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04-17-2009 07:51 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
Where was the paranoia?
04-17-2009 07:03 PM
4point
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Originally Posted by jupiterboy View Post
04-17-2009 06:53 PM
jupiterboy YouTube - Tea Party Paranoia in Cleveland
04-17-2009 11:01 AM
skeeter Remember to include a note with your tea bags so your representatives know what it means, they can't be bothered to keep up with what's going on with the peasants.

mySouTex.com - Tax protester in hot water over tea bags
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A Beeville grandmother who sent tea bag tabs to Washington and Austin earlier this month found herself at police headquarters Monday answering questions about her intentions.

“I’m just a normal person. I’m a single grandmother raising two granddaughters,” said Faye Freeman Tuesday morning.

So imagine her reaction when Texas Ranger Andy Lopez and Beeville Police Department Staff Sgt. Richard Cantu came to her door Monday and told her they wanted her to go to the police department for questioning.

The reason? Freeman had mailed the tags from 64 tea bags to different elected representatives in Austin and Washington on April 4 to protest government spending. And one of the recipients had called the authorities to report her, saying he or she had received something suspicious in the mail from a woman in Beeville.

“If you were on the receiving end of something like that, what would you think?” Freeman said Lopez asked her.

“If I’d got something like that, I would have called the person back and said, ‘Can I help you?’” was her response.

When investigators asked if she thought she would open a suspicious envelope that had no return address, Freeman said, “The envelope had my return address on it.”

Later she asked this reporter, “How did they find me if there was no return address?”

Freeman was doing what thousands of working taxpayers are doing this month as part of a protest against increased government spending and coming tax increases.

Instead of sending tea bags, the grandmother decided to send the tabs from the bags and use the tea herself.

When she was asked why it was that she did not include a note in the letter explaining why she was sending the tabs, she had a simple answer. “That would have been an awful lot of writing.”

Freeman sent the envelopes to everyone in Washington and Austin she thought might listen. That included President Barack Obama, her U.S. senators and a number of representatives, state senators and representatives.

“When you do something like this you want to cover the chain of command,” she said.

But she never expected lawmen to show up at her door asking her to go downtown.

“I’m really surprised it happened,” Freeman said. “You should have seen my neighbors. I’m just a normal person and when the Texas Rangers came looking for me, they said, ‘Oh my goodness, what’s going on?’”

“I was stunned to start with,” Freeman said. “I didn’t have any idea. They kept assuring me that I wouldn’t be arrested.”

“They were polite. I didn’t have any problems answering their questions,” Freeman commented.

She said she planned to attend the tea party scheduled for the Bee County Courthouse lawn this morning. The entire tea bag tab incident was related to that event, a protest against the government for spending big and taxing big at a time when regular people are trying to make ends meet.

Other Bee County residents also mailed off tea bags to state and national representatives, but unlike Freeman most included a note of explanation with theirs.

“It seems to me that they keep wanting to tax people but they aren’t listening to what we want,” Freeman said. To her, that is taxation without representation, the reason the first tea party was held in Boston at the beginning of the American Revolution.

Lopez said he cannot comment much on the investigation. He said he received a call from someone who was concerned about the letter received from Freeman.

Lopez said he believes if she had included a letter explaining her feelings in the envelope there might not have been a complaint.

“I was asked to look into it, to see if there was anything fishy about it,” Lopez said of the envelope. “I was enlightened by Mrs. Freeman.”

Lopez did suggest that she might have been more clear with her intentions by including a note or letter of some kind. He said that when she said it would have taken a lot of writing to include a letter in each of the 64 envelopes, he simply suggested that she could have written one letter and made copies.

Lopez admitted that he had not kept up with the news regarding the tea party movement but he understands the intent now.

“She’s articulate and she seems sincere and genuine about that,” Lopez said.

As far as the tea bag letters and tea party protests planned for Wednesday across the nation, Lopez said he could understand the intent.

