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04-24-2013 07:11 AM
h22lude
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Originally Posted by BManz View Post
Don't count them out. I'm no Goodyear fan by any measure, but the Duratracs for me, 265/70-17, have been excellent in everything the Michigan UP, Canada, and the big sinkhole in the midwest othewise known as Chicago has thrown my way -- slimy mud, ice, snow, rain. Best year round AT tire I've ever run and I've run a lot of tires over the years on my trucks. If I could get Duratracs in 275/50-20 I'd run them on my GC too. However, almost everything else by Goodyear that I've had -- #%$&@.
Well that is good to know. I have the stock 25575/17 rubi tires. I believe they are bfgoodrich mud terrain km. I like them a lot. They worked great during the snow storms we got in Rhode Island this year.
04-23-2013 08:41 PM
BManz
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Originally Posted by h22lude View Post
Well Duratrac's might not be what I want then. I need good snow tires living in New England.
Don't count them out. I'm no Goodyear fan by any measure, but the Duratracs for me, 265/70-17, have been excellent in everything the Michigan UP, Canada, and the big sinkhole in the midwest othewise known as Chicago has thrown my way -- slimy mud, ice, snow, rain. Best year round AT tire I've ever run and I've run a lot of tires over the years on my trucks. If I could get Duratracs in 275/50-20 I'd run them on my GC too. However, almost everything else by Goodyear that I've had -- #%$&@.
04-18-2013 11:36 PM
David M Just a sipe/no-sipe comparison between the stock Rubi BFG's (not KM2's), and the siped Sahara Bridgestone's. It just shows a big reason why stock Sahara tires grip better than stock Rubi's on compacted snow and ice.

04-18-2013 10:18 PM
vacca foeda Txrdstr is right on. Parking brake works on the rear wheels, I believe. And in 2wd, even if you have it in gear or park, it'll only lock the rear wheels. There's no weight back there, so less grip. I would bet if you put it in 4wd when parked and left it in gear/park, you wouldn't slide at all.
04-18-2013 10:11 PM
Txrdstr
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Originally Posted by Ottis View Post
We have a sloped concrete driveway, not hugely sloped (we live in a neighborhood), but more than mild. We've had four cars in this house, and in the Denver winters I have never had this happen until this 2012 Sport: When I back out of the garage after a snow of a few inches or less, and I brake on the driveway to be sure the garage door goes down in front of me, the Jeep slides down the driveway! Two days ago, after a couple inches of wet snow, I tried to make it up the driveway (in 2WD) and stopped briefly and the Jeep started sliding down while in drive. I couldn't get back up without a running start (again, 2WD).

I have to be very careful because we have a brick mailbox at the foot of the driveway, and the Jeep is parked on that side. So if I turn the wheel and it slides an an angle I could hit the mail box.

None of our other cars do this. You stop on the driveway, the cars stay put in any weather excepy solid ice. The Jeep worries me because if I get caught in snow on a hill and have to stop, will I slide backwards? Is it because the Wrangler is so light? For reference, I have 2012, 2-door Sport Wrangler. Bought new Duratracs last year, and Jeep has < 4K miles on it.
Because in 2wd your front tires are free and the rear is very light, Thus do not have the extra weight of the motor and stuff on the locked wheels like you will in a front wheel drive.
04-18-2013 09:56 PM
h22lude
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Originally Posted by st1264 View Post

My driveway, yes. When I stand at the foot of my driveway, my garage floor is at eye level. That's about 5.5 feet of elevation (short driveway too). That incline will make you slide on wet snow. 5" of powder, you are fine. Getting up it in 4x4 or fwd isn't a problem, it's when you park it.
My driveway is exactly the same. It is a little longer than a car and when I stand at the bottom the garage might be over my head. I did slide a lot going down but never when already at a stop. My GF's Camry is terrible in the snow and she never slid either. Hopefully it never happens because I would hit a fire hydrant lol

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Originally Posted by rics1997 View Post

It did well in powered snow but was real bad in wet snow to be snow rated. I also had trouble on inclines in slushy mud. Went back to MT/R's because of this and a non snow rated tire did better in the exact same situation and a whole lot better in mud. I live back off the main road on a old logging road. It is up and down for a half mile to my house. I needed tires that could make it to my house no matter the weather and the Duratrac's just couldn't do it. I know many love them but I wasn't one of them after having tried several other tires that did better. I shouldn't have to get out as a disabled veteran and lower my tire pressure just to get home then have to air up again.
Well Duratrac's might not be what I want then. I need good snow tires living in New England.
04-18-2013 09:41 PM
rics1997
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Originally Posted by h22lude View Post
So your Jeep slide down a snowy hill when stopped with Duratrac's too?

