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08-26-2013 08:30 AM
NJO Yep treat it like gold......my 05.....i tore it apart to the frame literally and rebuilt it.
08-25-2013 05:36 PM
ford-willy
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
Pretty much wrong on all accounts. LJ's still have very tight turning radius, in fact they are basically identical at about 36 feet. I know I can make the same tight U turns in my LJ that I could in my TJ.

Also all LJ's are not automatics. The half year they introduced em they were all automatics, but in 05 and 06 they made em with the NSG 370 6 speed......and there are plenty of them around.

LJ's are 16" longer(10" longer wheelbase) and have that magic 100-104" wheelbase that works so well off road in a number of key areas.

The only real weak point for off roading is the break over angle. But a nice tight tummy tuck takes care of that one small issue. Too many advantages for the LJ. I got 2 of them. I will never own another TJ after making the switch.
Right on. ---- I started Jeeping with a moded 93 YJ. Once we went to an LJ we realized what we had missed.
08-25-2013 02:35 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by 03 TJX View Post
They're just too long. You have to look before you back up in a parking lot, crazy, like having a 65 Caddy with fins. Plus you have to back up at switchbacks because of the turning radius. Short is beautiful, as is short wheelbase. Plus almost all LJs are automatic.
Pretty much wrong on all accounts. LJ's still have very tight turning radius, in fact they are basically identical at about 36 feet. I know I can make the same tight U turns in my LJ that I could in my TJ.

Also all LJ's are not automatics. The half year they introduced em they were all automatics, but in 05 and 06 they made em with the NSG 370 6 speed......and there are plenty of them around.

LJ's are 16" longer(10" longer wheelbase) and have that magic 100-104" wheelbase that works so well off road in a number of key areas.

The only real weak point for off roading is the break over angle. But a nice tight tummy tuck takes care of that one small issue. Too many advantages for the LJ. I got 2 of them. I will never own another TJ after making the switch.
08-25-2013 02:15 PM
03 TJX They're just too long. You have to look before you back up in a parking lot, crazy, like having a 65 Caddy with fins. Plus you have to back up at switchbacks because of the turning radius. Short is beautiful, as is short wheelbase. Plus almost all LJs are automatic.
08-25-2013 01:10 PM
thubub I just got a BONE STOCK 2006 LJ. Never been off road, TC engaged maybe once. I have owned/wheeled Toyota's, and older Jeeps, CJ5,CJ7. I was looking for a new project, the JK's never thrilled me, and I was tired of the SWB of the CJ's. Looked for two month's, found a yellow/soft top. I am now gathering parts for the transformation, 4" Rough Country long arm, Eaton E-lockers front & rear, 35" KM2's & a Rubi-Crawler. Having driven it stock on 30" tires, the only complaint is the horrible sound system, replaced it with a Kenwood head & Kicker speakers, problem solved, as far as GPM, if you want decent GPM buy a Prius.
08-25-2013 10:47 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by KhakiRubi View Post
I disagree. I have owned both as well.
If you truly have owned both, then you should know that highway driving with an LJ is a night and day difference over a TJ just due to the longer wheelbase alone. Off roading its the same as well. The longer wheelbase gives major off camber stability and climbing points to the LJ.
08-24-2013 08:38 PM
Fireaxe
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Originally Posted by ford-willy View Post
My 04 LJ was totaled 2 days before last Christmas. We would not buy anything but an LJ again so it took me almost 6 months to locate the one we wanted. And wow what a find. A totally stock 05 Black Tie Edition with only 25,000 miles. Interior like new.

This one is going to remain stock. I will likely keep it forever.

You will love yours. Enjoy.
Nice find.....
08-24-2013 08:32 PM
ford-willy My 04 LJ was totaled 2 days before last Christmas. We would not buy anything but an LJ again so it took me almost 6 months to locate the one we wanted. And wow what a find. A totally stock 05 Black Tie Edition with only 25,000 miles. Interior like new.

This one is going to remain stock. I will likely keep it forever.

You will love yours. Enjoy.
08-24-2013 08:00 PM
ljjbaok Heavy enough that you can tell a huge difference on the curvy highways with it on versus off.

