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04-05-2013 08:24 PM
HydroJK
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
I don't think they are saying "you should put lockers in." It seems that some of your mods (ie gussets) are indicative of you doing some heavy wheeling, which usually requires lockers. If you are not planning on lockers since where you wheel doesn't warrant them, and you have been able to wheel without issue (basically a similar situation as myself) why waste the money on things you don't need like gussets? I think that was their only point, as they were just trying to help and make sure you are not wasting your money by listening to a shop or whomever. I don't think they had any ill intent, just a misunderstanding.

No hard feelings on my part Life is too short to sweat the little things !!! Work hard and play hard

Hydro
04-05-2013 06:50 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by HydroJK View Post
Not sure why not putting lockers in my rig is such a big deal to other folks ???

I don't need them, so why install them ? Why this is so hard to understand for some ???

4.88's are right on for my situation, maybe not yours, but for mine its what I need. I tow allot and rarely see interstate speeds.

Gussets and sleeves are a no brainer, for me and my situation... We romp around allot of old chopped up rice fields and crawfish ponds, may not be rocks but things get bounced around quite a bit.

Thanks and have a nice day

Hydro
I don't think they are saying "you should put lockers in." It seems that some of your mods (ie gussets) are indicative of you doing some heavy wheeling, which usually requires lockers. If you are not planning on lockers since where you wheel doesn't warrant them, and you have been able to wheel without issue (basically a similar situation as myself) why waste the money on things you don't need like gussets? I think that was their only point, as they were just trying to help and make sure you are not wasting your money by listening to a shop or whomever. I don't think they had any ill intent, just a misunderstanding.
04-05-2013 06:49 PM
i82much
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
The only positive I have heard (through my limited understanding of diffs/axles as they pertain to offroading is that keeping your diffs open (especially on stock D30s and D44s) allows an extra margin of safety in terms of breaking something.
Open diffs give you lateral stability. Imagine you are driving across a slick hill (perpendicular to the grade). With lockers or LSD, both wheels on a given axle will spin, this tends to cause that axle to want to slide downhill (dynamic coefficient of friction). With an open diff, one wheel is generally moving at the same speed as the surface (static coefficient of friction) and this helps prevent you from sliding down the hill.

I read a scientific paper somewhere about a technology that disconnects the rear locker when it detects yaw exceeding a certain value, I can't remember for sure but I think it was Ford looking at adding that to their trucks.
04-05-2013 06:45 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by ranjr View Post
Why spend all that money on the axles and then rely on BLD? It is very limited on what it will do.
The only positive I have heard (through my limited understanding of diffs/axles as they pertain to offroading is that keeping your diffs open (especially on stock D30s and D44s) allows an extra margin of safety in terms of breaking something.
04-05-2013 06:17 PM
HydroJK
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Originally Posted by sgtkersh View Post
Northern VA here and waiting to pick up my 13 JKU with 4.56s. The shop here charges $400 per axle, plus shop supplies and oil. So that's just under $1k labor plus the cost of the gears and install kits.


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Sounds like a good deal there
04-05-2013 05:39 PM
sgtkersh Northern VA here and waiting to pick up my 13 JKU with 4.56s. The shop here charges $400 per axle, plus shop supplies and oil. So that's just under $1k labor plus the cost of the gears and install kits.


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04-05-2013 05:27 PM
HydroJK
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Originally Posted by AdrianVall View Post
If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for everything? I want to regear my Jeep very bad, but am kind of hesitant due to the cost.

1,500 for re-gear alone... Very happy with it ...

Hydro
04-03-2013 09:45 PM
RRTRI
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Originally Posted by AdrianVall View Post
If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for everything? I want to regear my Jeep very bad, but am kind of hesitant due to the cost.
It depends. I've seen prices stated up here that ranged from $1200 - $2000. Just depends on the shop and the going rate in that part of the country. I talked to 3 shops here in Va before I did mine. They were all on the upper end of the range.

If you do it yourself the parts are only a few hundred dollars. I'm don't have the skill or the tools so it wasn't an option for me.
04-03-2013 09:15 PM
AdrianVall If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for everything? I want to regear my Jeep very bad, but am kind of hesitant due to the cost.
04-03-2013 05:11 PM
ESP
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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
This doesn't sound like a WF thread.

There is no reason to flame somebody for not putting in lockers.

Don't hijack this from a before/after install thread and turn it into a polemic on why this guy was "wrong" in your opinion to not to spend an extra thousand or more dollars to get modifications he doesn't believe he needs but you think he should.

There is nothing wrong with his choice here. Aside from being his money, he obviously put some thought into it and determined the cost/benefit just wasn't there with lockers.

At most, all this "mistake" costs him is the labor costs to break down an axle or two in the future to add a locker. At best, he never misses them, keeps his extra cash, and enjoys his regeared jeep.

Contrary to what is apparently popular belief, that is not crazy. It might not be your choice in the same circumstances, but it's not crazy.
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04-03-2013 05:10 PM
Mom2one
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Originally Posted by HydroJK View Post
Got it back today, everything was good to go and delivered when promised. No vibes, noises or other anomalies.

Very happy with the gearing, put 75 miles on it today just dinking around, now just to get past the break-in period so I can tow my boat again and get in the woods.