“This is America,” Lopez said. “Whatever makes your boat float.”
04-17-2009 10:19 AM
skeeter I expect and understand liberal bias from a liberal website, we shouldn't have to expect blatant bias from an organization that presents itself as a legitimate news outlet.
04-16-2009 06:57 PM
jupiterboy Just sampling the spin.
04-16-2009 06:26 PM
skeeter Hmm, nobody offered to pay me to go. Nobody offered a free ride. Nobody was handing out free signs that I saw. I heard about this through message boards long before any talking heads mentioned it, and in fact Glenn Beck, when he first heard of it said he thought it was poor timing, we should wait till after obama raised taxes.
A few idiots tried to change it into something it's not but the vast majority of the people at the rally I attended had signs against higher taxes and out of control spending.

I forgot my camera but here's a thread with plenty of good ones.
Official Tax Day 2009 TEA PARTY IMAGE THREAD ! - AK47.NET
04-16-2009 10:48 AM
jupiterboy Also

Fake Teabaggers Are Anti-Spend, Anti-Government: Real Populists Want to Stop Banks from Plundering America | Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace | AlterNet

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FreedomWorks is now running the show completely out in the open, coordinating a vast and confusing army of Web sites, selling Tea Party merchandise (with proceeds going straight into FreedomWorks' coffers) and tapping Republican celebrities for speaker slots. Fox News will provide around-the-clock, coast-to-coast coverage of today's Tea Party event. (The network's newest star, Glenn Beck, will hold a $500-a-plate fundraiser for the cause before zooming over to a tea party scheduled to take place at the Alamo in San Antonio.) Last week, Newt Gingrich, former Georgia congressman and Speaker of the House, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced they'll keynote tea parties of their own in Texas and New York.

The Tea Parties have gone large — and they've gone populist. Today's Tea Parties are sure to dwarf the duds of February. Somehow, a movement that was exposed as a fraud has persevered and morphed into something that is channeling and redirecting legitimate concerns about Obama's handling of the financial crisis.

To understand what the Tea Parties are really about, timeline is everything. The Tea Parties were never about the little guy's fight against big government or Wall Street. FreedomWorks did not uncork Santelli while the government was bailing out the banks. The FreedomWorks machine was idle while Citibank and GE pocketed their billions. (The latter, incidentally, is a big donor to FreedomWorks). Freedomworks kicked off its anti-tax, anti-spending movement only when the government announced it would give money to regular Americans to help avoid a wave of housing foreclosures.

How did the right-wing get people behind its absurd and unpopular economic platform of tax cuts, deregulation, status-quo health care, slashed entitlements and leaving homeowners to the wolves?

Enter the AIG-bonus scandal and a steady trickle of news about the mismanagement of the bailout billions and the corrupt backroom cronyism that has guided the whole process, from the Henry Paulson era straight into the Larry Summers/Tim Geithner era. These developments, all under liberal Democratic governance, enraged a lot of people and muddied the waters of outrage — and policy.

The AIG-bonus scandal put a handle on the irresponsible government policies that the Tea Party movement was supposedly rallying against. What could be more irresponsible than allowing financial executives that got America into this mess to walk away with multi-million dollar bonuses lifted from taxpayer money? The same people who cost millions of Americans their jobs and homes were taking what was left of the kitty to ensure that they could maintain their mansions-and-yachts lifestyles.

The Right twisted the issue by getting people to focus their rage on the government exclusively, forgetting the banker (who, in the conservative mind, is being overtaxed). The problem is the Left has been subdued, to put it mildly, in channeling rage at the bankers, in part because Obama's economic team in many ways is the bankers.
04-16-2009 09:27 AM
skeeter The media are sure showing their colors in their reporting of the events.