I thought Duratrac's were good in snow. I need good snow tires. The stock Rubi ones are great.

It did well in powered snow but was real bad in wet snow to be snow rated. I also had trouble on inclines in slushy mud. Went back to MT/R's because of this and a non snow rated tire did better in the exact same situation and a whole lot better in mud. I live back off the main road on a old logging road. It is up and down for a half mile to my house. I needed tires that could make it to my house no matter the weather and the Duratrac's just couldn't do it. I know many love them but I wasn't one of them after having tried several other tires that did better. I shouldn't have to get out as a disabled veteran and lower my tire pressure just to get home then have to air up again.
04-18-2013 09:39 PM
st1264
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Originally Posted by h22lude View Post
So your Jeep slide down a snowy hill when stopped with Duratrac's too?

I thought Duratrac's were good in snow. I need good snow tires. The stock Rubi ones are great.
My driveway, yes. When I stand at the foot of my driveway, my garage floor is at eye level. That's about 5.5 feet of elevation (short driveway too). That incline will make you slide on wet snow. 5" of powder, you are fine. Getting up it in 4x4 or fwd isn't a problem, it's when you park it.
04-18-2013 09:33 PM
st1264
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Originally Posted by rics1997 View Post
He is not talking about solid ice, he is talking about wet snow and his other vehicles are not sliding on it. He said he would understand if it was solid ice but it wasn't. I had the same issue with my old set of Duratrac's and was very unhappy because of it. Good thing is I got $600 for my Duratrac's to get better tires
It's about the incline... wet snow and ice are almost the same when it's steep. Winter tires or whatever you run. I've slid down my driveway many times. I've had friends park in my driveway and their vehicle started sliding... so take it for what you will. It's not the tires, it's the incline.
04-18-2013 09:33 PM
h22lude
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Originally Posted by rics1997 View Post
He is not talking about solid ice, he is talking about wet snow and his other vehicles are not sliding on it. He said he would understand if it was solid ice but it wasn't. I had the same issue with my old set of Duratrac's and was very unhappy because of it. Good thing is I got $600 for my Duratrac's to get better tires
So your Jeep slide down a snowy hill when stopped with Duratrac's too?

I thought Duratrac's were good in snow. I need good snow tires. The stock Rubi ones are great.
04-18-2013 09:31 PM
h22lude
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Originally Posted by st1264 View Post

You've never heard of a vehicle sliding down an icy inclined driveway? Even with snow tires how do you get traction on solid ice? Put a vehicle on my driveway when it has an inch of wet snow on it (ice-forget about it), put it in park and it'll slide down. Whether it's an Audi or a Hummer. It's physics. Depending on how steep it is, it'll happen. Stood on my icy driveway in Feb... fell on my butt. Steep and slippery is a bad combination.

Not sure what my angle is, but I've slid down it many times. When I had a 2wd pickup, it was an adventure to say the least.
I know the physics behind it. Snow reduces friction and makes it easier to slide. I've just personally never heard of someone's car sliding after it already came to a complete stop. Obviously I've slide down a snowy hill when trying to stop but once I stopped completely I never slide after.
04-18-2013 09:27 PM
rics1997 He is not talking about solid ice, he is talking about wet snow and his other vehicles are not sliding on it. He said he would understand if it was solid ice but it wasn't. I had the same issue with my old set of Duratrac's and was very unhappy because of it. Good thing is I got $600 for my Duratrac's to get better tires
04-18-2013 09:19 PM
st1264
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Originally Posted by h22lude View Post
I have never heard of this happening in any vehicle. Once the vehicle is stopped on a hill, it shouldn't move no matter what tire you have on it.
You've never heard of a vehicle sliding down an icy inclined driveway? Even with snow tires how do you get traction on solid ice? Put a vehicle on my driveway when it has an inch of wet snow on it (ice-forget about it), put it in park and it'll slide down. Whether it's an Audi or a Hummer. It's physics. Depending on how steep it is, it'll happen. Stood on my icy driveway in Feb... fell on my butt. Steep and slippery is a bad combination.