I can get it off by myself using straps on all four corners, hanging from my garage ceiling.
08-12-2013 07:54 PM
SEAICE The only thing I don't like about my LJ is nothing. Well, they do look kinda odd with no lift and the factory hard top.

And all things being equal, they do ride better than TJs (but TJs ride way better than CJs)
08-12-2013 12:14 PM
Verf
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Originally Posted by Internexus View Post
How heavy are the hardtops??
Heavier than I anticipated, lol. Two people def. I was told one person could do a SWB hard top and hoped cause I'm a big guy, I could do my LJ myself. No way. I'm not sure exactly how heavy tho.

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Originally Posted by KhakiRubi View Post
I disagree. I have owned both as well.
While I have only owned an LJ, I've ridden in both and obviously depending on suspension/lifts, ride quality would differ. But I would imagine out of the factory doors, one of the reasons the LJ is granted more towing weight is stability and part of my brain like to think stability would equal better ride quality too. But hey, my wife would argue I'm dead wrong on all accounts of anything I've just said including I think shes right, lol
08-12-2013 12:04 PM
Bryan 45
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Originally Posted by Internexus View Post
How heavy are the hardtops??
Between 175 and 200 pounds, depending on who you ask.

After getting mine hung up over the weekend, I'd say a lot closer to 175 than 200. Seems like I've even seen 172# listed as a spec somewhere.
08-12-2013 11:19 AM
UFOtestpilot That argument is moot, as a properly set up anything is usually better than an improperly set up anything else, especially when the majority of design is shared. I'd bet that all else being exactly equal the longer wheelbase would ride smoother by a bit, but I don't have "proof" lol

Hope to take possession of a sweet LJ Rubi this week, but I won't compare it to my TJ with skyjacker hydros because I have some sense.
08-12-2013 11:03 AM
KhakiRubi
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Originally Posted by DetroitRodeo View Post
LJs ride much better IMO. Owned both
I disagree. I have owned both as well.
08-12-2013 10:08 AM
Internexus
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Originally Posted by IrateDonnie View Post
The only thing I don't like about mine is that it's not a Rubicon LJ, and finding out how heavy the hard tops are which made me change my mind about wanting the hard top.
How heavy are the hardtops??
08-12-2013 08:11 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by J Rig06 View Post
So I guess the people that have had engine failures caused from an OPDA issue are just imagining it.

I'm not interested in arguing about something that is a well known issue but I highlighted what you question in red so a simple minded folk like yourself could find it without having to read the WHOLE thing.







I know your brain probably hurts right now but if you take a break and come back maybe you could read part of this thread. Who knows you might actually learn something.

2005-06 Jeep OPDA_CPS_Distributor Failure - JeepForum.com

Maybe this guy should have just reset his ECU and everything would've been fine.

Sad day for me - Page 2 - JeepForum.com
The few examples you have brought up are out of close to 200k Wranglers made. I have seen CPS failures on 04' and older models as well.

The OPDA issue is blown way out of proportion. That is what the internet does though. Blow things out of proportion.

The OPDA thread on JF shows lots of people fretting over normal wear and tear on the OPDA gear. Many of the people who worry about it have absolutely no issues whatsoever, but they replace the OPDA sooner than needed because of it.

Now regardless I do know that there were some OPDA units that were out of spec that should have been replaced right away. But I bet for every person with a LEGIT OPDA issue there are 100 or more 05'-06' owners with no issues whatsoever.

My original OPDA had 80k on it. The teeth had obvious wear and tear, but an issue it was not. I ended up replacing mine early because of that thread. But it wasn't needed. If an OPDA is going bad an engine code should come up long before it ever fails. A lot of the problems that you see in the internet from part time backyard garage jockeys posing as mechanics because they toss a lift kit on and change the oil out would never be a problem if proper steps are taken during routine maintenance and checks on certain drivetrain components.
08-12-2013 01:14 AM
J Rig06
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
Ummmmm............OPDA will cause a loss of oil pressure? All it will do is throw a code. The OPDA is not really an issue at all.
So I guess the people that have had engine failures caused from an OPDA issue are just imagining it.

I'm not interested in arguing about something that is a well known issue but I highlighted what you question in red so a simple minded folk like yourself could find it without having to read the WHOLE thing.




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E05 MAR 2005 Campaign - Engine Oil Pump Drive Gear/Cam Replacement .

