I also chopped about 1/3" off the receiver, painted and re-installed. it looks like trimming the hitch helped a ton, as it still is almost contacting the body, despite all the material cut off. the new brackets made installing much easier, and now it's all hooked up. the new hardware was the correct size, and the washers for the big bolts make a big difference. big thanks to mike over at JCR for working with me to clear up the issues I had initially. I took the jeep wheeling this weekend, and the bumper performed great. so I'm much happier now. and the jeep looks sexy as ever
|03-01-2013 01:55 PM|
Tire carrier is aftermarket. Currently Smittybilt, but may be the Teraflex hinge by then.
|03-01-2013 01:51 PM|
|03-01-2013 12:38 PM|
|03-01-2013 12:08 PM|
Is this bumper meant to be run only if you don't have a spare? There's no indentation and all the pics have no spare.
|03-01-2013 10:33 AM|
|03-01-2013 10:20 AM|
Fitting a receiver into our receiver is a simple one; many hitches are different and because of the slim tight fitting nature of this bumper you will need to trim your hitch and possibly re-drill to slide it in and use the pin behind the bumper.
It was hard for me to tell from your video what additional issues you were having, was there supposed to be audio? from your video it looks like you still have about 1/8-3/6" of adjustment out away from the tub is there something else keeping it from being moved away? do you have the other 3 bolts tight or are they loose? I saw the problems about the internal brackets If you want I can have another set sent out to you and Ill personally verify that they are not welded off center.
Checked with our shipping manager and verified the bolt pack to be 4 bolts and 4 washers along with the hardware included already installed on the internal brackets. If you didnt get those I can have those sent out also if you want new internal brackets.
|03-01-2013 01:33 AM|
Subscribing. I've also had my eye on this bumper. Looks great and not too expensive.
I also need the hitch. I have a tent trailer, so the hitch MUST be fully functional.
|02-28-2013 09:35 PM|
for the sake of transparancy, here is the email i sent
|02-28-2013 09:18 PM|
|JcrOffroad||Sorry to hear your having issues. We'll talk it over at the shop tomorrow and get it figured out. Shoot an e-mail to email@example.com if you could so we have your name.|
|02-28-2013 09:12 PM|
I had actually asked them before if there was a static measurement point I could use to make sure I didnt cut off too much or too little. I was told "no". however, there are static mounting points. basically, on both sides the JCR bumper has slots for bolts to use in the factory bumper bolt location. the slots are maxed out for me in the rear most position, so the bumper can only move in towards the engine, it cant move any further away
|02-28-2013 08:28 PM|
Im sorry to hear this,
I'm a fan of JCR, and i have some parts on order right now. Ill do a write up when they come.
Im sure if you call them they will offer you some solution.
That bumper is SUPER sexy.
Is it possible you cut too much of the frame?
|02-28-2013 06:53 PM|
i will say, i reached out to JCR regarding everything, and they eventually got back to me and said they havnt seen any brackets made poorly or had any issues about the hitch. didnt even mention the hardware issue. suggested I try trimming back the hitch a bit so it doesnt contact the body (but that doesnt help, at all, other than to avoid body damage).
maybe i should have called in instead of PMing them, but really, theres no good fix for this. my plan, since i only use the hitch for carrying bikes, is just to chop down the hitch i put in there. its just a crappy solution
|02-28-2013 06:05 PM|
Too bad it had all these issues. You're right, it's a sexy looking bumper. Did you test fit everything up before painting it? JCR has been good lately about remedying problems for customers if they call the guys at JCR.
|02-28-2013 05:59 PM|
Yikes! Sorry to hear about your troubles, but thanks for sharing! I thought about the JCRs myself, but ended up with Expedition One (front & rear, w/tire carrier.) A somewhat pricier set-up (bought mine with powder coating), but everything fit just perfectly. Their written instructions were seriously lacking in detail, but thanks to other user videos and detailed write-ups, I got 'er done.
I'm sure the folks at JCR will chime in once they see your review; hope you get some kind of resolution.
|02-28-2013 05:23 PM|
JCR Dagger (Rear)
So, since I realized when I posted this thread on another forum someone pointed out to me they had the exact same issues, and I felt dumb for not having seen their thread. Then I realized, its because there are no threads on the forums I usually look at about this bumper. So here it is, my review of the JCR Rear Dagger Bumper!
So before I get into my long winded posted about why I'm unhappy with this bumper, lets start with the good stuff. It's sexy. No getting around that! Too bad I suck at painting since apperently after one rain storm its got tons of surface rust, but hey, at least I saved money going with JCR! :mad-new: I ordered this through Jason at Krawl Offroad, and it comes in a bit over 400 shipped with the hitch and d ring mounts. It ships bare, so its up to you to get it painted. I went with the rustoleum self etching primer for the base, and then rustoleum hammered metallic finish for the top. Looks great IMO. (I will apologize now, my phone is being weird, and i can only take pictures with the front facing camera, so quality is crappy.)
Now, the bumper gives me the look I was going for. I wanted sleek, and buggyish. I think I nailed the look. Now, lets get onto the shitty stuff.
This bumper style is offered by JCR and PSC. Both require cutting the frame, and removing the cross member. The only difference is the hitch. I wanted a hitch to carry bikes when I go up to NH or head to Cape Cod. I mean, it doesn't matter why I want it, I use it, so I need it. First things first, the hitch contacts the body.
The bumper itself cant move any further from the body, as the slots for the holes are at the max distance. On top of that, I'm sure you eagle eyed folks notice how close the cross pin hole is to the end. Yeah, thats right. You can't actually use the cross pin. This makes the hitch completely useless. Even if I got in there with an angle grinder to make a bit of a gap between the hitch and the body, it wouldnt matter, because I can't use it.
So that blows.
Beyond that, the hardware I was sent was the wrong size. Kinda annoyed about that, because it means a run to the hardware store. Speaking of having to buy extra stuff, I wish JCR had sent washers, because I crushed the mounting brackets with the big bolt just tightening it with a ratchet
The bolt head is barely larger than the slot that is cut for it, so without a washer, it is pretty useless.
The other issue I had, which I wish I had pictures of, are the internal brackets themselves. JCR says they use a jig to form their parts, so that its unlikely for errors. However, of the 6 welded nuts on my 2 brackets, only 2 of them were centered in the holes drilled for them. This means that even installing the bracket, without the bumper, on the drivers side (the drivers side uses all factory holes) the bolts are all cocked when threaded in. With the bumper on it makes it even harder to line up the holes and bolts. And speaking of being unable to line up anything, check out the video I shot. It shows all the issues, including the fact that there are still 2 holes I can't get bolts into! (Again, phone being weird, seems to be no sound so sorry about that)
Now, I don't want to sound overly whiny, but this really sucks. You can't test fit the bumper without cutting off the frame. And at this point, I'm pretty much stuck with it, as I'm not about to take a loss just to buy the PSC. I mentioned these issues to JCR (the hitch, the hardware not fitting, the poor QC on the brackets), and my only request had been for new internal brackets. JCR messaged me back saying to grind off a bit of the hitch, and that their brackets are perfect.
So I don't recommend buying this bumper. In general, I wouldn't buy anything from JCR after the way they didn't seem to care about the fact that the only reason I bought their bumper is pretty much the only thing that doesn't work with it. I head read on another forum about a 4door owner who bought the rock rails, and nothing fit because they had never test fitted the rails to a 4 door. I feel the same way about the hitch, it blows my mind that they never bothered sticking something in the hitch receiver to see if it was even usable. Not very happy, and even less happy that they don't seem to care.