CNN Correspondent Claims Tea Parties 'Anti-Government,' 'Anti-CNN' | NewsBusters.org
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CNN Correspondent Claims Tea Parties 'Anti-Government,' 'Anti-CNN'
Photo of Julia A. Seymour.
By Julia A. Seymour (Bio | Archive)
April 15, 2009 - 15:57 ET

CNN is finally covering the tea parties - by attacking the participants. After anchor Anderson Cooper made an obscene sexual joke about attendees, CNN correspondent Susan Roesgen rudely interrupted one of the protestors and slammed the event for being "anti-government," "anti-CNN," and "not really family viewing."

Roesgen asked a man holding his toddler, "Why are you here today?" The man started to respond saying, "Because I hear a president say that he believed in what Lincoln stood for. Lincoln's primary thing was he believed people had the right to liberty and they had the right..."

But Roesgen cut him off him, saying, "But sir, what does that have to do with taxes? What does this have to do with your taxes?" She continued asking questions over his as he asked her to "let me finish my point." One crowd member was heard to yell "shut up" to the Roesgen.

When the man finished his statement about people having the "right to the fruits of their own labor" and "government should not take it," Roesgen began arguing with him again and other protesters began to get upset.

Roesgen backed away claiming that "you get the general tenor of this," tea party. "Anti-government, anti-CNN since this is highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox and since I can't really hear much more and I think this is not really family viewing. Toss it back to you Kyra," Roesgen concluded.

Phillips followed by calling that assessment "a "prime example of what we're following across the country."

—Julia A. Seymour is an assistant editor for the Business & Media Institute.
04-16-2009 07:44 AM
dos0711 Anti-tax rally draws a raucous crowd - Jacksonville,Florida

But the 'tea' dumped in the St. Johns was water from the river itself

Some of the signs presented punchy phrases like “boot the bankers.”

Then there was the play on words: “Give me liberty, not debt.” Another was part revolutionary, part pop song: “Gonna party like it’s 1773.”

The placards protruded from a bulky crowd gathered Wednesday at The Jacksonville Landing to shout they’d had enough with the way the government handles money.

Among the speakers at the First Coast Tea Party was a young boy who described how his personal share of the national debt would rise by tens of thousands of dollars as he grows older.

“My name’s Michael. I’m 10 years old and I’m too young to be in debt,” he said, inciting a roar from the audience.

Chris Nwasike, a Duval County Young Republicans committeeman and an event emcee, estimated attendance between 2,000 and 3,000 people as faces shifted in and out of the lunch-hour crowd.

“This is why you’re here today,” Nwasike told the audience as their applause for the indebted 10-year-old faded. “It’s about the children and their futures.”

Wednesday’s event took its name from the Boston Tea Party, the iconic revolt key in the buildup to the American Revolution.

The “tea” dumped in the St. Johns River was water from the river itself. Still, it made for a symbol on a day of protest.

Jesse Duke, 56, of Fernandina Beach said he came to the rally to take a stand against government-funded bailouts, which pumped federal subsidies into struggling private-sector companies.

“I’m fed up with this government,” he said, waving a sign that said, “Stop spending. Stop borrowing. Cut taxes and go home.” He called it a message for the majority of Congress, a body of legislators carrying a 34 percent approval rating, according to poll-tracking organization Real Clear Politics.

“We should allow failing companies to fail and failing individuals to fail,” Duke said. “That’s how people learn. From mistakes.”
04-16-2009 07:22 AM
JCS05Rubi I was at the Annapolis Tea Party. A buddy of mine went to DC instead of Annapolis. Glade I didn't go to that one. Right around the time Fox News came in, the SS said someone "threw" something onto the white house lawn and it would take 3 hours to clear the park. Most people left, only a few hundred stayed.

The Annapolis tea parties, as well as the other tea parties in Maryland, were a success I would say. LOTS of people showed up despite POURING rain, and being in the 40s.

