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04-11-2013 06:02 PM
Gunner Maybe a SoCal performance mods thread.. I still have some contacts in the performance industry.
OH Yeah Geoff
04-11-2013 06:00 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post
Well...if we knew a moderator we could ask him if we can start a thread like you said...I know there is a Tech section in both forums because I go there all the time, but it would be cool to have our own like this..
Where can we find one of these "moderators?"
04-11-2013 05:58 PM
BillG.OTD
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Originally Posted by WOKNROX View Post
This is good stuff....!
Someone needs to start an official "Build it Wheel it" thread ...where we can all brainstorm ideas off each other....
Well...if we knew a moderator we could ask him if we can start a thread like you said...I know there is a Tech section in both forums because I go there all the time, but it would be cool to have our own like this..
04-11-2013 05:56 PM
WOKNROX
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Yeah maybe where we can share knowledge and parts for just the cal guys.
Exactly!
04-11-2013 05:53 PM
Gunner Yeah maybe where we can share knowledge and parts for just the cal guys.
04-11-2013 05:47 PM
WOKNROX This is good stuff....!
Someone needs to start an official "Build it Wheel it" thread ...where we can all brainstorm ideas off each other....
04-11-2013 05:30 PM
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when my powerball numbers hit and I can get a non DD, I need to know if I'm getting a TJ (+Stretching it) or an LJ.
At that point...you better be building a full blown tube buggy
04-11-2013 05:27 PM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
Rick I am thinking if I do a stretch then I am going to have better approach and departure angles. If I go to an LJ then I am right back to the same angles. If I then stretch an LJ I might as well get the JKU. It's a never ending thing. I just want to work on getting off the rocks better. I hit my rear bumper so many times that it did my back in. I am thinking maybe to do a butt lift before the tummy tuck.
10-4, makes sense. I thought it was just a wheel base thing.

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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post
Like Bob and Geoff said, the LJ is longer in the body and after the rear wheel. I'm always used to give Coop shit when we drop off something and I hear him clank...Longer means more stable and it means better ride, longer CAs, longer shaft for better DS angle. LJs are good, but like you mentioned if you are heavily modded, you have a lot of swapping to do and corner armor and Rock rails wont swap. If I did a stretch I could go back to running a 241 TC as well, which I had to give up for the AW4 swap. So Rick, why you turning this into the tech section ?


You guys started it!

Besides, when my powerball numbers hit and I can get a non DD, I need to know if I'm getting a TJ (+Stretching it) or an LJ.
04-11-2013 04:39 PM
Gunner Gotta sell the bikes. I can't ride anymore. They are too low.
04-11-2013 04:31 PM
DTM
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Yeah I think the hydro assist is the way to fly. I am just running out of money. It was OK when I pulled some money out to go with the bike sale but now I have to save. Now if I can just sell the boat and those pedal bikes, Hmmm
Don't sell the pedal bikes! They do a way better job keeping you healthy and getting that weight off. This year my jeep lost a good 20lbs of in cab weight Far cheaper than Alum control arms
04-11-2013 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
LOL They have more in those rigs than I have in my house.
But can you go everywhere in your house ?
04-11-2013 04:25 PM
Gunner LOL They have more in those rigs than I have in my house.
04-11-2013 04:22 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by DTM View Post
PSC has a stretched LJ on 40's with DOT legal Hydro-Asst steering (Daddy Long Legs). That thing has been on some major trails without any approach problems. I'm still amazed at how well that thing works.
Daddy long legs is an awesome build too.

04-11-2013 04:18 PM
Gunner Yeah I think the hydro assist is the way to fly. I am just running out of money. It was OK when I pulled some money out to go with the bike sale but now I have to save. Now if I can just sell the boat and those pedal bikes, Hmmm
04-11-2013 04:14 PM
DTM PSC has a stretched LJ on 40's with DOT legal Hydro-Asst steering (Daddy Long Legs). That thing has been on some major trails without any approach problems. I'm still amazed at how well that thing works.
04-11-2013 04:11 PM
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I'm thinking Imped's breakovers are pretty impressive.
His jeep is my inspiration
04-11-2013 04:08 PM
Gunner I'm thinking Imped's breakovers are pretty impressive.
04-11-2013 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by WOKNROX View Post
And paying the premium for an Lj ...but yeah....I'd have no reservations twards cuttimg the azz off an Lj and tacking it back on less 6"or 8"....I used to own my own buissness building custom hot rods...I'll make it loom factory ...lol
Now you are right back to sticking with stretching a cheaper TJ
04-11-2013 04:00 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by BillG.OTD View Post
So Rick, why you turning this into the tech section ?
Cuz bob already ran the Bull...so we might as well continue talking about something else interesting
04-11-2013 03:59 PM
WOKNROX
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
I think the hardest part of all that would be finding the LJ
And paying the premium for an Lj ...but yeah....I'd have no reservations twards cuttimg the azz off an Lj and tacking it back on less 6"or 8"....I used to own my own buissness building custom hot rods...I'll make it loom factory ...lol
04-11-2013 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
And a full hydro on the street might not be to much fun.
It might be exciting though