Best thing so far is how well the clutch engages, first gear start without touching the gas is cool, also being able to use 5th and 6th is nice too...

Hydro
I'm so glad you love it! Enjoy!
04-03-2013 05:07 PM
HydroJK Got it back today, everything was good to go and delivered when promised. No vibes, noises or other anomalies.

Very happy with the gearing, put 75 miles on it today just dinking around, now just to get past the break-in period so I can tow my boat again and get in the woods.

Best thing so far is how well the clutch engages, first gear start without touching the gas is cool, also being able to use 5th and 6th is nice too...

Hydro
04-02-2013 07:34 AM
MTH This doesn't sound like a WF thread.

There is no reason to flame somebody for not putting in lockers.

Don't hijack this from a before/after install thread and turn it into a polemic on why this guy was "wrong" in your opinion to not to spend an extra thousand or more dollars to get modifications he doesn't believe he needs but you think he should.

There is nothing wrong with his choice here. Aside from being his money, he obviously put some thought into it and determined the cost/benefit just wasn't there with lockers.

At most, all this "mistake" costs him is the labor costs to break down an axle or two in the future to add a locker. At best, he never misses them, keeps his extra cash, and enjoys his regeared jeep.

Contrary to what is apparently popular belief, that is not crazy. It might not be your choice in the same circumstances, but it's not crazy.
04-02-2013 07:15 AM
bvanfossen Good for you. I know you're excited as I would be. Enjoy
04-02-2013 06:13 AM
HydroJK Not sure why not putting lockers in my rig is such a big deal to other folks ???

I don't need them, so why install them ? Why this is so hard to understand for some ???

4.88's are right on for my situation, maybe not yours, but for mine its what I need. I tow allot and rarely see interstate speeds.

Gussets and sleeves are a no brainer, for me and my situation... We romp around allot of old chopped up rice fields and crawfish ponds, may not be rocks but things get bounced around quite a bit.

Thanks and have a nice day

Hydro
04-01-2013 10:37 PM
lolpetewtf
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Originally Posted by HydroJK View Post
You are making allot of assumptions, wrong ones I might add...
I would say he's right on the money
04-01-2013 10:22 PM
Mom2one
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Originally Posted by HydroJK View Post
After much research I put it in the shop this morning for 4.88's, sleeves, gussets, ball joints (with zerks), and a new front driveshaft. Keeping the diffs open and let the BLD's do their thing .

Time for a winch and bumper next, which should be allot easier research wise than the gears were.

Hydro
Congrats! I understand your excitement. I recently had my jeep regeared and when I picked it up it felt like xmas morning because I was so happy. Enjoy your new gears and other gooodies you are adding!
04-01-2013 10:14 PM
overblown
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Originally Posted by JKASS View Post
It feels like middle school reading some replies here.
Couldn't agree more.
04-01-2013 09:26 PM
HydroJK
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Originally Posted by Salticon View Post
4.88 gearing on a looks to be a 33" AT tire, open diffs, with gussets and sleeves with no lockers?? Overkill in one area and leaving weak spot in others. Who is giving you advise? Cause they're mis leading you

You are making allot of assumptions, wrong ones I might add...
04-01-2013 09:18 PM
RRTRI Congrats! I'm sure you will love them.
04-01-2013 09:03 PM
JKASS Congrats hydro! I'm glad your getting what you want. It feels like middle school reading some replies here.
04-01-2013 08:21 PM
MarkinOhio Your money, Hydro. Do what you want.

I'm doing the same as you in prep for 35's. Well, I am waiting on lockers and gears, but I am doing gussets, HD ball joints, and lift of some sort before putting on the 35's.
04-01-2013 08:08 PM
Salticon 4.88 gearing on a looks to be a 33" AT tire, open diffs, with gussets and sleeves with no lockers?? Overkill in one area and leaving weak spot in others. Who is giving you advise? Cause they're mis leading you
04-01-2013 07:56 PM
wilmerc76 Different strokes for different folks. Go with what you want. Best way to learn is through trial and error. Not saying your wrong, just sayin.
04-01-2013 07:56 PM
HydroJK
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Originally Posted by Salticon View Post
Are those AT tires...?

Yes, caked with mud and acorns...
04-01-2013 07:54 PM
HydroJK
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Originally Posted by ranjr View Post
Hummm, like sleeves and gussets?

I give up !
04-01-2013 07:53 PM
Salticon Are those AT tires...?
04-01-2013 07:50 PM
ranjr
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Originally Posted by HydroJK View Post
Why add something that I don't need ?
Hummm, like sleeves and gussets?
04-01-2013 07:48 PM
HydroJK BLD takes me thru this every time spinning tires along the way slow and steady...

Why add something that I don't need ?

Everyone has different needs, lockers aren't on my list. If later on I need them, then they will be added... Simple as that


Hydro
04-01-2013 07:35 PM
ranjr
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Originally Posted by HydroJK View Post

It goes where I point it now, why over-complicate things with devices that will never be used ?

I have been getting used to the BLD, keep a steady throttle and it works as advertised... Not much rock crawling in South Louisiana, just muddy trails and sand beaches. If I ever move somewhere that requires lockers then they will be installed ...

Hydro
I don't see the need to add strength to the axle if you're running in sand and mud, but it's your money. At least you have enough to do it twice.
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