One of the speakers mentioned the UK and Denmark were having TEA parties as well.
04-16-2009 05:09 AM
jupiterboy PG Tips FTMFW
04-15-2009 10:23 PM
Scout I drank so much tea today I think I'll be awake for the next two weeks straight. Oh well, I participated. Right?
04-15-2009 09:39 PM
skeeter I agree.
04-15-2009 09:11 PM
jupiterboy There seems to be a bunch of static about this issue. If you read it one way they don't want a list of the banks that couldn't afford to give it back to get out because if the public black balls them the money would have been wasted (and probably was wasted anyway). A kind of PR catch 22.

Everyone should get out with a sign every once in a while and feel the wrath of their fellow Americans as they drive by and shout.
04-15-2009 08:26 PM
skeeter Just got back from our tea party. It was pretty good, I got there a little late and had a hell of a time finding parking, once I got parked and hoofed it to the event I was stuck at the out fringe. More people showed up than I expected.
A few obama supporters drove by screaming that we were all racists and obama "was gonna teach us" but only one had the courage to stand up for his convictions and walk up with a sign. A few people took pictures of hi but most just ignored him and he only stuck around about 15 minutes.
I was far enough back that hearing the speakers was difficult but what I did hear was pretty good.
I wish I would have remembered my camera.
Overall I was impressed.
04-15-2009 08:20 PM
skeeter CNSNews.com - Treasury Won't Say If It Has Refused to Allow Banks to Give Back 'Bailout' Money
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Treasury Won't Say If It Has Refused to Allow Banks to Give Back 'Bailout' Money
Thursday, April 09, 2009
By Matt Cover


(CNSNews.com) – The Treasury Department won't reveal the names of financial firms that are seeking to return the funds they received late last year and this year under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)--funds the firms no longer want and would like to give back to the Treasury in return for the federal government surrendering the ownership interests it took in the firms.

Despite repeated requests for the information from CNSNews.com, Treasury spokesman Andrew Williams wouldn’t say how many financial institutions want to give the money back in exchange for getting their stock back.

Williams said the government would only release the names of those banks that have successfully returned the money.

“We don't release the names of those who have applied until we approve the allocation,” he said.

The Treasury Department also will not say whether it has refused any requests from financial institutions to repay the money they took from the government.

“I've got nothing for you," Williams said, when asked if Treasury had refused to take TARP money back from a firm.

So far, five small financial institutions have been allowed to return TARP--or so-called bank “bailout”--money, according to department data that is available. A total of $353 million has been returned.

Three additional firms have applied to return their TARP funds, according to announcements from the banks themselves.

One institution, TCF Financial, which is based in the Minneapolis suburb of Wayzata, Minn., said it has been waiting since early March to hear whether Treasury will return the stock it owns in TCF in return for getting the money back.

“In truth we just haven’t heard one way or another, so they’re still looking at it and reviewing it and we hope to get an answer soon,” TCF spokesman Jason Korstange told CNSNews.com.

TCF, which is the largest bank to have attempted to return taxpayers’ money, wants to give back $361.2 million in bailout funds it says it didn’t need in the first place.

If successful, it would more than double the amount of public money returned to Treasury.

Korstange said that TCF was approached by Treasury to participate in its Capital Purchase Program because it is a healthy bank, but that recent changes in the program and statements from political leaders cast its participation in a negative light.

Korstange said his bank wants to return the money because of “all the changes” that have been forced on TARP.

Treasury came to the bank with the money, he said, not vice versa.

“When we took the money, it was because only the good banks were going to get the money, the strong banks,” Korstange told CNSNews.com. “We believe that we are and we know that we are a strong bank and that’s why they came to us and asked that we take it (TARP money).

“Then public perception, quite frankly, led by some of the politicians, changed--it became bailout money and it completely changed the perception of what (the TARP program) is.”

After Congress began considering additional limits on executive pay and closer inspections of participating banks, TCF decided to get out as soon as it could.

“Once that happened, the politicians decided they could run the banks (and) that they could tell us all the things we can and cannot do,” Korstange said. “So we just said, ‘Hey, we don’t need this, we didn’t need it at the beginning, and we’ll give it back to you.’"