Revised June 2005

Dealer Service Instructions for:

Customer Satisfaction Notification E05
Oil Pump Drive Gear

A revised drive gear parts package has been released. The second roll pin hole must be drilled in the revised drive gear.

2005 (TJ) Jeep(R) Wrangler

NOTE : This notification applies only to the above vehicles equipped with a 4.0L eligible ("S" in the 8th VIN position) and an engine build code between 902944 (October 20, 2004) and 900325 (February 1, 2005).

IMPORTANT : Some of the involved vehicles may be in dealer vehicle inventory. Dealers should complete this repair on these vehicles before retail delivery. Dealers should also perform this repair on vehicles in for service. Involved vehicles can be determined by using the VIP inquiry process.

Subject

The oil pump drive gear on about 16,000 of the above vehicles may wear out prematurely and cause engine failure due to a loss of oil pressure.

Repair

The camshaft position sensor/oil pump drive assembly date code label must be inspected. Units within a specific date code range must have the drive gear replaced.

All unsold vehicles must have the oil pump drive gear replaced prior to retail delivery to eliminate the risk of engine failure due to premature oil pump drive gear wear. On sold vehicles, the cam/crank angle must also be checked with the DRB III scan tool. Engines found with excessive cam/crank angle must have the oil pump drive gear and the engine camshaft replaced.

Alternate Transportation

Dealers should attempt to minimize customer inconvenience by placing the owner in a loaner vehicle if inspection determines that an engine camshaft is required and the vehicle must be held overnight.

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The Special Tools may be required to perform this service procedure.

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Claims for vehicles that have been serviced must be submitted on the DealerCONNECT Claim Entry Screen located on the Service tab. Claims submitted will be used by DaimlerChrysler to record Customer Satisfaction Notification service completions and provide dealer payments.

Use one of the labor operation numbers and time allowances shown.

Add the cost of the parts package plus applicable dealer allowance to your claim.

NOTE : See the Warranty Administration Manual, Recall Claim Processing Section, for complete claim processing instructions.

Dealer Notification

All dealers will receive a copy of this dealer notification letter by mail. Two additional copies will be sent through the DCMMS. This notification can be viewed on DealerCONNECT by selecting "Global Recall System" on the Service tab, then clicking on the description of this notification.

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All involved vehicle owners known to DaimlerChrysler are being notified of the service requirement by mail. They are requested to schedule appointments for this service with their dealers. A generic copy of the owner letter is included.

Enclosed with each owner letter is an Owner Notification postcard to allow owners to update our records if applicable.

Vehicle lists, Global Recall System, VIP and Dealer Follow UP

All involved vehicles have been entered into the DealerCONNECT Global Recall System (GRS) and Vehicle Information Plus (VIP) for dealer inquiry as needed.

GRS provides involved dealers with an updated VIN list of their incomplete vehicles. The owner's name, address and phone number are listed if known. Completed vehicles are removed from GRS within several days of repair claim submission.

To use this system, click on the "Service" tab and then click on "Global Recall System." Your dealer's VIN list for each recall displayed can be sorted by: those vehicles that were unsold at recall launch, those with a phone number, city, zip code, or VIN sequence.

Dealers should perform this repair on all unsold vehicles before retail delivery.

Dealers should also use the VIN list to follow up with all owners to schedule appointments for this repair.

VIN lists may contain confidential, restricted owner name and address information that was obtained from the Department of Motor Vehicles of various states. Use of this information is permitted for this notification only and is strictly prohibited from all other use.

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I know your brain probably hurts right now but if you take a break and come back maybe you could read part of this thread. Who knows you might actually learn something.

2005-06 Jeep OPDA_CPS_Distributor Failure - JeepForum.com

Maybe this guy should have just reset his ECU and everything would've been fine.

Sad day for me - Page 2 - JeepForum.com
08-11-2013 11:41 PM
UnlimitedRubicon
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Originally Posted by ChasUGC View Post
I really don't understand why someone would put a "LJ owners only" post in a TJ forum. It seems the OP is just looking to start trouble. Maybe I should put a "TJ owners only" post in the LJ forum. Naw, I don't want trouble.