Not sure what my angle is, but I've slid down it many times. When I had a 2wd pickup, it was an adventure to say the least.
04-18-2013 09:14 PM
rics1997
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Originally Posted by Ottis View Post
We have a sloped concrete driveway, not hugely sloped (we live in a neighborhood), but more than mild. We've had four cars in this house, and in the Denver winters I have never had this happen until this 2012 Sport: When I back out of the garage after a snow of a few inches or less, and I brake on the driveway to be sure the garage door goes down in front of me, the Jeep slides down the driveway! Two days ago, after a couple inches of wet snow, I tried to make it up the driveway (in 2WD) and stopped briefly and the Jeep started sliding down while in drive. I couldn't get back up without a running start (again, 2WD).

I have to be very careful because we have a brick mailbox at the foot of the driveway, and the Jeep is parked on that side. So if I turn the wheel and it slides an an angle I could hit the mail box.

None of our other cars do this. You stop on the driveway, the cars stay put in any weather excepy solid ice. The Jeep worries me because if I get caught in snow on a hill and have to stop, will I slide backwards? Is it because the Wrangler is so light? For reference, I have 2012, 2-door Sport Wrangler. Bought new Duratracs last year, and Jeep has < 4K miles on it.

I know many here love Duratrac's and claim they do well in snow but I also had issues with sliding in wet snow. I ended up getting new tires for this reason and a couple more. I slid all over the place in wet snow. Did well in powered snow but was all over the road on a little steep inclines when the snow was slushy.
04-18-2013 09:02 PM
SilverSport Since when does the Duratrac come in the stock size of 255-75/17?
04-18-2013 08:58 PM
coniferhi One other thing. This has happened to me regardless of tires (brand,style or size,except never had Blizzaks) although they are always non-studded when it happens. In winter I run the skinniest tallest studded tires I can buy but this year I put my summer tires on early. Big mistake. Took me several runs last night to get it in the garage.
04-18-2013 08:48 PM
coniferhi I live up in Conifer, CO and currently have a TJ with a JK on the way next week. I have had YJ's and CJ's before. Living up in the hills I experience this every year especially in the spring regardless of the model Jeep. Starting up my snow covered driveway with a running start, if I don't make it to the top and loose momentum I often slide 60 feet back down to the road. My 76 Ford High Boy will do the same thing sometimes just backing out of the garage. I have always thought it had to do with so little weight over the rear wheels of my 2 door Jeeps and the pickup. My wifes Xterra does not do this even at a full stop on the drive. I think it happens more to me in spring is due to the snow having more moisture and turning to ice quickly under the tires with even the slightest of sliding friction. It hardly ever happens in deep winter when the snow is dry and crunchy. All my Jeeps have had winches to assist getting up the driveway after heavy spring snows. This also happens more often when there is very little snow on the driveways surface. It's good that the snow piles are 4 feet high on both sides of the driveway as I pinball down backwards the walls slow me down!
04-18-2013 08:08 PM
ztman Dura Tracs are great tires. They have the open lugs so there is not as much contact material with the ground surface. Cant imagine it would be a compound problem, how much air pressure do you have in the tires? I only had one car slide on the pavement, and that was because there was a coating of ice.
04-18-2013 07:55 PM
h22lude I have never heard of this happening in any vehicle. Once the vehicle is stopped on a hill, it shouldn't move no matter what tire you have on it.

Getting up the driveway in 2WD is another issue. Just throw it in 4WD but I don't think that is what you are worried about. 2WD or 4WD, it won't make a difference once you are stopped. I have stock rubi tires on and have a pretty steep driveway. My Jeep didn't budge an inch this winter.

Let us know what you find out. I would be shocked if tires make a difference. Duratracs are supposed to be good tires in the snow.

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Originally Posted by onetraveller View Post
I love my JK, but there are better choices for driving on winter roads. A Subaru or Audi is far more sure footed on the highway.

Mike
My last two cars were 2007 and 2010 Audi A4s with Quattro. Loved both cars and will probably go back to Audi when I don't want to use the Jeep as my DD anymore. Before this Jeep I found the Audis to be the best cars in the snow hands down. I find the Jeep to do just as well maybe even a little better going up hills. If we are talking about sliding out while driving the Audi will probably be better because it is a car and easier to control. Normal driving in snow I found them both to be very comparable.
04-18-2013 12:53 PM
st1264 2wd RWD is horrible on snow. FWD is better in that particular situation. I had a 2wd posi Dakota and like you I have an inclined driveway. There were times that I couldn't get into my driveway! Spinning, almost going sideways... I swore off 2wd pickups forever. I went to an AWD Quadradrive GC and it was like heaven. Went up my driveway that was a sheet of ice. Didn't realize until I stepped out and fell on my arse!