Two other firms have announced they have applied to return the money they received from TARP--Sun Bancorp of Vineland, N.J., and Shore Bancshares of Easton, Md.

Sun, which applied March 11, said it expects to repay the funds this week. Shore Bancshares applied on March 26 and has not announced whether it will be allowed to return the money.

The other banks who have sought to return the money echoed TCF’s concerns, saying that congressional and administration actions have changed the rules and "stigmatized" their participation, creating a competitive disadvantage, especially executive compensation requirements and proposed federal regulation.
04-15-2009 10:46 AM
jupiterboy
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Obama's economic stimulus plan, enacted in February, changed the rules to allow banks to pay back the money ahead of schedule. Congress also tightened the restrictions on bonuses and dividend payouts for banks that took TARP money after a public outcry over Wall Street executives leading lavish lifestyles while average Americans lost jobs and saw retirement accounts dwindle.

Wwith economic indicators beginning to turn around, banks are returning the money in part to escape the increasingly tough restrictions. Six smaller banks have returned a total of $442 million in TARP funds, plus 5 percent interest as required by the bailout program.

Larger banks, including Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America, are also aiming to return bailout funds.
Signs of Economic Recovery Fuel Debate Over Federal Bailout Program - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com
04-15-2009 10:34 AM
evilray Lets say by means of analogy that someone is a really lousy parent. It comes to the authorites attention that the children there are in danger, so they are removed and placed into protective care. The parent wants control of the kids back and makes a bunch of promises. Should the children be returned before its determined that the parenht has the capability to keep any of the promises, much less intends to do so?
04-15-2009 10:16 AM
jupiterboy http://www.cnbc.com/id/30208169/for/cnbc/

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By: Reuters | 14 Apr 2009 | 06:22 PM ET
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By Karey Wutkowski and Jonathan Stempel

WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Goldman Sachs Group Inc <GS.N> sold $5 billion of stock to help fulfill what it called its "duty" to repay a federal bailout, but the government worries a quick return of funds could pressure other banks to repay their aid prematurely.

The sale of 40.65 million shares at $123 each gives the bank roughly half what it needs to return the $10 billion of taxpayer money it took from the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

"We never believed the investment of taxpayer funds was intended to be permanent," Goldman CFO David Viniar said on a conference call on Tuesday. "We view it as our duty to return the funds, as long as we can do it without negatively impacting our financial profile, or ability to act as a central liquidity provider to the global capital markets."

Viniar said repayment would depend on regulatory approval and the results of a government "stress test" gauging Goldman's ability to weather a deep recession. Nineteen banks are undergoing such tests, which are to be completed this month.

Repaying the funds would free Goldman from many government restrictions, including caps on executive pay. Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein's compensation fell to $1.1 million last year from $70.3 million in 2007, Goldman's proxy filing shows.

The bank said it retains a $164 billion pool of cash and liquid assets that it could use to buy troubled assets and loans as rivals pare their balance sheets.

Tuesday's stock sale came a day after Goldman posted better-then-expected quarterly profit, bolstered by substantial risk taking, and after the bank's shares had more than doubled from their record low of $47.44 last November 21.

Some investors who bought the new stock, however, may have had quick losses. Goldman shares posted their largest percentage drop since January 20, closing down $15.04, or 11.6 percent, at $115.11 on the New York Stock Exchange. A Standard & Poor's index of financial stocks <.GSPF> fell 7.7 percent.

OBAMA EYES BANK CAPITAL, LENDING

The Treasury Department declined to comment on Goldman's plan to repay the TARP funds, but regulators did not indicate any efforts to block it. A Treasury spokesman said that, in general, financial firms raising private capital is a positive step.

While repaying TARP might show Goldman's strength, policymakers worry it could "harm the recovery effort" by prompting other banks to return their bailout money too soon, limiting lending capacity, a person familiar with the Obama administration's thinking said. The person was not authorized to speak publicly.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said President Barack Obama did not want the government to run every troubled bank, and that banks had a "need for responsibility" in paying employees.