I am always curious about this though...cuz I mean Hammers rigs are running full hydro, +40s, at highway speeds...on terrain worse than your typical road. So I am curious as to how bad it would truly be
04-11-2013 03:55 PM
BillG.OTD
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Originally Posted by suicideking View Post
Ok, while we're completely off topic and now talking about stretching:

If you have a TJ and want it stretched, wouldn't it be less of a hassle to get an LJ and swap you stuff over? Maybe not practical for something that's already fully built since you have to do 2 axle swaps, suspension, etc. But seems that if you're early in your build, might be better to do it that way?

Or are there other reasons why you would rather have a stretched TJ over an LJ?

For now, I'll be looking for a 'shrink' kit for my JK...
Like Bob and Geoff said, the LJ is longer in the body and after the rear wheel. I'm always used to give Coop shit when we drop off something and I hear him clank...Longer means more stable and it means better ride, longer CAs, longer shaft for better DS angle. LJs are good, but like you mentioned if you are heavily modded, you have a lot of swapping to do and corner armor and Rock rails wont swap. If I did a stretch I could go back to running a 241 TC as well, which I had to give up for the AW4 swap. So Rick, why you turning this into the tech section ?
04-11-2013 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
I guess you could but then I am thinking of the weight issue. Would a bobbed LJ be heavier than a stretched TJ?
Probably a little, only cuz you'd have more frame underneath...but it may be pretty minimal.
04-11-2013 03:53 PM
Gunner And a full hydro on the street might not be to much fun.
04-11-2013 03:52 PM
Gunner I guess you could but then I am thinking of the weight issue. Would a bobbed LJ be heavier than a stretched TJ?
04-11-2013 03:49 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by DTM View Post
How about getting an LJ and bobing the rear. Problems solved!
I think the hardest part of all that would be finding the LJ
04-11-2013 03:49 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by WOKNROX View Post
Well put Geoff ...
But to add....the same goes from the front..when u approach a waterfall..aka wall ..I want my tires to come in contact before my comp cut bumper ....
A fine example is "Chicken Rock" out at Cougar Butts....most peopel have to approach it at an angle so they dont clobber they bumper/wench ...
Ya I just added a little tidbit about the front end. In most cases it can be much more involved to get substantial inches out of the front with all of the steering and other stuff in there to get in the way.

Wait...what...did you say full hydro Psh...stretch it out there as far as you want
04-11-2013 03:46 PM
DTM How about getting an LJ and bobing the rear. Problems solved!
04-11-2013 03:45 PM
WOKNROX Well put Geoff ...
But to add....the same goes from the front..when u approach a waterfall..aka wall ..I want my tires to come in contact before my comp cut bumper ....
A fine example is "Chicken Rock" out at Cougar Butts....most peopel have to approach it at an angle so they dont clobber they bumper/wench ...
04-11-2013 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by suicideking View Post
Or are there other reasons why you would rather have a stretched TJ over an LJ?
The biggest reason (over the obvious wheelbase) is the approach and departure angles. Switching from a TJ to an LJ, will actually make your departure angle worse An LJ actually is a little LONGER on the rear end, behind the rear tires...making your departure angle worse. This is why a stretch is popular. It improves this angle. There are two ways people normally go about this...a stretch and cutting new wheel wells, or the creation of a TJ-6 which looks like an LJ but there is no additional length behind the rear tires.

Notice the rear end of a factory TJ.


Factory LJ...longer tail end


"TJ-6" Stretch


TJ Stretch


Notice how much better the angles are over the factory LJ. You can stretch the front as well...but it can get pretty involved much over 1"


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Originally Posted by Gunner View Post
If I go to an LJ then I am right back to the same angles. .
Almost . Check out the pics above
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