Unfortunately, you need your 4wd on if you want traction on snow and ice on an incline. Believe me, I know. Not sure how good the traction control is... haven't really had much snow in the last 6 weeks since I've owned my JK. When in doubt, throw it in 4wd.
04-18-2013 12:45 PM
Scott2373 I have used Nokian tires exclusively for the past 6 or so years, ever since I discovered them. It's the best tire I've ever ran and I probably won't use anything else. How can you go wrong with a company that holds the majority of patents on tires. Not to mention, they're a Finnish company. I tend to believe they know a thing or two about snow and inclement weather in Finland.
04-18-2013 12:24 PM
michiganadam I usually park mine half buried in a snow pile.
04-18-2013 09:56 AM
Ottis
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Originally Posted by Mike- View Post
Or a Jeep Liberty!
Haven't checked ... it has been very cold and snowy ... but did the free oil change and check at the dealer a few months ago and all seemed well. It also slid once at the end of last year, but I had chalked it up to an anomaly. Now it is every day, as we keep getting these 2-5 inch snow falls (and more at times).
04-18-2013 09:46 AM
Ottis
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Originally Posted by BManz View Post
Has to be a problem with your particular set of tires. I've got "skinny" 265/70-17 C-load Duratracs and my JK sticks like a cat's claws on carpet in snow and almost as good on steep inclines -- about the same as a friend's Audi on Blizzaks (his opinion after driving my JK). Even on drives where it's terribly slippery for me to walk on my JK sticks fine on Duratracs.

Maybe you got a bad/old set of Duratracs where the tire compound has been weathered dry so they stay hard when it's cold? In -5F weather, my Duratracs are very flexible; I'd even say they still feel "sticky".
I bought my Duratracs new from Discount Tire, online. Seems unlikely they would be bad, but I suppose it is possible. This issue really bothers me because if I can't trust the Jeep in winter, there goes half the reason I bought it.
04-18-2013 08:27 AM
BManz
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Originally Posted by Ottis View Post
We have a sloped concrete driveway, not hugely sloped (we live in a neighborhood), but more than mild. We've had four cars in this house, and in the Denver winters I have never had this happen until this 2012 Sport: When I back out of the garage after a snow of a few inches or less, and I brake on the driveway to be sure the garage door goes down in front of me, the Jeep slides down the driveway!

Bought new Duratracs last year, and Jeep has < 4K miles on it.
Has to be a problem with your particular set of tires. I've got "skinny" 265/70-17 C-load Duratracs and my JK sticks like a cat's claws on carpet in snow and almost as good on steep inclines -- about the same as a friend's Audi on Blizzaks (his opinion after driving my JK). Even on drives where it's terribly slippery for me to walk on my JK sticks fine on Duratracs.

Maybe you got a bad/old set of Duratracs where the tire compound has been weathered dry so they stay hard when it's cold? In -5F weather, my Duratracs are very flexible; I'd even say they still feel "sticky".
04-18-2013 07:27 AM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by asianhulk View Post
Subaru? You would think your from Alaska! J/K I think I will stick with the stock tire size for a bit and get some studs to run in the winter
Winter is exactly why i bought a jk. with stock tires its pretty amazing in the winter. i like parralel parking with one side on top of a snow bank so im not in the road...


The op needs an anchor.
04-18-2013 07:14 AM
asianhulk
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Originally Posted by onetraveller View Post
I love my JK, but there are better choices for driving on winter roads. A Subaru or Audi is far more sure footed on the highway.

Mike
Subaru? You would think your from Alaska! J/K I think I will stick with the stock tire size for a bit and get some studs to run in the winter
04-18-2013 07:13 AM
Binx How much pressure is in the tires?
04-18-2013 02:30 AM
Mike-
Or ...

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Originally Posted by onetraveller View Post
Ok, if you are using stock size (255) Duratracs then it is probably just a combination of the light weight and wet, slippery snow. My 4 door if not very impressive in the snow in 2 wheel drive. I'm running BF Goodrich ATs with studs.

You might find investing in some dedicated winter tires worthwhile. Something like Blizzaks that are meant for snow and ice.

I love my JK, but there are better choices for driving on winter roads. A Subaru or Audi is far more sure footed on the highway.

Mike
Or a Jeep Liberty!
04-18-2013 01:51 AM
COLOUJK
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Originally Posted by Jeeps_and_Boats View Post
At the risk of a slight hijack, if this tire sipping thing is so awesome, why are all tires not coming from the factory pre-sipped?
The sipping that tire shops do adds additional sipes. It is a process that just cannot be done on a large scale without a huge increase in price.
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