Obama, in a speech in Washington, said that if banks need more capital and cannot raise it privately, the government will "force the necessary adjustments" and provide support to clean up the lenders' balance sheets.
04-15-2009 09:37 AM
skeeter Barack Obama Maintains Control Over Banks By Refusing to Accept Repayment of TARP Money - WSJ.com
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Obama Wants to Control the Banks
There's a reason he refuses to accept repayment of TARP money.


By STUART VARNEY

I must be naive. I really thought the administration would welcome the return of bank bailout money. Some $340 million in TARP cash flowed back this week from four small banks in Louisiana, New York, Indiana and California. This isn't much when we routinely talk in trillions, but clearly that money has not been wasted or otherwise sunk down Wall Street's black hole. So why no cheering as the cash comes back?

My answer: The government wants to control the banks, just as it now controls GM and Chrysler, and will surely control the health industry in the not-too-distant future. Keeping them TARP-stuffed is the key to control. And for this intensely political president, mere influence is not enough. The White House wants to tell 'em what to do. Control. Direct. Command.

It is not for nothing that rage has been turned on those wicked financiers. The banks are at the core of the administration's thrust: By managing the money, government can steer the whole economy even more firmly down the left fork in the road.

If the banks are forced to keep TARP cash -- which was often forced on them in the first place -- the Obama team can work its will on the financial system to unprecedented degree. That's what's happening right now.

Here's a true story first reported by my Fox News colleague Andrew Napolitano (with the names and some details obscured to prevent retaliation). Under the Bush team a prominent and profitable bank, under threat of a damaging public audit, was forced to accept less than $1 billion of TARP money. The government insisted on buying a new class of preferred stock which gave it a tiny, minority position. The money flowed to the bank. Arguably, back then, the Bush administration was acting for purely economic reasons. It wanted to recapitalize the banks to halt a financial panic.

Fast forward to today, and that same bank is begging to give the money back. The chairman offers to write a check, now, with interest. He's been sitting on the cash for months and has felt the dead hand of government threatening to run his business and dictate pay scales. He sees the writing on the wall and he wants out. But the Obama team says no, since unlike the smaller banks that gave their TARP money back, this bank is far more prominent. The bank has also been threatened with "adverse" consequences if its chairman persists. That's politics talking, not economics.

Think about it: If Rick Wagoner can be fired and compact cars can be mandated, why can't a bank with a vault full of TARP money be told where to lend? And since politics drives this administration, why can't special loans and terms be offered to favored constituents, favored industries, or even favored regions? Our prosperity has never been based on the political allocation of credit -- until now.

Which brings me to the Pay for Performance Act, just passed by the House. This is an outstanding example of class warfare. I'm an Englishman. We invented class warfare, and I know it when I see it. This legislation allows the administration to dictate pay for anyone working in any company that takes a dime of TARP money. This is a whip with which to thrash the unpopular bankers, a tool to advance the Obama administration's goal of controlling the financial system.

After 35 years in America, I never thought I would see this. I still can't quite believe we will sit by as this crisis is used to hand control of our economy over to government. But here we are, on the brink. Clearly, I have been naive.

Mr. Varney is a host on the Fox Business Network.
04-15-2009 09:20 AM
jupiterboy
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If the banks were in as bad shape as the government was claiming, how can they be giving it back? And why is the government telling them they can't?
I believe the banks were making the claim and the government was an echo chamber. Remember the fist 350 billion? The government is not telling them they can’t. Golden Slacks just had a big stock issue to raise the money to pay back the government, aka we the people. Several smaller banks have already given money back. Evidently, the prospect of limited bonuses combined with the possibility that the government will make public the asset situation has cooled the jets of the cry for help. If you recall, I had mentioned in a previous post that I thought this might be a tactic.

If I were to guess again, this will all be leaked out slowly and strategically because the fear is those with strong hands will be separated from the weak and the public will punish the "bad banks". The end result would be a spike in unemployment at a critical moment.