08-11-2013 10:58 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by J Rig06 View Post
Search "laughing monkeys" and you'll see exactly what the issue is. It's an engineering flaw with the oil pump drive assembly on the 05/06s that causes it to wear out prematurely and will cause a loss of oil pressure resulting in engine failure. Again it's not LJ specific but rather 05/06 specific. I wouldn't let it deter you as it can be replaced with a non oem unit that addresses the issue for under a couple hundred bucks. I have 72k miles on my 06 and don't have any symptoms of an OPDA failure yet but I know I'll have to address the issue sooner rather than later.
Ummmmm............OPDA will cause a loss of oil pressure? All it will do is throw a code. The OPDA is not really an issue at all.
08-11-2013 10:40 PM
redneckpunk I picked up my 06 LJ 8 days ago, and I really like it. I find myself driving it more than my other vehicle (04 Mustang). Mine was stock with the exception of having 31s. I like how it rides, much smoother than the TJs I was looking at. I'm glad I held out for an LJ.
08-11-2013 09:24 PM
my996duc1
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Originally Posted by ChasUGC View Post
I really don't understand why someone would put a "LJ owners only" post in a TJ forum. It seems the OP is just looking to start trouble. Maybe I should put a "TJ owners only" post in the LJ forum. Naw, I don't want trouble.
I thought a LJ was almost the same as a TJ just a little bit longer, but still very similar in numerous different ways. So much similar that a LJ is sometimes called a "TJ unlimited" in some articles.
Maybe one of us needs to do some more reading about Jeeps to understand the differences and similarities between a TJ and a LJ.

No such thing as a "LJ forum".... I think we can easily ID who the troll and trouble maker is here

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08-11-2013 08:36 PM
PHILDABEAST I'm not going to re-read the whole thread but I don't recall any tj bashing.
08-11-2013 08:23 PM
ChasUGC
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Originally Posted by PHILDABEAST View Post
Because there isn't an lj forum and an lj is essentially just a longer tj.
I just see no point in bashing the best Jeep ever made, in the forum for it. There is also no forum here for the Toyota RAV4, so does that mean I should make a post that says, "Toyota RAV4 owners only", in the TJ forum?

It would go something like this: I am selling my TJ for a Toyota RAV4, because it is more reliable and it gets better gas mileage. I just thought I would post this for other opinions.
08-11-2013 08:17 PM
Bryan 45 I just got mine about 2 weeks ago. '05 LJ Rubicon, 62K miles, and the underside is as clean as the topside. I got a soft top and a hard top with it. Pulled the milk jugs off it first, the carpet out second, and getting new tires in the next couple weeks. I looked specifically for a LJ Rubicon, because I knew I could carry enough junk in a standard TJ.

08-11-2013 08:04 PM
PHILDABEAST Because there isn't an lj forum and an lj is essentially just a longer tj.
08-11-2013 08:00 PM
ChasUGC I really don't understand why someone would put a "LJ owners only" post in a TJ forum. It seems the OP is just looking to start trouble. Maybe I should put a "TJ owners only" post in the LJ forum. Naw, I don't want trouble.
08-11-2013 06:50 PM
Trendsetter75 What I don't like about mine is its not a Rubicon, not a 4door, and gas mileage stinks!

Why I chose an LJ is because of the larger wheelbase span and extra room in the back, and not too many of them oppose to the TJ's.
08-11-2013 06:46 PM
Alien Jeepers what is a dinger?
04-25-2013 08:36 AM
LilAnt I've had my '06 Rubi LJ (First Wrangler ever) for almost a year now.

I love it and a few friends with their TJ's envy it.

I've only noticed a few parts I've looked at on some websites that don't fit an LJ, but nothing that would make me think I should've bought a TJ.

However, I'm definitely considering buying a TJ (hopefully with a lift and tires added).

Just my $.02 from a total newbie here.
04-25-2013 08:30 AM
DBoat
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Originally Posted by JC_LJ View Post
I love mine as well. Bought it in January. My main issue is that I got an auto. Also, 33s just don't do it justice from a looks perspective. 35s are just right in my eyes.
I love my auto tranny in mine.. makes life so much easier..mine is a DD and driving in Dallas traffic with a stick isnt my idea of fun. I dont find it a hindrance in offroading either. but then again each to their own as those that have sticks love them too.
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