As much as you don’t like ACORN or the media, the hysteria in the general public over AIG was given support to those in the government to play the proletariat card, even if the motivations are not as pure as we would have them be.
04-15-2009 08:58 AM
skeeter The tea parties were in the works well before the AIG bonuses.
The AIG protests were organized, and the bus provided by ACORN, it was still a bust.

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Activists vent at AIG executives
By Michael P. Mayko
STAFF WRITER
Updated: 03/24/2009 03:15:39 PM EDT


Hollywood has its bus tours of celebrity homes.

New York City has its bus tours of mob hits.

So why not pack a bus with community activists, invite a representative from every media organization in the free world and see the Fairfield County mansions of the "filthy rich and most recently infamous" -- American International Group executives. After all, these are the people who packed their wallets with millions in taxpayer bailout bonuses for helping take their company and the U.S. economy down the tubes, organizers said.

And that's exactly what the Working Families Party and ACORN did Saturday morning.

Unfortunately, traffic and the slow-moving caravan of news media that followed only allowed the bus enough
time to stop near the estates of two Fairfield AIG executives, both who promised to return their bonuses after their names were disclosed.

The media, from as far away as Montreal, Germany and the Netherlands, outnumbered the demonstrators by three-to-one. And the demonstrators played to the boom mics, clicking camera shutters and whirling videotapes with a noisy but well-mannered demonstration outside AIG's Financial Products headquarters at 50 Danbury Road in Wilton. The protest took place under the watchful eyes of nearly a quarter of Wilton's 44-member police force and four private security officers.
If the banks were in as bad shape as the government was claiming, how can they be giving it back? And why is the government telling them they can't?
04-15-2009 06:58 AM
jupiterboy
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I don't remember any French wine protest but I remember the "freedom fries" stupidity.

This is supposed to be a protest against government waste, I would think you would approve.
I do. By the time the masses become enraged they are usually not very focused, but it still is worth doing. The whole AIG bonuses seemed to be the lightning rod this time. When people can't fully comprehend the issue (and pretty much no one can this time) you have to have something for everyone to focus on.

What I really like is that the banks are stumbling over themselves to give back the money because the government has shifted the game and strings are now attached. That is freaking brilliant, IMO.
04-14-2009 10:16 PM
JCS05Rubi I will be at the TEA party in Annapolis.

Technically I guess you could protest about anything you dislike, but this is specifically a:
"Taxed Enough Already" cut the spending type of protest.

For anyone going:
1. Watch out for ACORN operatives trying to ruin the protest, and disguising who they work for. If you find one, immediately point them out to everyone.

2. At least here in MD, we were warned not to use "Wooden sticks" or any other object that could be misconstrued as a "weapon" for your sign posts.....

I am using an old Henry Repeating Arms cardboard box to get around that stupidity
04-14-2009 07:03 PM
skeeter Don't send tea bags with tea in em.
Government types are a wee bit shy about powdery substances and a few people have reported being contacted by security.
Send empty tea bags or tea labels. it sends the same message and has more chance of actually reaching the office of the person you're sending it to.
04-14-2009 06:28 PM
orange05tj Did anyone else send a tea bag to the White House this week? Mine got sent on Friday.
04-14-2009 04:54 PM
skeeter I don't remember any French wine protest but I remember the "freedom fries" stupidity.

This is supposed to be a protest against government waste, I would think you would approve.
04-14-2009 12:13 PM
jupiterboy Hmmm. Hope this is smarter than the protest of the French that involved purchasing French wine and pouring it down the gutter.

Maybe there can be a way to purchase tea to waste that doesn’t actually benefit banks and insurance companies. Or is this to protest the government’s forcing banks to offer subprime loans still?
04-14-2009 11:40 AM
kg4kpg Charleston is having one of the big ones but I won't be off work in time. Should be a good time. One of our senators is actually going to show up, only one of two who confirmed he would be at their states tea party. The other I believe is from Louisiana.
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